Guest GreatOne Report post Posted August 10, 2004 There's one positive about next week. Now you won't have to pointlessly bitch (Rudo) about Benoit being made a "weak" champ. Hmmmm, what was it Foley said about Goldberg the infamous 'that'll put butts in seats/fingerpoke of DOOM!~' night about Goldberg? Making him look stupid? Let's see who really looks stupid here: Not only HHH, for running from a retard but also your next world champion and the 16-time world champ (granted he always looks stupid anymore but work with me here) taking turns getting beat up by the retard. Benoit loses face a little for taking the Pedigree while handing out a 1-on-3 ass-whooping but being that he had just beaten all their asses he's protected some here. I guess the Rock/Billy Gunn example isn't clear enough here. Let me try putting HHH/MARK JINDRAK at Armageddon last year, they wouldn't have needed to hard sell THAT? Same thing here, HHH gets his first non-gimmick/non-title/non-main event program on RAW and it's with EUGENE? Of course it needs a hard sell because, let's face it Nick deserves all the props in the world he should get for making Eugene work, but who the hell's trying to watch him in the top program on RAW? So bitch and whine about Vince stupidly pushing EUGENE and not HHH trying to 'be the star of the show'. Then again, admit it. If Shelton Benjamin weren't injured and that were HIM instead of Eugene out there those of you continuing to whine'd be blowing your loads. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Exslade ZX 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2004 ...... EDIT- WOOO! 1,000 post ..and yea, I'm kinda late. But back to the point of my post. ...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goatfish Report post Posted August 10, 2004 Let me preface what i'm about to say by stating that I don't believe that Benoit has been made to look that weak. But I disagree that Triple H/Eugene needs the hard sell. If they are seriously thinking about putting the title on Randy Orton, whether it is at SS or down the line before Wrestlemania, then they needed to put the focus on him and Benoit. While Randy Orton has gone from non-heat to garnering a decent amount of heat over the past 6 months, it is still hard to buy that he could defeat a Benoit, or a Triple H for that matter. If they are going to run with a Triple H/Orton main event at Wrestlemania, if they want to make that match mean something, they have to start the seeds now. Maybe something like Triple H going for that Pedigree, and Orton stopping him to deliver an RKO before the save. Something to show how much Orton wants the title, how much he needs the title, to both legitimize his bragging to both the fans, and to himself. Triple H will always get the most heat from the crowd, because he's been built so strongly throughout the years. Eugene will get a lot of sympathy just because of the character, and what he/Triple H/Regal have put into this feud. Basically, the Orton/Benoit angle feels slapped together, and needed something more then it got tonight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted August 10, 2004 See Benoit's always been in the 'underdog' role as a face headliner, so his kind of booking more often than not suits him. And if he's continuing to feud with Orton after Slam then dropping the title doesn't matter. The last person people expect to see HHH 'showing ass' against is Eugene, put Mark Jindrak in this role eight months ago and you're saying WTF is this shit? So he has nothing to gain here, and if this is going to be the Mania feud then you need to put him in a position where he is. Orton is lacking right now, but he's at least 'feuding' with the current champ, not a comedy wrestler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dazed Report post Posted August 10, 2004 ...... EDIT- WOOO! 1,000 post ..and yea, I'm kinda late. But back to the point of my post. ...... Not any more. Please don't make silly posts like this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2004 Eugene is one of the most over faces on RAW, comedy wrestler or not. It's HHH grabbing onto a "hot" property and trying to get heat from it. It's not a very hard concept to grasp. HHH has gotten the most heat in the longest time from this angle (specifically his beat-down of Regal). Besides, how do you explain HHH and HBK headlining over Benoit/Kane? I suppose it is just a coincidence that HHH happens to be the #1 focus with or without the belt. Yeah, that's it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted August 10, 2004 in the end HHH will beat Eugene and continue a feud with him just to keep him from the world title hunt. Now comes the interesting bit of news, rumors are if Orton wins the title and benoit will be screwed out by Edge making a feud between Edge and Benoit for the IC champ. So outside the useless IC reign of HHH in 2000 only to give it to jeff hardy, there has never been a good position for former Main eventers of HHH.... Benoit, Jericho etc now stuck fighting for the Ic title with no written away of reelevating themselves back to the main event spot. HHH on the other hand has a guranteed main event spot that will most likely supercede Orton if he wins his world title match, HHH will get top main event positioning while Orton defends the world title about the time the crowds go to the snackbar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted August 10, 2004 how do you explain HHH and HBK headlining over Benoit/Kane? You catch where I said 'non-gimmick'? Besides Kane and headlining spot at this point are about as much of a match as Sable and talented. How do you explain Shawn/Taker HIAC headlining? Eugene is one of the most over faces on RAW, comedy wrestler or not So was Rikishi, point? Hey, like I alluded to 50 min or so ago you can now focus your bitching to Orton getting the shaft! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2004 One of these days I'm going to research and count how many times Benoit faced a member of Evolution during his title reign. Maybe this could be the official thread for that. We could make a game out of it~! I'm thinking 70% +/- 5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted August 10, 2004 in the end HHH will beat Eugene and continue a feud with him just to keep him from the world title hunt. Now comes the interesting bit of news, rumors are if Orton wins the title and benoit will be screwed out by Edge making a feud between Edge and Benoit for the IC champ. So outside the useless IC reign of HHH in 2000 only to give it to jeff hardy, there has never been a good position for former Main eventers of HHH.... Benoit, Jericho etc now stuck fighting for the Ic title with no written away of reelevating themselves back to the main event spot. HHH on the other hand has a guranteed main event spot that will most likely supercede Orton if he wins his world title match, HHH will get top main event positioning while Orton defends the world title about the time the crowds go to the snackbar. One problem, who's 'Randy O' gonna defend the title against? Returning Mark Henry? Bring back Gangrel? Shelton? Regal? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted August 10, 2004 One of these days I'm going to research and count how many times Benoit faced a member of Evolution during his title reign. Maybe this could be the official thread for that. We could make a game out of it~! I'm thinking 70% +/- 5. Considering that Evolution are pretty much the only credible heels on RAW there supposed to be a problem with it? Hell wasn't everybody crying foul about how Benoit/Edge at Vengeance would have killed both guys? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2004 So was Rikishi, point? HHH was affiliated with him too ("Who hit Austin") and completely stole his heat (whatever he had) out of that (strike 1) The point is, Eugene was hot and many wrestlers could have benefited from it - HHH wanted it all for himself to -once again- remind us that he is EVIL and we should BOO him. You catch where I said 'non-gimmick'? Besides Kane and headlining spot at this point are about as much of a match as Sable and talented. No, I didn't catch that. Mainly because it was irrelevant. HHH's feuds have been the constant focus of RAW, so saying the focus here is because of _Eugene_ is retarded. Catch the pun? (strike 2) How do you explain Shawn/Taker HIAC headlining? "September 22, 1997: On the day of the Raw taping at Madison Square Garden, McMahon told Bret Hart flat out that they were going to intentionally breach his contract because they couldn’t afford the deal. He told a shocked Hart that he should go to World Championship Wrestling and make whatever deal he could with that group." http://www.brethart.com/montreal/facts.asp Strike 3! Yoooooou're OUT! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2004 Considering that Evolution are pretty much the only credible heels on RAW there supposed to be a problem with it? Yes. 1. It's repetitive. VERY repetitive. 2. By not allowing anyone else to be involved, it ensures that Evolution will stay the only credible heels on RAW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted August 10, 2004 Rikishi never had heat, and HHH pretty much saved the angle. The Austin/HHH blow off at NWO was also better than any Rikishi match ever. So... you lose, Rudo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fook Report post Posted August 10, 2004 One of these days I'm going to research and count how many times Benoit faced a member of Evolution during his title reign. Maybe this could be the official thread for that. We could make a game out of it~! I'm thinking 70% +/- 5. Off the top of my head: w/Eugene vs Coach/Cade vs HBK (HHH interfered) w/Edge vs La Resistance w/Edge vs La Resistance/Kane w/Edge vs La Resistance vs Eugene (Evolution interfered) I think other than those he's faced at least one member of Evolution in every match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2004 The Austin/HHH blow off at NWO was also better than any Rikishi match ever. Yes, because that's such a complimenting thing to say about the match (which I think is overrated and generally dull, IMO). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2004 Does anyone else want to field this? I mean, I've been getting some nice ones over the plate for a while and it's rude of me to take all the easy ones. (Whether or not Rikishi had heat is irrelevant. Fact is, a feud with Super Hot Returning Steve Austin could have yielded fantastic results for anyone. It was always intended for HHH to go against Austin but they booked themselves into a corner by making it a point to say "HHH didn't drive the car"... So they had him "behind it". They never seriously pushed heel Rikishi and gave him a bogus excuse that took part of the focus off himself and put it some on The Rock, which -much like Evolution being the "only credible heels on RAW"- is a set-up for failure. I think that Rikishi was a bad pick and did a poor job with the poor writing he was given, but even at the time you could tell that "Rikishi vs. Austin" wasn't going to be a huge thing - and it wasn't. It wasn't supposed to be. HHH/Austin was.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kardo 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2004 Am I the only person here who bought Rikishi as a credible heel around that time and hoped he got that super evil heel push? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2004 The only notable thing about Rikishis heel turn was that he mentioned Hulk Hogan - which rarely ever happened at the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted August 10, 2004 Rikishi might have worked as a heel if he had stopped wearing the thong and trying to give his opponents stink-faces. Of course, I thought turning him was a bad idea in the first place. He was VERY over as a babyface and was a decent worker at the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jester 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2004 f they are seriously thinking about putting the title on Randy Orton, whether it is at SS or down the line before Wrestlemania, then they needed to put the focus on him and Benoit. While Randy Orton has gone from non-heat to garnering a decent amount of heat over the past 6 months, it is still hard to buy that he could defeat a Benoit, or a Triple H for that matter. Exactly. Right now the focus on HHH is not just stealing heat from Benoit, it's stealing heat from Orton. If they are serious about doing something with Orton, he got to be the one showing the drive, plotting the plots, and basically starting to become a threat to HHH's leadership. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2004 Benoit looked pretty good in the match, I must say. But Orton sort of looked like a dolt. I mean really, him, a number one contender, and Flair couldn't take on Eugene? I really feel that more focus had to go on Orton/Benoit because, well, they are the main event (hopefully) and Randy has to appear to be a threat. If this happened last week (as in the HHH/Eugene feud being the focus), fine. But the World Title feud shouldn't be secondary. Orton shouldn't be secondary to HHH. Simple as that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CronoT Report post Posted August 10, 2004 Am I the only person here who bought Rikishi as a credible heel around that time and hoped he got that super evil heel push? If you noticed, back then, they were trying to make Rakishi into a new Yokozuna, but it just never fit right, unfortunately. Also, I think Triple H has "had his hands in far too many pies" for a long time. The examples of that are myriad, so I don't think I need to go into that. P.S.-Nik, seriously, man, what you did to that guy's post count was really messed up.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2004 Benoit is a fucking pussy. He got punked out by THE GUY WHO ISN'T EVEN IN THE MAIN EVENT AGAINST HIM. And then THAT GUY got beat up by a retard. The same retard that has saved benoit's last 2 title matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JRE Report post Posted August 10, 2004 Ya know...technically, Mankind was a retard: A retard who could be violent and kick ass, just like Eugene. It's quite mind numbing to sit back and analyze "WHAT DOES THE CASUAL FAN THINK OF CHRIS BENOIT AFTER THIS MATCH" as a good portion of this board does after every Raw. I don't think anyone thinks Benoit is a pussy for needing help against 3 guys after a long match- really. Casual does not equal stupid. And before I hear the "But Eugene could take them all with no problem" comeback- Eugene had just ran into the these matches where he helped Benoit, he was fresh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted August 10, 2004 Yeah, what was the fucking point of the pedigree? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JRE Report post Posted August 10, 2004 Yeah, what was the fucking point of the pedigree? All of the following are reasons for HHH to pedigree Chris Benoit: 1. Hurt his enemy 2. Weaken enemy for friend Orton 3. Look strong and oppurtunistic 4. Hint at an Evolution beatdown- securing a louder reaction to Eugene's save And why wasn't it Randy RKOing Benoit instead...he was still hurt from the Crossface. There ya go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2004 Benoit is a fucking pussy. He got punked out by THE GUY WHO ISN'T EVEN IN THE MAIN EVENT AGAINST HIM. And then THAT GUY got beat up by a retard. The same retard that has saved benoit's last 2 title matches. I hope you're joking. You do know that Benoit was single-handedly beating the two top heels on Raw in a handicap match, even with the interference of Flair and then won by DQ. If anyone looked like pussies, it was HHH and Orton. As for the "retard", he's the most over face on Raw, and he's pretty much being pushed as the #2 face. He's not a comedy act right now, because he's got the most serious story on either brand. He's more a Foley-type sympathetic simpleton, than he is a comedy act at this point. He's perfectly capable of making the save. And tonight was a good example of why Benoit doesn't get the mic too much. "I'm gonna get you two SOBs." I mean who says that? It would have been nice if they put a little more effort into the Benoit/Orton storyline, especially as far as putting Orton over goes, but I really don't see anything too wrong with the Summerslam build. Oh, one more thing. If they're really planning a Benoit/Edge feud for the IC Title, they're retarded. You can't take someone right off of a long world title reign like that, and throw them right back to that level. Personally, I think this is one of those rumors that's completely unfounded, and we'll see Benoit getting his rematch with Orton and Unforgiven, and maybe eventually feuding with Edge after Edge drops the belt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
humongous2002 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2004 All i know is that WWE management is already planning on a HHH/Orton wrestlemania XXI main event for the big gold belt, no mention of Benoit or even the retard Eugene. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BHK 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2004 Benoit isn't even mentioned on the WWE.com main page with the Raw results. The diva search is mentioned twice and gets two videos. This makes the smark in me want to cry. I try hard to believe that since Benoit is the champion, they're making him the focus of the show. However, when it's so blatantly obvious that they're not, it just....it makes me sad. Of ocurse, if they put the title on Orton, it makes me wonder if he will get the same "overshawed by Triple H" treatment. Why? Because if Orton does win the title, they're going to have to find a way to keep HHH away from him for a while so he'll go into other programs (Edge and Benjeman I'm assuming) So, the real question is, if Orton wins, does he gets screwed over by Triple H also? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
