MUGAtaker vs. Orlando Jordan

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Is this worth watching the replay on Saturday at 8 for? They liked it A LOT at DVDVR, and with so many people here bitching at MUGATaker I'd like to see if he could pull a good TV match out of the rookie.

[tekcop 0]

I like "Mugataker" (what exactly does "muga" mean? I believe it has something to do with Tatsumi Fujinami, right?). I like Orlando Jordon. I expected to like this. It was good, really good. Made me with I could tape UPN good. I missed Cena/Taker from a while back but this was almost as good as that sounds.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I like "Mugataker" (what exactly does "muga" mean? I believe it has something to do with Tatsumi Fujinami, right?). I like Orlando Jordon. I expected to like this. It was good, really good. Made me with I could tape UPN good. I missed Cena/Taker from a while back but this was almost as good as that sounds.

Ask DEAN, it's his pet name.

[The Mandarin 0]

I like "Mugataker" (what exactly does "muga" mean? I believe it has something to do with Tatsumi Fujinami, right?). I like Orlando Jordon. I expected to like this. It was good, really good. Made me with I could tape UPN good. I missed Cena/Taker from a while back but this was almost as good as that sounds.

Ask DEAN, it's his pet name.

DEAN's columns are written in some sort of code I can't decipher.

[tekcop 0]

I like "Mugataker" (what exactly does "muga" mean? I believe it has something to do with Tatsumi Fujinami, right?). I like Orlando Jordon. I expected to like this. It was good, really good. Made me with I could tape UPN good. I missed Cena/Taker from a while back but this was almost as good as that sounds.

Ask DEAN, it's his pet name.

I doubt I'd actually get a straight answer. The only thing I know about it is from hearing somewhere that Fujinami created the style and the Osamu Nishimura is suppossed to be continuing the legacy or something like that...

 

Edit: From Dory Funk Jr.'s site:

 

The wrestlers in Muga practice "Traditional Style Wrestling." The Muga style of wrestling in

Japan has had a recent explosion in popularity. In a recent story in the Observer, Dave Meltzer

says, "Nishimura works this old total psychology underdog babyface style using a lot of basic

wrestling and it worked here. When Nishimura hits the old moves like the abdominal stretch or

the octopus, whether it's the nostalgia recognition or what, the place popped big. The finish

saw Nishimura do the abdominal stretch and dropped into a lateral banana split for the pin.

Great crowd heat."

 

So... like basic old-school 70's style wrestling? That's sounds about right.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

All you need to know is... MUGATaker owns.

[Vyce 0]

I must say that I think the Taker love exhibited by the DVDVR boys is just entirely misplaced.

[tekcop 0]

All you need to know is... MUGATaker owns.

Exactly. He's had, what?, maybe two bad matches since Vengance last year--I believe that's when he started his hot streak. Survivor Series with Vince and Wrestlemania with Kane both sucked, but that was about it.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I must say that I think the Taker love exhibited by the DVDVR boys is just entirely misplaced.

But I think the Taker hate exhibited here is misplaced.

 

Seriously guys, he had an awesome return at the Rumble; he a really cool match with Big Show where he beat him with a Dragon Sleeper; he had a really good match at WrestleMania XIX with BIG SHOW and A-TRAIN; KICKED ASS at Vengeance with Cena; had a kickass TV match with Angle for the strap and it got no respect from some.

 

How hard is it just to admit... yeah this guy is out busting his ass, in better shape then he was in all of 2000 and 2001, putting on good to REALLY goodmatches with NOTHING sometimes. AND when's the last time you've heard about Taker in some politics bullshit? All accounts point to him jobbing this month. All accounts point to him being aligned for programs with SUPER GREEN rookies, and has he complained?

 

Give the big guy a break.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

***he had an awesome return at the Rumble***

 

Actually, the 2003 Royal Rumble is genuinely considered "awesome" until the Hoss Squad (Ape Train, Batista, Brock, Kane, Taker) started dominating and all entered at once.

 

***he a really cool match with Big Show where he beat him with a Dragon Sleeper***

 

The No Way Out 2003 was not good. It wasn't embarassing to watch or super-slow...but it wasn't a "good" match. It was still slow and muddled by big-guy power offense and rests.

 

***he had a really good match at WrestleMania XIX with Show and A-Train***

 

Eh, wasn't bad, I'll give you that. Decent.

 

***KICKED ASS at Vengeance with Cena***

 

Never seen it.

 

***had a kickass TV match with Angle for the strap and it got no respect from some.***

 

I saw this match and liked it.

 

Still, Taker had wrestled HOW many times this year? And he is MAIN EVENTING SummerSlam. I disagree. Although, I think JBL/Taker could rock if the two "locker room leaders" just go all out, throw lots of stiff offense in, ELIMINATE THE REST HOLDS and tear each other apart. Doubtful this happens. "Workrate" Taker went out the door with the "Mixed Martial Arts Submission Experimenting" Taker of '03. SOR-RY.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

***he had an awesome return at the Rumble***

 

Actually, the 2003 Royal Rumble is genuinely considered "awesome" until the Hoss Squad (Ape Train, Batista, Brock, Kane, Taker) started dominating and all entered at once.

 

***he a really cool match with Big Show where he beat him with a Dragon Sleeper***

 

The No Way Out 2003 was not good.  It wasn't embarassing to watch or super-slow...but it wasn't a "good" match.  It was still slow and muddled by big-guy power offense and rests.

 

***he had a really good match at WrestleMania XIX with Show and A-Train***

 

Eh, wasn't bad, I'll give you that.  Decent.

 

***KICKED ASS at Vengeance with Cena***

 

Never seen it.

 

***had a kickass TV match with Angle for the strap and it got no respect from some.***

 

I saw this match and liked it.

 

Still, Taker had wrestled HOW many times this year?  And he is MAIN EVENTING SummerSlam.  I disagree.  Although, I think JBL/Taker could rock if the two "locker room leaders" just go all out, throw lots of stiff offense in, ELIMINATE THE REST HOLDS and tear each other apart.  Doubtful this happens.  "Workrate" Taker went out the door with the "Mixed Martial Arts Submission Experimenting" Taker of '03.  SOR-RY.

1. Taker didn't bring it down any at all though. If you watch it again, you'll see he has the hottest segment of the Rumble when stares down Brock Lesnar. It's the little things that Taker does so well (that so few other workers do besides Benoit) that make his return great. The "God damn, I can't believe he got me" look after Brock tosses him is priceless. It's also kinda funny since Taker gets thrown out of seemingly every Rumble he's been in by bullshit means, almost as if he thought he had it this year, and then... they got him again.

 

2. No, that match was worked at the same pace the HHH/Benoit match was on RAW, and I can forgive it for pace. Plus, the offense is NOT muddled. I'll concede that it is not worked at a fast pace, but he looks really good in that match and everything he does comes off pretty crisp. This is a match some here were christening as a DUD, and I'd say it isn't a bad match. It certainly sets the tone for his comeback and the changes he's made in his arsenal (Besides, when was the last time you saw a WWE match end with a DRAGON SLEEPER?).

 

3. I don't think workrate Taker has gone anywhere. His match with Cena recently was pretty FUCKING cool if I don't say so myself, and I can't wait to see Orlando and Taker go at it.

 

Plus, remember, while he is main eventing SS... he's being fed to JBL. FED to BRADSHAW.

 

Some politics player, huh?

[tekcop 0]

You weren't quoting me, but I'll defend Taker anyday.

 

 

***he had an awesome return at the Rumble***

 

Actually, the 2003 Royal Rumble is genuinely considered "awesome" until the Hoss Squad (Ape Train, Batista, Brock, Kane, Taker) started dominating and all entered at once.

You lose a million points for using that pathetic name.

 

***he a really cool match with Big Show where he beat him with a Dragon Sleeper***

 

The No Way Out 2003 was not good.  It wasn't embarassing to watch or super-slow...but it wasn't a "good" match.  It was still slow and muddled by big-guy power offense and rests.

Haven't seen... can't comment.

 

***he had a really good match at WrestleMania XIX with Show and A-Train***

 

Eh, wasn't bad, I'll give you that.  Decent.

I actaully forgot about this match. It wasn't reall good, but it was good.

 

***KICKED ASS at Vengeance with Cena***

 

Never seen it.

It was great. Really great. Cena/Taker never sucks.

 

***had a kickass TV match with Angle for the strap and it got no respect from some.***

 

I saw this match and liked it.

My WWE MOTY last year. Just really, really awesome.

 

Still, Taker had wrestled HOW many times this year?  And he is MAIN EVENTING SummerSlam.  I disagree.  Although, I think JBL/Taker could rock if the two "locker room leaders" just go all out, throw lots of stiff offense in, ELIMINATE THE REST HOLDS and tear each other apart.  Doubtful this happens.  "Workrate" Taker went out the door with the "Mixed Martial Arts Submission Experimenting" Taker of '03.  SOR-RY.

Taker/JBL will be great. It just has to. As for the "MMA" Taker, his becoming the deadman hasn't changed his wrestling style much at all.

[Guest Ray]

Taker vs Jordan was just average. Nothing too special.

[tekcop 0]

Taker vs Jordan was just average. Nothing too special.

You liked Orton/Edge from whatever PPV that was. I no long respect your opinion when it comes to wrestling. I used to, but no more.

[Guest Ray]

Taker vs Jordan was just average. Nothing too special.

You liked Orton/Edge from whatever PPV that was. I no long respect your opinion when it comes to wrestling. I used to, but no more.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

well.. it was surprising that Taker used a Downward Spiral and all.

 

Although wrestling in a tank top just doesn't seem to do it when it comes to the task of "Bringing back 1991 Taker"

[MARTYEWR 0]

I must say that I think the Taker love exhibited by the DVDVR boys is just entirely misplaced.

Nah. Ever since Callaway started working MMA styles into his matches, the DVDVR guys stopped being hard on him.

[humongous2002 0]

It was a boring match, I wasn't into it just like the crowd at the arena.

[Aero 0]

***he had an awesome return at the Rumble***

 

Actually, the 2003 Royal Rumble is genuinely considered "awesome" until the Hoss Squad (Ape Train, Batista, Brock, Kane, Taker) started dominating and all entered at once.

I don't understand all the hate for the 2003 Rumble finish. Just because some of the guys mentioned are hosses at the finish, the match ending automatically sucks? First of all, Brock is hardly a hoss. It's not like anyone expected anyone else except Brock to win anyway. Personally, I thought the ending was booked fine. RVD & Kane team up and eliminate A-Train. Rather than just go with the usual clothesline or backdrop elimination, Kane tricks RVD into the gorilla press elimination, leaving the Final Four of Taker, Brock, Kane, & Batista. Unless I'm missing something, I can't find anything wrong with the actual match at all except for a Tombstone that didn't look great. They played off the Brock-Taker HIAC match well by having Brock & Taker get into a staredown twice. It makes sense since this was the first time they were in contact since the Smackdown after HIAC. Taker clotheslines Batista out and tosses Kane within a minute. As Zsasz already explained, Taker is basically screwed yet again in the Rumble. The only change that I would have made would have been to keep Jericho in there until the ending.

[Guest Tjhe CyNick]

I respect Taker a great deal. You cant be on top for 14 years without having some kind of talent. I know he's no Angle in the ring, but when he's put in a big match he usually delivers an entertaining match.

 

I dont like going through every match and say this was "3.5 stars and that was 2.75 stars". Personally I think thats annoying, but hey each to their own.

 

I will say I thought that TV match with Angle last year was maybe the best Taker match Ive ever seen. The thing I really liked about it was that he sold a ton in that match. Over the years we're used to seeing him no-sell a fair amount and play superman. However in that match he really sold the Ankle Lock and it made Angle look really good. I especially loved the post-match deal where he sollapsed backstage. I thought Taker was very valuable at that point because like I said we haven't seen him be vulnerable very much and seeing it really made him a sympathetic character and helped put over the heels in the ring with him.

 

I'm not a huge fan of going back to the Deadman, but I can see why it was done. He didn't eat OJ alive last night, so that was good, and all the house show reports are fairly positive towards his matches with JBL, so I'm sure they'll deliver on Sunday.

[Dark Age 0]

I respect Taker a great deal. You cant be on top for 14 years without having some kind of talent.

 

Dusty Rhodes.

 

I will say I thought that TV match with Angle last year was maybe the best Taker match Ive ever seen.

 

His match with Bret at One Night Only was much better. It's well worth checking out.

 

Over the years we're used to seeing him no-sell a fair amount and play superman. However in that match he really sold the Ankle Lock and it made Angle look really good. I especially loved the post-match deal where he sollapsed backstage. I thought Taker was very valuable at that point because like I said we haven't seen him be vulnerable very much and seeing it really made him a sympathetic character and helped put over the heels in the ring with him.

 

And yet he STILL wouldn't tap out. Would it have hurt Taker to just job to Angle? And note how, on a broken ankle, Taker still seemingly had the match won before Brock interfered. Anyway, that's just pointless bitching since the match was a year ago. Erm, yeah.

[Guest Trivia247]

its funny how time sorta dazes peoples perceptions

 

Undertaker wasn't on top since day one. He had his first world title run last only what a week? Only because Hogan didn't want his run to die..

 

Taker then never saw another Main event run till what rumble 94 where he was stuffed in the coffee and we were treated to an almost quasi shakespearan dribble of his dying declariation..

 

he has been mostly a upper cardsmen most of his career, only a world champion a few times.

 

on the paper he was always a solid uppercarder character.

with few Main event spikes.

[Fro 0]

You don't have to be in the top match of the card every PPV or hold the World title to be a main eventer. Anyone who says Taker hasn't been a main eventer since 1994 is ridiclous. He could get a title shot at any time or get handed the belt and be a credible champion. The reason why he doesn't have the belt is because he doesn't need the belt to be over and sell tickets and Tapes/DVDs/T-Shirts/Foam Hands.

 

The Undertaker's not my favorite wrestler but he's in good shape, works hard and tries, and uses new moves, and he's been having a pretty good run lately. He certainly isn't a talentless hoss... he's had way too many good and even great matches for that.

[Guest Tjhe CyNick]

Anyone who draws money on any kind of regular basis has talent, so I would say Dusty is fine. Money is the ONLY thing that matters when talking about talent.

 

As fare Taker being on top, no he wasn't always "the" top guy, but basically since day one he's at least been a semi main event player. And off and on in that period he's been a main event guy, so I consider that being on top.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Plus, remember, while he is main eventing SS... he's being fed to JBL. FED to BRADSHAW.

 

Some politics player, huh?

 

Well there's always those last minute politics.

 

*crosses his fingers

 

Come on, Taker, you know you want to be a 5 time WWE Champion and have just one more final run with the belt.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Anybody who thinks Undertaker is being "fed" to Bradshaw doesn't know Undertaker very well. When was the last time he was "fed" to anybody?

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I respect Taker a great deal. You cant be on top for 14 years without having some kind of talent.

 

Dusty Rhodes.

 

I will say I thought that TV match with Angle last year was maybe the best Taker match Ive ever seen.

 

His match with Bret at One Night Only was much better. It's well worth checking out.

 

Over the years we're used to seeing him no-sell a fair amount and play superman. However in that match he really sold the Ankle Lock and it made Angle look really good. I especially loved the post-match deal where he sollapsed backstage. I thought Taker was very valuable at that point because like I said we haven't seen him be vulnerable very much and seeing it really made him a sympathetic character and helped put over the heels in the ring with him.

 

And yet he STILL wouldn't tap out. Would it have hurt Taker to just job to Angle? And note how, on a broken ankle, Taker still seemingly had the match won before Brock interfered. Anyway, that's just pointless bitching since the match was a year ago. Erm, yeah.

To be fair, the entire story was built around the fact that Taker WOULD NEVER TAP OUT TO ANGLE AGAIN, and for Angle to put on the Ankle Lock about 5 times (and thus, make his finisher look really weak) was his own fault.

 

Taker used a pretty wide variety of submission stuff, but it seems like all Angle knows anymore is the AnkleLock.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

The only change that I would have made would have been to keep Jericho in there until the ending.

Hell yes.

[Guest Staravenger]

Anybody who thinks Undertaker is being "fed" to Bradshaw doesn't know Undertaker very well. When was the last time he was "fed" to anybody?

He's feuding with JOHN F'N HEIDENREICH after Summerslam. Either they have a shit load of confidence in UT/Heidenreich main eventing No Mercy, or Taker is jobbing his ass on a silver platter to JBL. I hope to GOD it's the latter.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

I feel this place is not big enough for two huge Taker marks.

 

I really liked the match, Zsasz, and not for the obvious reasons. It seems, as of late, that Taker utilises a new move of sorts in all of his recent matches. This was hardly the technical marvel, but considering I haven't seen anything from Jordan that would convince me he isn't just an average grappler, Taker worked and carried the match really well.

 

The ending was balls, and an obvious reference to the uncertainty involved in deciding who to put over or who to job, but everything before it was decent.

 

Heidenreich on the horizon scares me.

 

UYI