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[Guest Black Lightning]

Statement: WWE, and Raw in particular, would be in a better position right now if it had been Chris Jericho instead of Chris Benoit who scored the tap-outs at WM20 and Backlash

REBUTTAL: As long as the champion's name wasn't 'Triple H,' 'Shawn Michaels,' or 'Eugene,' he was bound to be overshadowed regardless.

 

STATEMENT: If the fans were given a reason to care, the women (specifically, the ones that wrestle) could get over.

[CanadianChick 0]

STATEMENT: If the fans were given a reason to care, the women (specifically, the ones that wrestle) could get over.

 

True. But one can say that for just about anybody or any division.

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Christian is the best (not necc. a good thing) at working WWE style. Rob Van Dam is the worst.

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STATEMENT: If the fans were given a reason to care, the women (specifically, the ones that wrestle) could get over.

Rebuttal: False, when it all boils down to it, the women are still really lousy workers, it's only a mtter of time before that Trish Stratus vs Jacky Gayda match from RAW a few years back becomes the norm for the women.

[CanadianChick 0]

STATEMENT:

 

Christian is the best (not necc. a good thing) at working WWE style. Rob Van Dam is the worst.

Rebuttal: I say Orton is the best at working WWE style. At least Orton makes his restholds semi-interesting. Christian's are boring.

 

I'm not sure who's the worst, but I don't know if it's RVD. He sucks at WWE main event style, but he's fine for midcard style. He works to his moves that pop the crowd, similiar to how Cena does.

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STATEMENT: Edge will win a world title by the end of 2005 despite fan reaction or his in-ring/mic work.

[BorneAgain 0]

STATEMENT: Edge will turn heel soon, but he will not join Evolution.

[spman 0]

STATEMENT: Edge will win a world title by the end of 2005 despite fan reaction or his in-ring/mic work.

Rebuttal: False, unless he does a 360 degree turn and totally renovates his look, style, and gimmick, he's going to continue to get X-Pac heat to the point where it will affect his push.

[CanadianChick 0]

STATEMENT: Edge will turn heel soon, but he will not join Evolution.

True. And it'll be for the better.

 

And unless people are turning their TV's off when Edge is on TV, he isn't getting "X-Pac heat" (with, IMO, is the most overused saying in the IWC. If someone the internet doesn't like is getting jeered, then they're getting "X-Pac heat". Ridiculous).

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Statement: WWE, and Raw in particular, would be in a better position right now if it had been Chris Jericho instead of Chris Benoit who scored the tap-outs at WM20 and Backlash

Rebuttal: Tough to say, because Benoit had a ready made storyline with it. Jericho would have been good in the same position, but the dynamic of the angle would have been totally different.

Jericho probably would've been the better choice given the wrestlers involved, since in the past, he's never really been able to overcome HHH or HBK. That'd have been a better story than Benoit's nonsensical jump to Raw after the Rumble. Jericho's also more capable of carrying the show due to his mic skills and connection with the crowd. I really don't think it would've made much of a difference than what we actually got, though.

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I am dissapointed in you all for the lack of Booker T love.

 

Meh, I've never been a Booker T fan. He frankly bores me to tears in the ring. I don't really mind that he's not a main eventer.

 

He sucks this year, I'll give you that. Booker, prior to Mania XIX, was all kinds of awesome, though, IMO.

 

If Booker is having a bad year this year, how does he deserve the belt?

 

And in 2003, he was just another wrestler HHH squashed like RVD and Kane.

 

Give him someone OTHER than John Cena to work with. Maybe he's still because he's been working with Cena for more than three months. And we've still got another two months of that feud. Let him face ANYONE other than Cena (or RVD), and goodness will proceed. Give him Rey, Eddie or Haas and you'll get results.

 

And Booker wasn't like RVD or Kane. Booker actually got a good match out of Triple H. In fact, he was part of Triple H's best match between his return and Dec 2003 (before the Shawn match). Not only that, the Mania match was a success entirely thanks to Booker. H is blown up in about three minutes, and is sucking wind for the rest of the match. Booker bumps and sells his ass off to get something out of Trips, and he succeeds.

 

Booker T: The Tag Team Wrestler is fine because it hides his weakness of doing 20 minute singles matches. Booker T: The Singles Wrestler is too limited in the ring, and doesn't have anything in his wrestling arsenal that wows people. (The spin-a-rooni is not a move!)

 

Again, no. Booker's singles run in WWE is very underrated. When he first arrived (keep in mind he had to get used to the bigger ring, and learn 'WWE style') he had a great series of tv matches with Angle. His match with Rocky at SS01 is another very underrated bout. He had a really good match with Jericho just after his debut as well. Then nothing happened for a while. In 2002 he had an AWESOME SD match with Austin, a good match with Rocky, and a decent one with Trips. Then he had a fun match with Edge at Mania. He got a better match out of Big Show at Vengeance 2002 than anyone had in a long time. He had some good tv matches with Benoit and Guerrero, a series of solid bouts with the Un-Americans. Heck, he got something decent out of Test. Like I said, at Mania he carried Triple H to his best match in two years. And then he was killed dead by the Triple H feud. I enjoyed his matches with Christian (IC Title win and the UK PPV).

 

His WCW stuff was really good. He could get better matches out of Scott Steiner than anyone. The best of seven with Benoit is awesome (but I'm sure Benoit carried Booker in those), his matches with Jeff Jarrett were really good. He carried Shane Douglas to the best match of his WCW run. He constantly had very good matches on WCW's ppvs, his match with Bret Hart on Nitro in 98 (with Booker going over) FUCKING RULED ALL and remains one of the best tv matches I've ever seen, and it's one of of, if not THE, MOTY for 98. Superbrawl 98 features 2 awesome Booker matches, against Rick Martel and Perry Saturn, two completely different wrestlers, with Booker wrestling two completely different matches. Souled Out 98, he had an even BETTER match with Martel. Uncensored 98 he had a very good match with Eddie. Other matches with Benoit ruled, not just the BO7, plus he had some damn fine matches with Fit Finlay. Good match with Bret at BATB 98. He had some really good - great tv matches in 98. Mainly when TV champ. He had a very good match with DISCO INFERNO at Superbrawl 99. He got a good match out of KEVIN NASH in 2000. Oh, and he had a great math with Kanyon at BATB 00.

 

In closing, Booker T rules you all!

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Booker T is, indeed, quite bad. The guy needs to retire soon. People shit on Cena's in ring work, but Booker T is just as bad. If I wanted to see 450 different versions of kicks, I would watch a Bruce Lee movie. And at least Cena has mic skills, something Booker has been pretty awful at since he arrived in WWE.

 

The guy is too old and bland for my taste.

[Brett Favre 0]

STATEMENT: Had Chris Jericho been in the WWF's New Generation era, he would have been a 5 time World Champ and be in the position an HBK or Undertaker has in the company.

[BorneAgain 0]

I am dissapointed in you all for the lack of Booker T love.

 

Meh, I've never been a Booker T fan. He frankly bores me to tears in the ring. I don't really mind that he's not a main eventer.

 

He sucks this year, I'll give you that. Booker, prior to Mania XIX, was all kinds of awesome, though, IMO.

 

If Booker is having a bad year this year, how does he deserve the belt?

 

And in 2003, he was just another wrestler HHH squashed like RVD and Kane.

 

Give him someone OTHER than John Cena to work with. Maybe he's still because he's been working with Cena for more than three months. And we've still got another two months of that feud. Let him face ANYONE other than Cena (or RVD), and goodness will proceed. Give him Rey, Eddie or Haas and you'll get results.

 

And Booker wasn't like RVD or Kane. Booker actually got a good match out of Triple H. In fact, he was part of Triple H's best match between his return and Dec 2003 (before the Shawn match). Not only that, the Mania match was a success entirely thanks to Booker. H is blown up in about three minutes, and is sucking wind for the rest of the match. Booker bumps and sells his ass off to get something out of Trips, and he succeeds.

 

Booker T: The Tag Team Wrestler is fine because it hides his weakness of doing 20 minute singles matches. Booker T: The Singles Wrestler is too limited in the ring, and doesn't have anything in his wrestling arsenal that wows people. (The spin-a-rooni is not a move!)

 

Again, no. Booker's singles run in WWE is very underrated. When he first arrived (keep in mind he had to get used to the bigger ring, and learn 'WWE style') he had a great series of tv matches with Angle. His match with Rocky at SS01 is another very underrated bout. He had a really good match with Jericho just after his debut as well. Then nothing happened for a while. In 2002 he had an AWESOME SD match with Austin, a good match with Rocky, and a decent one with Trips. Then he had a fun match with Edge at Mania. He got a better match out of Big Show at Vengeance 2002 than anyone had in a long time. He had some good tv matches with Benoit and Guerrero, a series of solid bouts with the Un-Americans. Heck, he got something decent out of Test. Like I said, at Mania he carried Triple H to his best match in two years. And then he was killed dead by the Triple H feud. I enjoyed his matches with Christian (IC Title win and the UK PPV).

 

His WCW stuff was really good. He could get better matches out of Scott Steiner than anyone. The best of seven with Benoit is awesome (but I'm sure Benoit carried Booker in those), his matches with Jeff Jarrett were really good. He carried Shane Douglas to the best match of his WCW run. He constantly had very good matches on WCW's ppvs, his match with Bret Hart on Nitro in 98 (with Booker going over) FUCKING RULED ALL and remains one of the best tv matches I've ever seen, and it's one of of, if not THE, MOTY for 98. Superbrawl 98 features 2 awesome Booker matches, against Rick Martel and Perry Saturn, two completely different wrestlers, with Booker wrestling two completely different matches. Souled Out 98, he had an even BETTER match with Martel. Uncensored 98 he had a very good match with Eddie. Other matches with Benoit ruled, not just the BO7, plus he had some damn fine matches with Fit Finlay. Good match with Bret at BATB 98. He had some really good - great tv matches in 98. Mainly when TV champ. He had a very good match with DISCO INFERNO at Superbrawl 99. He got a good match out of KEVIN NASH in 2000. Oh, and he had a great math with Kanyon at BATB 00.

 

In closing, Booker T rules you all!

Some good points Dark Age. I just thought I mention that the everytime Booker's gotten some momentum, (His alliance days, The tag run with Goldust, the feud with HHH) he's been screwed over. Hell, the Tag Team Title loss to Regal and Storm practically killed the tag divison.

[Dark Age 0]

Booker T is, indeed, quite bad. The guy needs to retire soon. People shit on Cena's in ring work, but Booker T is just as bad. If I wanted to see 450 different versions of kicks, I would watch a Bruce Lee movie. And at least Cena has mic skills, something Booker has been pretty awful at since he arrived in WWE.

 

The guy is too old and bland for my taste.

Well I just posted my feelings on the subject. But yeah, he's old now, and he's kinda depressing to watch. I hope they give him one last run with the likes of Benoit, Eddie, Jericho, etc. I think a lot of it stems down to the fact that Booker just doesn't care anymore.

[Guest Black Lightning]

And unless people are turning their TV's off when Edge is on TV, he isn't getting "X-Pac heat" (with, IMO, is the most overused saying in the IWC. If someone the internet doesn't like is getting jeered, then they're getting "X-Pac heat". Ridiculous).

Agreed whole-heartedly. It seems if someone doesn't like a wrestler, they're heatless and should be promptly depushed. If even a relatively small portion of the internet doesn't like a wrestler, they get X-Pac heat and should be promptly depushed and fired. And it gets progressively more ludicrous by the day. Which leads me to...

 

STATEMENT: Edge is highly underrated by the internet.

 

Also, I would agree with Dark Age about Booker.

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And at least Cena has mic skills, something Booker has been pretty awful at since he arrived in WWE.

His skits with Goldust were one of the few things to look forward to on Raw in 2002, so I would hardly call his mic work awful.

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^ I'm with the Booker love too.

 

Rebuttal: JBL fucking rules. He cuts good-great promos and his wrestling is stiff-and-beautiful. That's more than Yokozuna, Diesel, Sid, and Vince McMahon could offer.

 

False. Bradshaw does not fucking rule. He brings nothing to the table except "Haha, I'm richer than you!" or "OMG~!! Mexicans are EEEEEEEEEEEVIL!" He is not a draw, him being a carbon copy of Ted Dibiase / Tiger Ali does not help, he does not put on good matches, is at best US title material, and is the most undeserving of the WWE title as he was best known for being a jobber (mostly a tag team jobber) for the past 8 years prior to Mega Push To Gold.

 

Statement: Smackdown needs Hulk Hogan.

 

Rebuttal: No it doesn't. He'd just overshadow everyone else, and it wouldn't pay off by giving anyone a rub. He'd get big pops, which would feed his ego, which would end up in Hogan pushing for a big spot, and ultimately walking out over some sort of disagreement w/ Vince.

 

Statement: I believe what he was trying to say is have Hulk Hogan on the show to get pops and ratings in a non-wrestling role position like Austin as the co-GM / Sheriff was for RAW.

 

Statement: Batista is better than Randy Orton in every possible way.

 

Dave has been the total package of what a wrestler should be, while it took months for Randy Orton to evolve into what he is now........transitional champ. Now that Randy has been excommunicate from the stable it is time for Dave to shine as the pinnicle of what the Hoss should be.........the ruler and master of the world!

 

True. Dave Batista should be World Heavyweight Champion instead of Randy Orton and should be treated like RAW's Brock Lesnar.

 

Statement: A Kurt Angle vs. Undertaker match for the WWE title at Wrestlemania 21 would do absolutely no good for the WWE, as it does nothing to build for the future, and is instead the product of two guys with big egos.

 

True, either John Cena or Eddie Guerrero should be in SD's WM XXI main event or both.

 

Statement #1: Rodney Mack is too underated I think. Sure, he's not too good but he was only called up from OVW about 4 months before his injury. He's just a late bloomer like Batista (who's been on the main roster since May 2002, but was injured for a good chunk of 2003)

 

True. I've always been a Rodney Mack fan except for Al Snow incident. He's not THAT bad of a wrestler and would only get better if he could have decent mic skills which is what is hurting him the most IMO.

[Dark Age 0]

Some good points Dark Age. I just thought I mention that the everytime Booker's gotten some momentum, (His alliance days, The tag run with Goldust, the feud with HHH) he's been screwed over. Hell, the Tag Team Title loss to Regal and Storm practically killed the tag divison.

Indeed. Like I said, he was going along fine in the Alliance days, tearing it up with Angle, Rocky and Jericho. So what do they do? Why, have Taker squash him in a stinker. Good job WWE. He was over (and getting face pops as a heel), having some really good matches, and hen they cut the legs from underneath him.

 

He and Booker get insanely over. They chase the tag belts for months, have one of the best storylines in recent memory, and it's really an all-around feel good story. They have some of the funniest segments in WWE history, and have some damn good matches (the Christmas match with Jericho/Christian was awesome). So what do they do? Job them to a boring, un-over, going nowhere team. I applaud WWE.

 

And then they feud him with H. The monster heel who's beaten everyone. He's facing the tired veteran, the guy who's got one last shot at greatness. A guy the fans can relate to, a guy who the fans love. The guy who has never got a fair share, and here he is, getting his shot on the biggest show of the year. He got it by sheer hard work. They have Triple H mock Booker, disrespect Booker. And then the pay off? Triple H beats the babyface AGAIN, and Booker's heat is GONE. Great job WWE. And, of course, they do this after Booker completely out wrestles Triple H. After he carried Triple H on his back for 20 minutes. But this means nothing.

[Brett Favre 0]

STATEMENT: Edge is highly underrated by the internet.

True. Just like everyone else, most of his great matches have been with the likes of Eddie Guerrero and Kurt Angle. He's also had very good matches with Randy Orton and has had classic tag matches in the past.

[Dark Age 0]

True, either John Cena or Eddie Guerrero should be in SD's WM XXI main event or both.

 

Eddie vs Angle part three is the key. You could have Cean end Taker's winning run. Not like he needs it, but it would give him a big win without having him in the main event.

 

STATEMENT: Edge is highly underrated by the internet.

 

Indeed he is.

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True, either John Cena or Eddie Guerrero should be in SD's WM XXI main event or both.

 

Eddie vs Angle part three is the key.

Please, spare me. Eddie/Angle is about as stale as The Dudleyz, and Eddie's character is quite boring now as well. Angle/Cena would be infinitely better.

 

False. Bradshaw does not fucking rule. He brings nothing to the table except "Haha, I'm richer than you!" or "OMG~!! Mexicans are EEEEEEEEEEEVIL!" He is not a draw, him being a carbon copy of Ted Dibiase / Tiger Ali does not help, he does not put on good matches, is at best US title material, and is the most undeserving of the WWE title as he was best known for being a jobber (mostly a tag team jobber) for the past 8 years prior to Mega Push To Gold.

 

Indeed. He is also slow as fuck in the ring and seems like an asshole in "real life".

 

STATEMENT: Edge is highly underrated by the internet.

 

False. Everyone agrees that Edge used to be good. Most people think that he is bland now, basically because he is. Although I think his in-ring work is underrated.

[Brett Favre 0]

STATEMENT: Batista will win the World Title before John Cena does.

[JoeDirt 0]

STATEMENT: Batista will win the World Title before John Cena does.

No way. Batista has HHH and Randy Orton in his way, he won't be winning it any time soon. While Taker/Angle may be SD's plan for now for WM21 and the WWE title picture, those guys are injury prone. I'd say Cena will have won the WWE title by Summerslam 2005, and I doubt Batista will even have a serious world title feud by that point.

 

Statement: A "Generation Next" type heel stable either on RAW or Smackdown could really help some lower card guys who need some sort of push to get their careers going.

[Guest Brian]

Statement: If Jericho would have won the world title from Triple H during the infamous RAW phantom title switch, the WWE would be in better shape then it is today.

[JoeDirt 0]

Statement: If Jericho would have won the world title from Triple H during the infamous RAW phantom title switch, the WWE would be in better shape then it is today.

I don't think the WWE would be much different than it is today. That wouldn't have changed everything in history. HHH would still be a political player, Vince would still love him, etc. One title match doesn't effect history for the next four years after it.

[Brett Favre 0]

Statement: If Jericho would have won the world title from Triple H during the infamous RAW phantom title switch, the WWE would be in better shape then it is today.

True. If Jericho wins the title, there would have been new main eventers built. If new main eventers were built, right now Smackdown! wouldn't be in such horrible shape.

[JoeDirt 0]

Statement: If Jericho would have won the world title from Triple H during the infamous RAW phantom title switch, the WWE would be in better shape then it is today.

True. If Jericho wins the title, there would have been new main eventers built. If new main eventers were built, right now Smackdown! wouldn't be in such horrible shape.

The stupid treatment of Jericho as unified champ leading up to jobbing the title to HHH at WM18 was far worse for the WWE than the Trips/Jericho match in April 2000.

 

Statement: Val Venis deserves much better than his current role on the RAW roster.

[Guest Brian]

Statement: If Jericho would have won the world title from Triple H during the infamous RAW phantom title switch, the WWE would be in better shape then it is today.

I don't think the WWE would be much different than it is today. That wouldn't have changed everything in history. HHH would still be a political player, Vince would still love him, etc. One title match doesn't effect history for the next four years after it.

Jericho was as credible and popular at that point as he's been at any other point, and it would have built a bridge to a bunch of guys right below main event level (Angle, Benoit). How much deeper would the main event scene had gotten? Would losing the title and putting over someone in a real fashion have changed Triple H's view?

[Brett Favre 0]

Statement: If Jericho would have won the world title from Triple H during the infamous RAW phantom title switch, the WWE would be in better shape then it is today.

True. If Jericho wins the title, there would have been new main eventers built. If new main eventers were built, right now Smackdown! wouldn't be in such horrible shape.

The stupid treatment of Jericho as unified champ leading up to jobbing the title to HHH at WM18 was far worse for the WWE than the Trips/Jericho match in April 2000.

Yes it was far worse, but if Jericho did win the title during the phanton title switch, and had he stayed champ for a good five months, new faces would have shown up at the Main Event scene and the WrestleMania X8 disaster probably would not have happened. The real question is, would Jericho have been a transitional champ or a long term champ. If he was a long term champ had the switch not happened, than I think Smackdown! wouldn't be so bad right now.