Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted August 23, 2004 STATEMENT: Edge will win a world title by the end of 2005 despite fan reaction or his in-ring/mic work. Rebuttal: False, unless he does a 360 degree turn and totally renovates his look, style, and gimmick, he's going to continue to get X-Pac heat to the point where it will affect his push. Rebuttal: Edge's charicter is boring, but is far from getting X-pac heat. He is just in a fued where the other guy is more over. Edge will be World Champ soon because of his in-ring work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Age 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 True, either John Cena or Eddie Guerrero should be in SD's WM XXI main event or both. Eddie vs Angle part three is the key. Please, spare me. Eddie/Angle is about as stale as The Dudleyz, and Eddie's character is quite boring now as well. Angle/Cena would be infinitely better. It would work with proper booking. Have Angle "break Eddie's ankle" and let Eddie take a month off. It'll let him heal his injuries, get his head together and he'll come back more over than ever. Have Angle constantly avoid Eddie, getting different heels to face him each month (Chavo, Show, JBL), with Eddie running through them all. Kurt wins the title, Eddie wins the Rumble, and it's on at Mania. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 ^ Rebuttal: I enjoyed Angle / Guerrero @ WM XX more than I did with Angle / Cena @ No Mercy last year so I feel Angle / Guerrero III would be a better choice since they would put on a better match IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 ^ Rebuttal: I enjoyed Angle / Guerrero @ WM XX than I did more with Angle / Cena @ No Mercy last year so I feel Angle / Guerrero III would be a better choice since they would put on a better match IMO. Rebuttal: Sometimes the better match isn't always the right decision. The company needs to build for the future. Randy Orton is RAW. Cena needs to be Smackdown! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Angle-plex 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 ^ Rebuttal: I enjoyed Angle / Guerrero @ WM XX than I did more with Angle / Cena @ No Mercy last year so I feel Angle / Guerrero III would be a better choice since they would put on a better match IMO. Angle/Eddie III would be a better match, but it wouldn't make the Wrestlemania 21 title match feel special like it should. Angle beating Eddie or Eddie beating Angle in their third match just wouldn't be that special type of moment Wrestlemania needs to have. Cena going over for the title would be historic. The better match isn't always the better choice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Age 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 But, they can get by without Cena as champ. Blow Eddie/Angle off at WM, and have Cena beat Taker. Then, Cena is the top challenger for Eddie after Mania. After he finally beats Kurt of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BorneAgain 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 ^ Rebuttal: I enjoyed Angle / Guerrero @ WM XX than I did more with Angle / Cena @ No Mercy last year so I feel Angle / Guerrero III would be a better choice since they would put on a better match IMO. Rebuttal: Sometimes the better match isn't always the right decision. The company needs to build for the future. Randy Orton is RAW. Cena needs to be Smackdown! If Cena/Angle happens, does that mean we'll see Eddie/Taker as the other big Smackdown match, cause that's the only thing I can see. Even Vince isn't foolish enough to put Bradshaw near the top of the card, and the only other upper midcard wrestlers I can see near the main event are Big Show, Booker, and RVD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Age 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 ^ I'd say the other way round. Cena/Eddie, Taker/Kurt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Angle-plex 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 But, they can get by without Cena as champ. Blow Eddie/Angle off at WM, and have Cena beat Taker. Then, Cena is the top challenger for Eddie after Mania. After he finally beats Kurt of course. But Eddie already beat Kurt at Wrestlemania last year. Doing the exact same thing two years in a row, especially at the biggest show of the year, wouldn't particularly be exciting to watch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 The WWE hasn't had one near 5 Star Match all year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Age 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 But this time, Eddie's challenging for the belt. He can get the big title win at Mania. It'd feel more special than this year. Eddie climbs back to the top of the mountain. You could have Kurt say Eddie has never beat him fair, whereas Kurt has. Then Eddie does it at Mania. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Age 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 The WWE hasn't had one near 5 Star Match all year. I, personally, loved Eddie/Brock. I dunno about ***** though. Triple threat and Eddie/Kurt ruled as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BorneAgain 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 The WWE hasn't had one near 5 Star Match all year. I thought the Rumble got close. Between ****1/2 and ***** I thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Australian Pride 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 Statement: William Regal should be pushed into a headline position on Raw, and Charlie Haas should be elevated on SD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hektik 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 Statement: Chris Benoit and Chris Jericho should be on Smackdown. Shawn Michaels and Randy Orton are going to be the super faces anyway, so there is no reason for Benoit and Jericho to be there. Moving them to Smackdown would help in taking away the B show feel of SD. Plus, with those two on SD there will be no reason for me to watch Raw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
what 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 ^ Rebuttal: I enjoyed Angle / Guerrero @ WM XX than I did more with Angle / Cena @ No Mercy last year so I feel Angle / Guerrero III would be a better choice since they would put on a better match IMO. Rebuttal: Sometimes the better match isn't always the right decision. The company needs to build for the future. Randy Orton is RAW. Cena needs to be Smackdown! Yeah but Cena is terrible. In the ring and on the mic, he is just god awful. Orton is green on the mic but has improved so much in a short period of time. Cena hasn't improved. He's gotten worse and needs to improve a great deal before he gets the World title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 Rebuttal: Cena may be stale to us, but crowds still love him. If he injects a little more vitality into his character and gets a more high-profile angle, he's money. Statement: Smackdown right now is even more boring and uneventful than it was right after the split, prior to the SD6 era. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted August 23, 2004 Can't believe the Venis comment got ignored. Val Venis should go over Edge for the IC Title. He's a top-notch worker who is almost a clean slate due to the utter mis-use of him over the past three years. STATEMENT: The next person to criticize Bret Hart will be deemed as shit, no matter how good they've been viewed leading up to it. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
what 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 Rebuttal: Cena may be stale to us, but crowds still love him. If he injects a little more vitality into his character and gets a more high-profile angle, he's money. The crowd still loves Rikishi too. It really doesn't mean shit. He's resting on his good heel mic work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spman 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 Val Venis is stuck in a perpetual limbo where it's still 1998. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
what 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 Statement: Chris Benoit and Chris Jericho should be on Smackdown. Shawn Michaels and Randy Orton are going to be the super faces anyway, so there is no reason for Benoit and Jericho to be there. Moving them to Smackdown would help in taking away the B show feel of SD. Plus, with those two on SD there will be no reason for me to watch Raw. Rebuttal: Shawn Michaels should go to SmackDown. Job him out to Christian, Edge and Kane and then send him over to SmackDown post WrestleMania for a fresh start and dream matches with Guerrero and Angle. Benoit just switched. It'd be dumb to switch him again. Statement: Eddie Guerrero's title reign was botched much worse than the Benoit title reign. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dids Report post Posted August 23, 2004 Statements: A-Train is one of the most underrated workers in the WWE. At this point, the WWE doesn't have enough talent to run Smackdown as a viable seperate brand. A year ago the brand extension was a great idea, but with Brock, Austin, Goldberg, the Rock leaving, and Angle being limited in-ring, they don't have the star power to make two shows work. The WWE's best opportunity to survive in the next 5 years is to sign and build their shows around indy talent, because their home grown workers are simply not good enough to draw once the main eventers now are too old to work with any consitancy. Only Orton strikes me as somebody who will be able to carry a show in 5 years. Side-statement. Having Randy, Eddie and Benoit as champions in recent months gave the WWE an opportunity to move away from a "hoss=good" mentality that could be used to make stars out of people like Paul London (or AJ Styles and Chris Daniels if they were smart). Thoughts on previous statements. Hogan serves the WWE no purpose at this point. He's too horrible in-ring and old to put anybody over credibly, but his characters rep is too inflated to job to anybody. JBL and Bautista are both becoming overrated by folks at TSM because standards have dropped so low that their style of work is better than what we're seeing from folks like Cena and RVD, who rely far too much on signature moves and high spots. Jericho is very overrated right now. Both on the mic and in ring. His in ring work is totally formulaic and his mic work is sophmoric. He needs a heel turn post, haste. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted August 23, 2004 Statement: Eddie Guerrero's title reign was botched much worse than the Benoit title reign. Personally, I like both reigns and thought they were both pulled off well. Benoit's climb to the belt was better, but I think Eddie had the better reign. STATEMENT: WWE is better than the IWC gives it credit for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dids Report post Posted August 23, 2004 Another statement: If I never saw HBK wrestler again, I'd be OK with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 At this point, the WWE doesn't have enough talent to run Smackdown as a viable seperate brand. A year ago the brand extension was a great idea, but with Brock, Austin, Goldberg, the Rock leaving, and Angle being limited in-ring, they don't have the star power to make two shows work. Rebuttal: They do, but they just don't want to send anybody over to help and expect the show to survive on green rookies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hektik 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 Rebuttal: Shawn Michaels should go to SmackDown. Job him out to Christian, Edge and Kane and then send him over to SmackDown post WrestleMania for a fresh start and dream matches with Guerrero and Angle. Benoit just switched. It'd be dumb to switch him again. No, keep Michaels on Raw where I don't have to see him. That way they can have it be Orton and Michaels against Evolution without any pesky "outsiders" involved. With Benoit going back to Smackdown, he and Jericho can get on the mic and say they switched looking for real competition on the A show. Benoit can say that he originally went to Raw because he knew winning the Raw World title would be easier. You know, the stuff they did earlier this year to put over Raw and bury Smackdown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 Statement: The WWE's television ratings and live gates will be lower a year from now than they are currently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 Statement: Val Venis deserves much better than his current role on the RAW roster True, because let's face it: no one deserves a Porn Star gimmick. I'm all for everybody being unique, but Venis is one guy which I prefer as just Sean Morely. Another statement: If I never saw HBK wrestler again, I'd be OK with that. Rebuttal: I like Shawn, so I disagree. I'd like to see him work with different people though (read: not Triple H!). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 Another statement: If I never saw HBK wrestler again, I'd be OK with that. Rebuttal: I disagree, I'd like to see Shawn work with Jericho, Benoit, or Flair again. I'd also like to see Michaels work a program with Angle or The Rock. I have no problem with HBK being around if he's not in the title picture (and if he is, he should fucking get the belt already after the last 5 times he was denied, that shit gets annoying.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Angle-plex 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 Statement: The Eugene character as we know him will be dead and gone by the end of the year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
