Charges against Kobe to be dropped

[cabbageboy 0]

"Just because a woman has had mutliple sexual partners in her life (which does not make her a "slut," btw; that's just a patriarchal and chauvinistic pejorative) does not mean she wants to have sex with everyone who comes along."

 

Allegedly this bimbo was nailing 3 guys over the course of 2 days or something....by nearly any standard that is a slut. In addition, one of these encounters was with someone not too long after the Kobe incident, and that seriously damages her case. She was so upset after being "raped" that she went out and fucked someone the next day?

[Guest MikeSC]

Thing is she was clearly a slut

"Sluts" can be raped just like anyone else can. Just because a woman has had mutliple sexual partners in her life (which does not make her a "slut," btw; that's just a patriarchal and chauvinistic pejorative) does not mean she wants to have sex with everyone who comes along. No still means no.

 

I'm not saying Kobe raped her, mind you, since I don't know and really don't care. But if she said no and he did it anyway, that's rape, and it doesn't matter how many men she's slept with before.

 

Obviously, if she had sex with someone else after Kobe the same night, that damages her case; rape is an emotional trauma even moreso than a physical one, and a woman who was raped would not go out and sleep with someone that same night.

 

I've read somewhere like 40% of rape accusations end up being dropped.

If that's true, I imagine it's because the victim usually ends up being the one on trial in rape cases. The defense will demean her for her sexual history -- which is no one's business but hers -- and go for other cheap tactics like the way she was dressed. Any defendant in a court case should be able to defend himself of the charges against him, but when that turns into attacks on someone who's already a victim, then a line has been crossed.

I asked it once, and I'll ask it again: Why is HER lifestyle out of bounds?

 

This is a man's LIFE we're discussing here. He should be allowed to use that to defend himself. If she screwed several guys in the same time frame --- that should be noted and she should be forced to PROVE that her injuries, whatever they may be, were caused by the defendant.

 

It's not like rape has never been falsely accused before. In this case, the victim, apparently, was Kobe --- who has lost millions based on one psychotic loon's incredibly questionable testimony.

 

And if she continues with the civil suit, he ought to file defamation of character suits tomorrow. Screw her.

-=Mike

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Screw her.

Uh, Mike. He did.

 

That's how all this trouble began...

[Guest Vitamin X]

It's not like rape has never been falsely accused before. In this case, the victim, apparently, was Kobe --- who has lost millions based on one psychotic loon's incredibly questionable testimony.

 

And if she continues with the civil suit, he ought to file defamation of character suits tomorrow. Screw her.

-=Mike

Not sure if you keep up with the NBA a whole lot Mike, but Kobe actually signed a HUGE deal with the Lakers, so he may have lost money paying for lawyer/court fees and such, but I sure as hell wouldn't say he's lost anything. I think the good faith the Lakers placed in him being innocent of the charges regardless also helps.

 

But I do agree with the defamation of character suit, since it's done nothing but make him look like a bad guy and a rapist. Shit, I'd sue the whole lot of those shows that have given him the appearance of being a rapist when this case was clearly not even strong enough.

[Guest MikeSC]

It's not like rape has never been falsely accused before. In this case, the victim, apparently, was Kobe --- who has lost millions based on one psychotic loon's incredibly questionable testimony.

 

And if she continues with the civil suit, he ought to file defamation of character suits tomorrow. Screw her.

        -=Mike

Not sure if you keep up with the NBA a whole lot Mike, but Kobe actually signed a HUGE deal with the Lakers, so he may have lost money paying for lawyer/court fees and such, but I sure as hell wouldn't say he's lost anything. I think the good faith the Lakers placed in him being innocent of the charges regardless also helps.

 

But I do agree with the defamation of character suit, since it's done nothing but make him look like a bad guy and a rapist. Shit, I'd sue the whole lot of those shows that have given him the appearance of being a rapist when this case was clearly not even strong enough.

Does not make up for the endorsements he lost due to all of this.

-=Mike

[KingPK 0]

Has everyone forgotten that this girl's name was "accidentally" leaked to the media not once, not twice, but THREE FUCKING TIMES? Tell me that doesn't sound fishy (or shows some gross incompitence on the part of the court). I really don't blame the girl for just saying "fuck it" and not wanting her name dragged through the mud anymore even before the damn trial begins. And having to deal with another rich celebrity's pack of wolves defense that make their client out to be Saint Fucking Peter.

 

And did you see Kobe's statement?

 

Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.  I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.

 

The FUCK does that mean? Either they both consented, and there's no problem, or she didn't consent and it's rape.

[Red Baron 0]

I can see in a few years down the road, Kobe would have a book on this, and then some kind of movie, an E True Hollywood Story, and also advertise condoms for more money.

[KingPK 0]

They already did a True Hollywood Story on this. We'll probably have either an ESPN or FOX TV movie about this that no one will watch.

[Guest MikeSC]

Has everyone forgotten that this girl's name was "accidentally" leaked to the media not once, not twice, but THREE FUCKING TIMES? Tell me that doesn't sound fishy (or shows some gross incompitence on the part of the court). I really don't blame the girl for just saying "fuck it" and not wanting her name dragged through the mud anymore even before the damn trial begins. And having to deal with another rich celebrity's pack of wolves defense that make their client out to be Saint Fucking Peter.

 

And did you see Kobe's statement?

 

Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.  I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.

 

The FUCK does that mean? Either they both consented, and there's no problem, or she didn't consent and it's rape.

PK, one problem --- the person who dropped it --- was her. Yet she keeps her civil suit (which, God willing, will be thrown out of court).

 

I don't care what the charge is --- the defendant has every right to defend him/herself to the best they can. Her case was horribly flawed from the moment it started.

-=Mike

[Dr. Tom 0]

Allegedly this bimbo was nailing 3 guys over the course of 2 days or something....by nearly any standard that is a slut.

Ok, if a guy nailed 3 girls in the span of two days, he's be a stud and get high-fives from dudes like you and me, right? What's so different when a woman does the same thing? Why is a man a stud for going it, yet a woman is a slut?

 

She was so upset after being "raped" that she went out and fucked someone the next day?

I made mention of this already.

[Dr. Tom 0]

I asked it once, and I'll ask it again: Why is HER lifestyle out of bounds?

Because it's no one's business but hers. Her "lifestyle," and the lifestyle of every woman in her place, basically is reduced to how many men they've slept with. Is there some magic number of sexual encoutners that prevents a person from being raped? Are you incapable of being raped if you have sex thrice a week while single?

 

This is a man's LIFE we're discussing here. He should be allowed to use that to defend himself. If she screwed several guys in the same time frame --- that should be noted and she should be forced to PROVE that her injuries, whatever they may be, were caused by the defendant.

Recent encounters, sure, because there's reasonable doubt as to who caused any injuries that might be present. And if she went and banged some dude shortly after Kobe hit it and split it, then her case and credibility are definitely damaged. But her *entire* sexual history? No, that's beyond the pale.

 

It's not like rape has never been falsely accused before.

I'm sure Kobe can scrape together the money for good attorneys...

 

And there's the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing we go by in the court system. The prosecution must make a clear and airtight case for guilt.

 

In this case, the victim, apparently, was Kobe --- who has lost millions based on one psychotic loon's incredibly questionable testimony.

You're kidding, right? He inked a bajillion-dollar deal with the Lakers, and I doubt his marketability has been hurt by what's popularly seen as a frivolous charge and suit.

[Sass 0]

Kobe is still a God here in LA. He'll get cheered at every game. The only thing he has to worry about is if his wife Vanessa decides to divorce and sue his ass (she has the firepower). Losing certain endorsement deals has hurt him along with the lawyer fees but his $130 + million contract he signed with the Lakers earlier this summer should pick up the tab on his lawyer dealings at least.

 

I feel for Vanessa though. She put all of her trust along with her family (her parents live down the street from the couple) into Kobe's hands and he spit on her.

 

Young and too fuckin dumb Kobe is.

[Brett Favre 0]

Allegedly this bimbo was nailing 3 guys over the course of 2 days or something....by nearly any standard that is a slut.

Ok, if a guy nailed 3 girls in the span of two days, he's be a stud and get high-fives from dudes like you and me, right? What's so different when a woman does the same thing? Why is a man a stud for going it, yet a woman is a slut?

That still doesn't change the fact that she was slutty.

 

And that guy would be called a whore? Maybe?

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

I think this whole thing has raised a very important social dillema:

 

 

 

 

how much cash did she get?

[NoCalMike 0]

I dunno, at first I didn't believe Kobe did it, and really I still don't think he RAPED her, although I tend to think SOMETHING lesser could have possibly happened, like possibly sexual assault or battery. Something feels awfully fishy to me about the way Kobe's lawyers conducted themselves. First they deliberately leaked her name three seperate times, and went unpunished for it, and now there are reports that the whole, "she had sex 3 days later" stories were complete bullshit, and purposely leaked to the public to break the defendent down emotionally. It was executed almost perfectly. If the girl wasn't an emotional wreck beforehand, she sure SHOULD BE now. If the chick honestly felt she was raped, then I agree she should have stuck with it, but don't think for one moment that she has not gone through a living hell the past year, complete with death threats and public scrutiny, whether she is a liar or not. If she IS liar, then well she deserves all this tenfold, but what if she is telling the truth.......what if this is another case of a celebrity getting off.

[NoCalMike 0]

Kobe is still a God here in LA. He'll get cheered at every game. The only thing he has to worry about is if his wife Vanessa decides to divorce and sue his ass (she has the firepower). Losing certain endorsement deals has hurt him along with the lawyer fees but his $130 + million contract he signed with the Lakers earlier this summer should pick up the tab on his lawyer dealings at least.

 

I feel for Vanessa though. She put all of her trust along with her family (her parents live down the street from the couple) into Kobe's hands and he spit on her.

 

Young and too fuckin dumb Kobe is.

Yeah I felt sorry for Vanessa to until she suddenly wasn't mad at Kobe anymore after the new car and diamond ring and then decided to be by his side.....

[Guest MikeSC]

I asked it once, and I'll ask it again: Why is HER lifestyle out of bounds?

Because it's no one's business but hers. Her "lifestyle," and the lifestyle of every woman in her place, basically is reduced to how many men they've slept with. Is there some magic number of sexual encoutners that prevents a person from being raped? Are you incapable of being raped if you have sex thrice a week while single?

 

 

The defense was focusing on her for the few days around the very much alleged incident. When it is fair game.

 

And, if you've been raped, you aren't having sex a few days later. If you do, you're psychologically screwed up beyond words (which was ALSO whispered about her) and your testimony is already questionable due to that.

It's not like rape has never been falsely accused before.

I'm sure Kobe can scrape together the money for good attorneys...

 

And there's the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing we go by in the court system. The prosecution must make a clear and airtight case for guilt.

And, thus, Kobe's lawyers should have the ability to put out ANY defense needed. Hell, I hope the DA gets canned over this whole debacle. There is no way she just SUDDENLY flaked out and dropped it. There HAD to be signs, early on, that she was not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

In this case, the victim, apparently, was Kobe --- who has lost millions based on one psychotic loon's incredibly questionable testimony.

You're kidding, right? He inked a bajillion-dollar deal with the Lakers, and I doubt his marketability has been hurt by what's popularly seen as a frivolous charge and suit.

How many endorsements has he ALREADY lost due to it? It's not an insignificant number.

-=Mike

[Sass 0]

Kobe is still a God here in LA.  He'll get cheered at every game.  The only thing he has to worry about is if his wife Vanessa decides to divorce and sue his ass (she has the firepower).  Losing certain endorsement deals has hurt him along with the lawyer fees but his $130 + million contract he signed with the Lakers earlier this summer should pick up the tab on his lawyer dealings at least.

 

I feel for Vanessa though.  She put all of her trust along with her family (her parents live down the street from the couple) into Kobe's hands and he spit on her. 

 

Young and too fuckin dumb Kobe is.

Yeah I felt sorry for Vanessa to until she suddenly wasn't mad at Kobe anymore after the new car and diamond ring and then decided to be by his side.....

Kobe has all the keys to her life but Vanessa has him by the short and curlies. No pre-nup was signed when they married. They're both relatively young and I imagine they'll be like Magic and Cookie. She will never be able never to trust Kobe again when he is on the road. That will be her punishment for staying with him. If he ever screws around on her again and it becomes public then she'll look like an utter fool for giving the love of her life a second chance. The basis for them not signing a pre-nup was because they trusted one another (both are very good looking and could get on anyone they'd want too).

 

Her and Cookie, Magic's wife, should have lunch.

[TSA09 0]

His apology could end up hurting him though, and not in civil court. Vanessa was shown on camera with him at the Teen Choice Awards (I think). He won an award and got up and kissed her, she wiped it off right after and in his acceptance speech and made a comment to her and she was shown giving him the middle finger descretely. She's not stupid, I wouldn't be surprised it they got divorced. I'm not saying right now, if she is smart she'll wait a little bit and drop the bomb on him.

[Guest Vitamin X]

She should have done it right when the Lakers lost Game 5.

That would have been a REAL stinger.

[Dr. Tom 0]

That still doesn't change the fact that she was slutty.

Buck up and pull the spoon out of your mouth.

 

And that guy would be called a whore? Maybe?

By whom? Certainly not by other men. The fact remains that a man's sexual prowess is celebrated, while a woman's is demonized. You're thinking right along those lines the whole way, it seems. Congratulations, you're a drone. Join us outside the box once in a while; you might like it better.

[Dr. Tom 0]

The defense was focusing on her for the few days around the very much alleged incident. When it is fair game.

Yes, THAT specific period is fair game. But so many rape cases go into the alleged victim's complete sexual history, which is flat-out wrong. Who cares that a woman has slept with 40 men in the 10 years since she lost her virginity at 15? Good for her, and it's definitely not the business of the court.

 

And, if you've been raped, you aren't having sex a few days later. If you do, you're psychologically screwed up beyond words

I made reference to this earlier. It definitely damages her credibilty if she was out having sex again shortly after the Kobe Incident, and it paints her as a head case, neither of which are conducive to winning a court case.

 

And, thus, Kobe's lawyers should have the ability to put out ANY defense needed.

I'm not saying it was necessarily done in this case, but character assassination of the victim and bringing up things that are no one else's business should be excluded. A competent lawyer should be able to defend his client without attacking the other party.

 

Hell, I hope the DA gets canned over this whole debacle.

I think the DA and the judge were both starfuckers, and I hope they get the axe for it.

 

How many endorsements has he ALREADY lost due to it? It's not an insignificant number.

You'll forgive me if I don't weep for a multimillionaire.

 

I think Kobe will be fine when it comes to endorsements. Look at RAY~! Lewis: he faced a more serious charge, didn't have nearly as much popular sympathy behind him, and actually pled guilty to obstruction of justice, yet he rebuilt his image quite nicely in less than two years.

[Brett Favre 0]

Buck up and pull the spoon out of your mouth.

 

Okay, i'm sorry. I guess lust is beautiful in it's own way. Let her have sex with three men in two days, she's not slutty to me!

 

By whom?  Certainly not by other men.  The fact remains that a man's sexual prowess is celebrated, while a woman's is demonized.  You're thinking right along those lines the whole way, it seems.  Congratulations, you're a drone.  Join us outside the box once in a while; you might like it better.

 

Fine, lets celebrate this guy's accomplishment. Yay! I feel much better now.

[Guest Vitamin X]

And that guy would be called a whore? Maybe?

By whom? Certainly not by other men. The fact remains that a man's sexual prowess is celebrated, while a woman's is demonized. You're thinking right along those lines the whole way, it seems. Congratulations, you're a drone. Join us outside the box once in a while; you might like it better.

I was going to respond to this earlier when you brought this up, but didn't for fear of going off-topic. Since you keep mentioning it, though I must offer my theory on it.

 

I've explained this dozens of times, but I'll summarize it and try to keep it simple since the Hurricane could come at any moment and knock out my power. For one thing, in a typical social view, at least in our culture (and many others around the world), the man is always expected to court the woman. Thus the woman is in a position of acceptance or rejection, whereas the male is always on a quest to win over a new girl.

 

Thus if a male is constantly successful in his bids to obtain sex, he gets praised for it (but by men.. would you see a lot of women finding a men who's slept with multiple women a turn-on?).. Yet if a female does the same thing, she's "breaking the rules"...

 

We all laugh right, when we say that it's impossible for a guy to get raped because males typically don't care as much when it comes to having sex as it is with females? Another gender stereotype, yet one that I'm going to use for the purposes of why there is a double standard. Females are in a position of acceptance or rejection... When a woman fucks that away, it's understandable then why she's depreciated.. She no longer maintains the typical gender role and is thus depreciated by both men and women. All of a sudden, it becomes silly to think that a girl like that can be raped, because she is flexible enough to play the male role in conquesting the opposite (or same, whatever) sex for intercourse and doesn't seem to care much when doing so.

 

Therefore women who do the same thing are sluts while guys get praise for the same thing from their own gender.

[Dr. Tom 0]

I was going to respond to this earlier when you brought this up, but didn't for fear of going off-topic. Since you keep mentioning it, though I must offer my theory on it.

[snip...]

Therefore women who do the same thing are sluts while guys get praise for the same thing from their own gender.

I understand WHY it's that way. My point is that it's a bunch of patriarchal and chauvinistic bullshit.

[Guest Vitamin X]

How so? You don't believe in gender roles?

[Brett Favre 0]

A 34 year old guy dating a 18 year old girl may be considered a perv. But if it's the other way around, I really haven't heard people calling that woman a perv. It's just the way the ball bounces.

[2GOLD 0]

The situation wasn't she was a...I'm not even going to use the word cause it's total bs since sex is sex no matter what your gender...the question was the timeframe that she had sex again.

 

I don't care if she slept with three football teams, four NBA teams and the starting line-up of the Colorado Rockies before she hooked up with Kobe. My problem lies in the situation after Kobe. There was too much that seemed out of place with this story from the start.

 

We cannot be in a position to just believe a woman everytime. The history before the incident I don't care about unless the person has a history of claiming rape and then dropping charges cause that also comes into play. The problem with the charge of rape is there is no way for the man to defend himself cause no one is going to believe the man unless he drags the woman through the mud. And considering I would remove the gentials of a man convicted of rape without a second thought, I still understand there are times where some females have lied to use it to their advantage. Those are the ones who add the sense of doubt now, the ones who have lied for attention, sympathy, or whatever.

 

In this case, it was the after the alleged rape sex that made me question her. Not the before.

[Dr. Tom 0]

How so? You don't believe in gender roles?

Nope. People should act how they're going to act, and not worry if it fits in with some cookie-cutter "role" that was chiseled out ages ago. Besides, the "promiscuous woman = slut" and "woman who enjoys sex = slut" "gender roles" are *obvious* creations of chauvinistic older men who want their women domesticated, meek, and barefoot and pregnant.