Dress code continues to be annoying

[JHawk 0]

I'll give my take on dress codes in general since it applys here.

 

I work at Circuit City, and we have a dress code...for when we're working at the store during store hours. That doesn't apply to our days off or, in the event we're traveling on work-related matters, when we're on the airplane or driving in the car or whatever else.

 

Would it be so difficult to amend the code so that when you arrive to the arena or appear at a personal appearance, you dress a certain way, but when you're simply traveling from point A to point B you wear whatever you damn well feel like?

 

Part of the reason people relate to wrestlers is because most of them seem like real people. Why take away a key factor in how your audience relates to your talent?

[CBright7831 0]

I mean what was wrong with like, what christian was wearing when he ran out on RAW, or when he debuted? Simple jeans..a fairly decent shirt, and he still looked presentable.

Christian looked like frat boy on his way to a kegger.

Hey now, I wear those kind of shirts.

[Guest Anglesault]

I hope the roster just gives a big FUCK YOU to management on this one such as not doing it altogether so hopefully WWE will just drop it (like Congress did with Prohibition),

BWAHAHAHA

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

*walks in thread*

 

*sees AS laughing*

 

*sees what he's laughing at*

 

BWWWAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!

[AndrewTS 0]

"Would it be so difficult to amend the code so that when you arrive to the arena or appear at a personal appearance, you dress a certain way, but when you're simply traveling from point A to point B you wear whatever you damn well feel like?"

 

No, Vince owns their souls; not allowed.

 

Also, it's funny how "independent contractor" is brought up when it works in Vince's favor, but every other time they're treated as employees.

[Gert T 0]

Look, I agree they bust their asses, but they aren't starving, and they aren't working 300 days a year anymore, closer to 200.

 

I work at a high school w/o AC, and we have to wear nice clothes all day, they can change out once they get to the arena. It is hard for me to have sympathy.

[Guest El Satanico]

Since when did wearing a tshirt and jeans or god forbid shorts in a casual enviroment become dressing like a slob? This isn't the 1950s, everyone doesn't need to dress like a banker, or even a banker after the bank closes on Friday.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

You know what would be the greatest thing ever? If a big group of smarks was at an arena one night and threw in dress shirts and pants ala. ECW arena throwing chairs.

[CanadianChick 0]

You know what would be the greatest thing ever? If a big group of smarks was at an arena one night and threw in dress shirts and pants ala. ECW arena throwing chairs.

What a huge waste of money...

 

What? Just saying.

[Guest DeathBecomesYou]

You know what would be the greatest thing ever?  If a big group of smarks was at an arena one night and threw in dress shirts and pants ala. ECW arena throwing chairs.

What a huge waste of money...

 

What? Just saying.

It'd still be pretty amusing though.

The one thing that seems to be stupid about this whole dress code thing, is the whole 'Taker situation. Now if management institues such an idea as the dress code, whether it's a pain in the ass or not, the wrestlers should just grit and bear it, as there is fuck all they can do about it anyway. But if management is going to introduce such a code and enforce it by fining lower workers, then it should apply to everybody. I wonder how the lower guys who are putting up with the inconveniance (and it would be a pain in the ass to an extent) would feel, seeing the likes of 'Taker completely ignoring the rule and no action being taken, I bet that's real great for morale.

[Guest SteveyP93]

This isn't the 1950s, everyone doesn't need to dress like a banker, or even a banker after the bank closes on Friday.

 

You obviously forget who we are dealing with.

 

A Catholic school boy, the creamiest of all Caucasians, couldn't-be-thinking-anymore-inside-the-box...Anglesault.

 

FUCK DRESS CODES.

 

Not only does WWE need to drop it, this whole COUNTRY needs to drop it. Too much emphasis on a look, not enough on talent and individuality. I really like how Apple interviews people in sweatshirts and sandals, that is an awesome policy. Get to the core of the person, not their goddamn wardrobe.

 

And the whole "you're a bum/slob unless you are dressed to the nines" is ridiculous. Move to Pleasantville, you crybaby.

 

Oh, yeah...and while I'm at it, fuck organized religion. And Undertaker rocks. He is setting an example for the locker room...rebellion against bullshit corporate policy.

[Guest Anglesault]

This isn't the 1950s, everyone doesn't need to dress like a banker, or even a banker after the bank closes on Friday.

 

You obviously forget who we are dealing with.

 

A Catholic school boy, the creamiest of all Caucasians, couldn't-be-thinking-anymore-inside-the-box...Anglesault.

Is that bad?

[Guest SteveyP93]

Yes. You're a brainwashed, soulless waste of space. You worship a false God and corporate America. You think that fucking cotton fibers define a person. You suck.

 

...dum, dum, you suck, dum, dum.

 

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Guest Anglesault]

Can't win em all.

[Guest SteveyP93]

Neither can the Yankees.

[Kardo 0]

You know what would be the greatest thing ever? If a big group of smarks was at an arena one night and threw in dress shirts and pants ala. ECW arena throwing chairs.

Nah, take it one step further. Everyone in the crowd wearing suits, or waiting outside the arena wearing suits.

[Silence 0]

You know what would be the greatest thing ever?  If a big group of smarks was at an arena one night and threw in dress shirts and pants ala. ECW arena throwing chairs.

Nah, take it one step further. Everyone in the crowd wearing suits, or waiting outside the arena wearing suits.

Knowing Vince, he'd see the fans wearing suits and say "Those look nice on all of you...in fact, they look so nice that I was just thinking about enforcing the dress code ON THE FANS as well!"

[Guest DeathBecomesYou]

You know what would be the greatest thing ever?  If a big group of smarks was at an arena one night and threw in dress shirts and pants ala. ECW arena throwing chairs.

Nah, take it one step further. Everyone in the crowd wearing suits, or waiting outside the arena wearing suits.

Knowing Vince, he'd see the fans wearing suits and say "Those look nice on all of you...in fact, they look so nice that I was just thinking about enforcing the dress code ON THE FANS as well!"

But then how would Vince fine the fans? Give them a shitty show? He's already doing that, so what could it be?

[Guest Bushido]

Yes. You're a brainwashed, soulless waste of space. You worship a false God and corporate America. You think that fucking cotton fibers define a person. You suck.

 

...dum, dum, you suck, dum, dum.

 

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Conformist.

[Guest netslob]

it's not like dress codes are an original idea anyway. i've seen it in old news-reels from the '40's...although it was hard to understand because the narration was in German.

 

::credit: George Carlin

[MillenniumMan831 0]

Well, hopefully this turns out a little better.

[Twisted Intestine 0]

You know what would be the greatest thing ever?  If a big group of smarks was at an arena one night and threw in dress shirts and pants ala. ECW arena throwing chairs.

What a huge waste of money...

 

What? Just saying.

During Chris Jericho's Highlight Reel...

 

You know he'd say something.. no way he'dbe able to keep his mouth shut!

[Guest Tjhe CyNick]

I have to wear a suit every day for work, or at least a shirt/tie and slacks, and I find it comfortable, but at the same time, when I get home from work I sit around its jeans and a t-shirt. So I can understand why some guys would be upset. Especially when they spend so much time in a car driving.

 

At the same time, its Vince's company and since they have no union, its his rules. If he thinks having people dress up on the road will make a difference, then the guys should shut up and do it. They are getting paid a very good wage to do a job. If this makes them so upset, go wrestle for another organization. Or if they really want to make a difference, show some balls and start a union.

 

Of course Vince shoots himself in the ass when he lets a guy like Taker run aorund without obeying the dress code. That creates a poor working environment, because the other guys see Taker get away with disobeying the rules and they figure "why should I do it too?" I mean Kurt Angle should be just as respected as Taker, why does he have to wear a suit and TAker doesn't? That stuff is dumb, and really speaks poorly about Vince as a manager more than anything.

 

As for Rock, I dont think the WWE has any right to tell him what to do. Rock is doing WWE a favour by showing up every now and then, so I cant see how the guys would be upset at Rock not having to play by the same rules. At this point he's no different than say Mike Tyson making an appearance, and I'm sure Vince didn't dictate to Mike how to dress when he did his stuff with WWE.

 

But this whole issue is rather stupid in my opinion. I mean yes its true, Vince has the right to tell his guys to look professional just like other sports do. But at the same time when the WWE was setting all kinds of records for attendance, TV ratings and PPV buys they weren't dressing up and the fans still paid to see them work. So I dont really buy into this logic where they say if the fans see the wrestlers dressing up they will think they are worth paying money to watch. Maybe if the WWE spent more time fixing their creative problems and less time on meaningless stuff like how the boys dress they wouldn't have to cancel house shows every other weekend.

[Guest SteveyP93]

I mean Kurt Angle should be just as respected as Taker, why does he have to wear a suit and TAker doesn't?

 

I don't think Vince even has to ask Kurt to wear a suit. If you've ever read his book, he explains that ever since he made the transition to main event (big money), he likes to dress up and rent luxury cars. His philosophy that if you're making the big bucks, you better look like you do. Basically the same as Flair's.

[AndrewTS 0]

At the same time, its Vince's company and since they have no union, its his rules. If he thinks having people dress up on the road will make a difference, then the guys should shut up and do it. They are getting paid a very good wage to do a job. If this makes them so upset, go wrestle for another organization. Or if they really want to make a difference, show some balls and start a union.

 

"Independent contractors."

 

They can't have a union as long as that's their official status with WWE. Vince loves "independent contractors" when it's convenient, as I stated before.

 

It's kind of like how WWE is either a "sport" or "entertainment" or whatever the hell "sports entertainment" is, depending on the situation. Therefore, certain guys will be pressured to use "supplements," aren't treated as actors, etc.

 

Not that this is exactly the be-all, end-all of legal stuff--but:

 

http://jobsearchtech.about.com/library/weekly/aa121800.htm

 

Companies don't have to withhold federal, state and Social Security (FICA) taxes, or pay unemployment or workers' compensation insurance for independent contractors. They also don't need to offer benefits like paid sick leave, vacation, health insurance and stock options, as they do to attract and retain employees. In fact, companies don't have to offer much of anything to independent contractors, except that for which they've agreed by contract (independent contractor agreement).

 

Many misclassified independent contractors don't fully understand the difference either, which helps to perpetuate the problem. Here's how it's supposed to work when you are correctly classified as an independent contractor:

 

Companies are not your employers per se, but your clients. As such, they are not entitled to direct you in your work.

 

Of course, your clients have a right to say what they expect for the rates they're paying you, but only as it relates to the outcome of the project.

 

It's your right to decide when, where and how to get the project done.

 

Wow, Vince gets the best of both worlds except for paying downside agreements. Pretty shrewd.

[MillenniumMan831 0]

From LOP

 

WWE wrestlers continue to vent their disapproval over the recent strick dress code approach that been imposed by WWE.

 

Many have been upset after the Rock recently showed up on RAW wearing jeans and a tank top.

 

It is believed that superstars are venting their frustration toward John "Johnny Ace" Laurinaitis, the man they feel came up with the decision to fine wrestlers for abusing the dress code.

 

Laurinaitis has implemented this dress code policy before in WCW.

 

Well, if it worked for WCW . . .

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

The "Independent Contractor" thing is withoutadoubt THEE least talked about issue that is perhaps THEE most important one in professional wrestling.

[AndrewTS 0]

It's been difficult actually finding anything that specifically answers the question. It doesn't seem that dress codes could be retro-actively placed upon the wrestlers that don't have any such provision in their contracts.

 

The closest I could actually find anything on was this. :

 

http://edumacation.com/MaryKayOpinion89

 

"The much discussed 'MK image' mandate of dresses/skirts with hose and closed toe shoes is a case in point, if a relatively minor one: employees have dress codes, independent contractors do not."

 

I may go ask my Business Law professor from last semester about it, unless anyone knows of a quicker way to answer the question.

 

However, it would seem that by-definition wrestlers can't be "independent contractors" because they have little control over where they're going to be and exactly how they're going to perform their task. Plus, as mentioned, the code isn't even just employing them on the job, but also when they're traveling.

 

I think they have every right to bitch about this, personally. Legally they likely do as well. They aren't treated like employees or independent contractors, but rather however the hell WWE wants to treat them.

[Sideburnious 0]

Dudes, this is totally getting out of control over something as small as wrestlers being told to look respectable turning up in arenas. I doubt they have to wear it at hotels or driving there rental cars, just turning up and leaving work.

So they have to do something new, boo hoo. Its not as if their money is being cut.

 

This isn't going to effect their matches and seeing as most people here probably dont see most of them going into arenas shouldnt have a big debate like it has been.

 

 

Yes. You're a brainwashed, soulless waste of space. You worship a false God and corporate America. You think that fucking cotton fibers define a person. You suck.

 

Im guessing you bought your pc from a "corporate" company and are online using another "corporate" internet company. Your a bigger sheep than anyone else because you actually believe your outside the loop. Just like they want you to think.

And yeah cotton fibres do define a person. You try getting a job dressed like a tramp....unless that job is for a tramp of course

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Sonny Ono wrote something about how wrestlers were infact employees rather than independent contractors and made many comparisons which defined wrestlers as I.C.

 

However, if wrestlers _were_ employees, Vince would be out of business.