Raw 9/6/04

[Guest Big Daddy V1]

I hope Orton / Kane will be a title match.  I hate non-title matches.

It's probably one of those ' don't cross the boss or you face the big monster guy' match.

Yeah.. good to see them pushing that creative envelope

Yup, you don't get more old school than this

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

It just occurred to me, what the fuck is supposed to be the point of your 'WAAAA BENOIT'S BEING HELD DOWN BY HHH' whine anyway?

 

Easy.

 

Before Benoits title reign:

 

Dumb person - OOOOH I can't wait until Benoit gets the title! THANK YOU WWE!

 

Benoits title reign:

 

Dumb Person - Benoit is getting a god push. He's main eventing. He still has the title after a few months. THANK YOU WWE!

 

People (Dumb People, typically) had this notion that having the title around ones waist was the be-all end-all. As if just wearing the belt meant that you were the top guy. With Benoits reign it was made PAINFULLY CLEAR this wasn't the case as HHH and HHH's feuds were still dominating television time and Benoit was pushed aside. Yet people still didn't see. Now, after Benoits reign, he's still playing the same tune, he's still wrestling Batista and Flair repeatedly, and is still completely ineffective, as he was when champion. I'm pointing that out, so that -hopefully, one day- those dumb people will see how Benoit was a lame-duck champion, and that it was an essentially worthless title reign.

[Guest Tjhe CyNick]

It just occurred to me, what the fuck is supposed to be the point of your 'WAAAA BENOIT'S BEING HELD DOWN BY HHH' whine anyway?

 

Easy.

 

Before Benoits title reign:

 

Dumb person - OOOOH I can't wait until Benoit gets the title! THANK YOU WWE!

 

Benoits title reign:

 

Dumb Person - Benoit is getting a god push. He's main eventing. He still has the title after a few months. THANK YOU WWE!

 

People (Dumb People, typically) had this notion that having the title around ones waist was the be-all end-all. As if just wearing the belt meant that you were the top guy. With Benoits reign it was made PAINFULLY CLEAR this wasn't the case as HHH and HHH's feuds were still dominating television time and Benoit was pushed aside. Yet people still didn't see. Now, after Benoits reign, he's still playing the same tune, he's still wrestling Batista and Flair repeatedly, and is still completely ineffective, as he was when champion. I'm pointing that out, so that -hopefully, one day- those dumb people will see how Benoit was a lame-duck champion, and that it was an essentially worthless title reign.

Ive been saying this same thing for months.

 

Benoit was booked well at the Rumble, at Mania and for part of the lead up to Backlash along with that show itself. But other than that, he's been a "mid card world champ" and has taken a backseat to everything HHH has done.

 

Anyone who thought Benoit was the top guy when he was world champ either didn't watch RAW or is dillusional. Now that he's lost the title, people are more up in arms, but really he's in the exact same spot. Only difference is that now he can get through metal detectors faster.

[Guest GreatOne]

You forget one thing: Benoit will NEVER be in the position to carry RAW like Austin, Rock, or even HHH could. And quite frankly whenever he bungles stuff and cuts generic midcard promos ("I'll take you two SOBs on myself") he's not doing himself any favors.

 

You moan about Benoit feuding with whomever, well if the opposite is a good position, Benoit's in a good spot by default. I would take him feuding with Batista over a returning Mark Henry (or even Kane) anyday of the week.

 

Was it not just three months ago when WWE was thinking of headlining Vengeance with Edge/Benoit and everyone was complaining about how 'they were being set up to fail?' Is consistency in our 'let's bitch about WWE THIS week' riverfest hard to attain all the sudden?

[Karc 0]

Probably better then to have never given Benoit the belt. WWE has shown me in the last few years that's it better to imagine what could have been than to actually see what a waste it was.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

You forget one thing: Benoit will NEVER be in the position to carry RAW like Austin, Rock, or even HHH could. And quite frankly whenever he bungles stuff and cuts generic midcard promos ("I'll take you two SOBs on myself") he's not doing himself any favors.

 

Benoit had like ONE big promo, at least that I can remember (and I didn't even remember it until LOTC showed me Backlash) and that was on RAW in Calgary. It was a good promo. I think Benoit is more natural on the mic than say, Orton (who is getting a MUCH bigger push, so it's not about promos, it's about who the WWE wants to be in the position and Benoit clearly wasn't it), and his only problem is he is forced (nature of the beast) to wait for pops rather than just go with the flow - so there are these unnecessary pauses. Thats his only problem IMO, and it can be fixed easily.

 

You moan about Benoit feuding with whomever, well if the opposite is a good position, Benoit's in a good spot by default. I would take him feuding with Batista over a returning Mark Henry (or even Kane) anyday of the week.

 

Well gee, Benoit could also be found dead in a pool of his own feces and urine. Shit, the WWE should get a medal for the "push" they gave him. Low Expectations isn't exactly a GOOD thing. What I've been saying all along is that Benoit was better off on Smackdown before coming to RAW, and that the title reign would hurt him, I still stand by that.

 

Was it not just three months ago when WWE was thinking of headlining Vengeance with Edge/Benoit and everyone was complaining about how 'they were being set up to fail?' Is consistency in our 'let's bitch about WWE THIS week' riverfest hard to attain all the sudden?

 

WTF are you talking about? "Everyone"? I don't remember saying anything like that.

 

Hey, remember that Ironman match Benoit/HHH had? I don't think many do...

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

And I won't be posting in here anymore. There's a new show in town...

[Guest wildpegasus]

Hey, remember that Ironman match Benoit/HHH had?  I don't think many do...[/b]

Funny you should mention that because I rescently stated that Benoit's longest singles match was against Villano III without even thinking twice about it.

 

And I won't be posting in here anymore.  There's a new show in town...

 

What's the new show?

[Guest GreatOne]

So no more 'Benoit's being held down' posts anymore? Aw crap...................I'll live.

 

And what exactly was Benoit doing on SD that was so great at the time he switched to RAW? We could have a Mania main event (well SD anyway) of Benoit's 18-year quest to be world champ against a lame duck. Hell even with Michaels weaseling in I'll take Benoit vs the Kliq and emerging victorious.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

3 WrestleMania Main Events that could've delivered more then the triple threat had Benoit stayed on SD:

 

- Benoit vs Brock

- Benoit vs Eddy

- Benoit vs Angle (An "I Quit" match would've worked perfectly here).

[SuperJerk 0]

3 WrestleMania Main Events that could've delivered more then the triple threat had Benoit stayed on SD:

 

- Benoit vs Brock

- Benoit vs Eddy

- Benoit vs Angle (An "I Quit" match would've worked perfectly here).

Benoit/HHH/HBK was an excellent main event, and the show drew huge numbers.

 

Benoit/Angle has been done 10,000 times, and Benoit/Guerrero was just done at the previous summer's Vengenance.

 

Benoit vs. Lesnar MIGHT HAVE worked, but they decided to go with Goldberg/Lesnar, which WOULD HAVE worked as a draw if Goldberg wasn't kept off of TV for the month leading up to it, and both guys weren't leaving.

[Guest TheLastBoyscout]

Looks like another mediocre RAW. Orton/Kane will be interesting but I don't know if it'll be good or not. Eugene/HHH wasn't half bad at SummerSlam, but I don't know if the Cage gimmick will help it or hurt it. One thing's for sure- it'll work if HHH blades.

[Steviekick 0]

Looks like another mediocre RAW. Orton/Kane will be interesting but I don't know if it'll be good or not. Eugene/HHH wasn't half bad at SummerSlam, but I don't know if the Cage gimmick will help it or hurt it. One thing's for sure- it'll work if HHH blades.

I'm just bored with the whole Eugene/HHH feud.

[Guest Tjhe CyNick]

3 WrestleMania Main Events that could've delivered more then the triple threat had Benoit stayed on SD:

 

- Benoit vs Brock

- Benoit vs Eddy

- Benoit vs Angle (An "I Quit" match would've worked perfectly here).

Benoit/HHH/HBK was an excellent main event, and the show drew huge numbers.

 

Benoit/Angle has been done 10,000 times, and Benoit/Guerrero was just done at the previous summer's Vengenance.

 

Benoit vs. Lesnar MIGHT HAVE worked, but they decided to go with Goldberg/Lesnar, which WOULD HAVE worked as a draw if Goldberg wasn't kept off of TV for the month leading up to it, and both guys weren't leaving.

The fact that Benoit faced HHH and HBK had very little (if anything) to do with the success of Mania. That show was going to do well regardless of who was in that match. If you watched most fo the ads for that show Goldebrg-Lesnar got the biggest play, so to me that match more than any deserves the praise for the success of the show. But in reality it was the 20th anniversay concept that sold the show more than any of the matches.

 

They could have done Benoit-Angle for the title (assuming they didn't go with Eddie) and it would have been a great match, and there would have been just as much emotion for his win.

 

To me the big problem with Benoit moving over was that he had done all of this stuff building up to a match against Brock and going for the SD title, and then all of a sudden he decided to go after the RAW title for no good reason (aside from stroking Huter's ego by saying he was the "real champ" or whatever). I mean I understand why they did it (wanted to do Brock-Goldberg, wanted to put the title on Eddie, etc), but it just made Benoit look like a dope to me, especially when they made him play such an afterthought in the whole HHH-HBK saga.

[Guest TheLastBoyscout]

3 WrestleMania Main Events that could've delivered more then the triple threat had Benoit stayed on SD:

 

- Benoit vs Brock

- Benoit vs Eddy

- Benoit vs Angle (An "I Quit" match would've worked perfectly here).

Benoit/HHH/HBK was an excellent main event, and the show drew huge numbers.

 

Benoit/Angle has been done 10,000 times, and Benoit/Guerrero was just done at the previous summer's Vengenance.

 

Benoit vs. Lesnar MIGHT HAVE worked, but they decided to go with Goldberg/Lesnar, which WOULD HAVE worked as a draw if Goldberg wasn't kept off of TV for the month leading up to it, and both guys weren't leaving.

The fact that Benoit faced HHH and HBK had very little (if anything) to do with the success of Mania. That show was going to do well regardless of who was in that match. If you watched most fo the ads for that show Goldebrg-Lesnar got the biggest play, so to me that match more than any deserves the praise for the success of the show. But in reality it was the 20th anniversay concept that sold the show more than any of the matches.

 

They could have done Benoit-Angle for the title (assuming they didn't go with Eddie) and it would have been a great match, and there would have been just as much emotion for his win.

 

That's a hard statement to make. The most heavily promoted matches were the Triple Threat and Kane/UT. The buyrate was on the strebgth of the year long advertising on those two matches. People wanted to see Benoit win the big one, and so they bought the PPV.

 

Despite it's low position on the card Evo/Rock n Sock got more build and about as much promotion as Brock/Goldberg.

[Guest Tjhe CyNick]

Goldberg-Brock was the only match I seen advertised on "regualr TV shows". All the other matches were only advertised (that I saw) were advertised only on WWE TV. The only other ads I saw on non-WWE shows were the ones that listed all big matches (2 titles matches, RocknSock, Brock and Taker), but in terms of advertsiing one match, the only one I saw was Goldberg-Lesnar. People may have been watching other things from me, but thats what I noticed.

 

Plus just the fact that they had Austin go over to SD and Goldberg show up at a SD PPV tells me Goldberg-Lesnar was the match they felt would draw the most.

 

Its all a moot point because as we've both said, the year long build is what sold the show. All I'm saying is that I dont think many people bought the show to see HHH vs Benoit vs HBK.

[Exslade ZX 0]

Goldberg-Brock was the only match I seen advertised on "regualr TV shows".

And that does make sense...considering you know, non wrestling fans still know who goldberg is.

 

Most of the time you ask a nonwrestling fan who Chris Benoit is, and you'll probaly get a who? Same with Kane, HBK, HHH...anyone who hasn't been in a movie before, or anything out of WWE programming. So why would they promote..

 

"TWO GUYS YOU DONT KNOW...WRESTLING!"

 

I mean of course no one's gonna just say...hey, I know who goldberg is, I'll order this 50$ PPV...but still that would be general thinking.

[JoeDirt 0]

So how long until they have to turn Eugene heel with the "I was never retarded" thing?

[Guest TheLastBoyscout]

So how long until they have to turn Eugene heel with the "I was never retarded" thing?

I don't know why they would. There were several chants for him last week.

[BorneAgain 0]

So, will this become the official Raw thread or what?

[The Czech Republic 0]

I guess it is now.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

You know...I kinda find it interesting that Eric Bischoff is still a General Manager after all of this time.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

and its time for RAW!...

[The Czech Republic 0]

Should we just voluntarily exile ourselves to GTG anyway?

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

You know...I kinda find it interesting that Eric Bischoff is still a General Manager after all of this time.

especially considering all the GM's Smackdown has had since as well.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

You know...I kinda find it interesting that Eric Bischoff is still a General Manager after all of this time.

especially considering all the GM's Smackdown has had since as well.

Exactly.

 

Since the Role of General Manager was made...Bischoff has out-lasted his Co-GM Austin, and Smackdown GMs Steph, Heyman, Angle, and now he's with Long.

[The Czech Republic 0]

You know...I kinda find it interesting that Eric Bischoff is still a General Manager after all of this time.

especially considering all the GM's Smackdown has had since as well.

I was GM for Smackdown for like two days in March.

[Steviekick 0]

Should we just voluntarily exile ourselves to GTG anyway?

Sure.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Wow the cage is already lowered...

[razazteca 0]

Is the writing on Raw done by some E-fed kiddies?