GreatWhiteNope 0 Report post Posted September 22, 2004 http://www.prowrestling.com/news.php?id=11861/articles/news The 'season premiere' of WWE RAW scored a 3.7 rating, up from last week's 3.6, according to Nielsen Media Research. Considering the post-PPV audience last Monday was exposed to the tease for Vince's big announcement, as well as the Lita-Kane-Snitsky incident, most critics do not feel this rating was successful. In WWE's favor, however, CBS launched its new season of Monday night shows, which all performed well. Nontheless, Vince's announcements have traditionally sparked ratings, at least to a certain extent, so the tiny increase was not desirable, nor what WWE was expecting. Not too shabby. When was the last time they hit 4.0 or above? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BHK 0 Report post Posted September 22, 2004 http://www.steveswrestling.com/info/rawratings.html June 21, 2004 4.2 Note: No ratings for september are shown on that site. So a 4.0 could have been possible this month, but I don't know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Evolution Report post Posted September 22, 2004 In WWE's favor, however, CBS launched its new season of Monday night shows, which all performed well. I don't understand. How does this benefit the WWE? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted September 22, 2004 It's basically saying CBS premiered their new shows thus if Raw didn't do as well as predicted it is ok. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benoit4hor 0 Report post Posted September 22, 2004 In WWE's favor, however, CBS launched its new season of Monday night shows, which all performed well. I don't understand. How does this benefit the WWE? CBS killed some babies? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2004 Will Papa Shango come back to Raw with the voodoo child? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2004 Is Randy Orton still a draw? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheLastBoyscout Report post Posted September 23, 2004 Is Randy Orton still a draw? He's still top face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2004 Is Randy Orton still a draw? He's still top face. ...to WWE anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2004 Is Randy Orton still a draw? He's still top face. ...to WWE anyway. The sheep like him also. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2004 Is Randy Orton still a draw? He's still top face. ...to WWE anyway. He seem to be getting good pops to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 23, 2004 He's done better since they took the title off him, since it's given a motivation to him that he can't really have with the title and he has a level of credibility now, having beat Benoit and almost Triple H. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2004 Is Randy Orton still a draw? He's still top face. ...to WWE anyway. He seem to be getting good pops to me. Yes, but I'd say Orton's pops are, at the very least, behind HBK and Jericho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sylvan Grenier Report post Posted September 23, 2004 Orton gets Jeff Hardy heat, anyway. People with cocks don't cheer for Randy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tjhe CyNick Report post Posted September 23, 2004 I believe I read somwhere (pwinsider maybe) that the show did hours of 3.8 and 3.6, so if anything that shows that the fans really dont care about Orton as the top babyface, since the show lost viewers. As for pops, they can only go so far. Hogan will get the biggest pop on any show, but that doesn't mean he can draw in terms of ratings or PPV buys. I would throw Benoit and Eugene (depending on the city) on the list of guys who get bigger pops than Randal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2004 I believe I read somwhere (pwinsider maybe) that the show did hours of 3.8 and 3.6, so if anything that shows that the fans really dont care about Orton as the top babyface, since the show lost viewers. As for pops, they can only go so far. Hogan will get the biggest pop on any show, but that doesn't mean he can draw in terms of ratings or PPV buys. I would throw Benoit and Eugene (depending on the city) on the list of guys who get bigger pops than Randal. Benoit's pops were VERY selective...although his half-hearted push during the actual shows probably had a lot to do with it. Plus Eugene's pops have died down. He still gets cheered quite a bit, but I don't know about more than Randy... It's hard to tell if you're not actually at the arena. Orton gets Jeff Hardy heat, anyway. People with cocks don't cheer for Randy. That's not true. I'm sure Patterson is a big fan of Randy... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coolclint 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2004 That's right, it is hard to gauge crowd reactions on TV. I went to the last TNA PPV earlier in the month, and the reactions were much louder than you'd hear on TV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubq 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2004 People [ie: not WWE staff or networks] still care about ratings? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Super Pissed Smark Report post Posted September 23, 2004 The ratings are actually interesting in that they haven't dropped with the start of MNF. Does this mean that the WWE is so far out of the mainstream now that there aren't any casual viewers left? If a 3.6 rating is around 5 million viewers in the cable universe today, and that's about a third of what the combined ratings for RAW and Nitro were back during their peak, so WWE has lost two thirds of the wrestling audience from a few years ago, but does anybody know how many million viewers they had ten years ago? I can find the ratings easy, but I'm not sure if a 2.2 rating back then is the same number of viewers as it would be now. In ten years you'd think that penetration of the cable networks would have grown and you might not be able to compare numbers directly, like you can't really do with PPV buyrates from way back and today. Just curious what the real base of viewers is today as compared to ten years ago and if the WWE is getting close to being right back where it started, before the Monday night wars and the wrestling boom. And just who is this Randy Orton you're talkings about? Should I know him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted September 23, 2004 I actually think there should be a rule about rating threads being made. If it's mentioned in a news thread, that's great...but it's own thread? C'mon, it's not like it matters. The "Monday Night Wars" are over! The ratings don't mean SHIT anymore. The difference of .1 - .4 each week IS NOTHING TO CONVERSE OVER. How does it affect us, as fans...at all? It doesn't, nor has it ever. If WWE panics because the ratings are low...it'll play out on camera anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2004 "Does this mean that the WWE is so far out of the mainstream now that there aren't any casual viewers left?" I don't believe that is true. However, I've argued in the past that WWE is mainly being supported by the core audience and little else. Nothing they've been doing is either drawing in a lot of new viewers or driving them away. It's curious that the times you'd expect ratings to drop are when they're picking up a little. I guess with fall starting more people are actually staying in and watching TV, which would perhaps offset casuals picking other things to watch. However--it's also possible that Nielson just switched around some of their families, and perhaps that somehow is resulting in the slight differences, or part of it. "People [ie: not WWE staff or networks] still care about ratings?" In the long run, yes; it's interesting to see how a current direction for Raw is panning out as far as the viewership's interest. Week-by-week is kind of negligible, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreatWhiteNope 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2004 Full ratings: http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=5396&p=1 This week's edition of Raw did a 3.7 cable rating, with a 5 share, according to Nielsen Media Research. That is up from last week's 3.6. In an occurrence that can't be encouraging to WWE, the show's peak quarter hour was a 4.0, and it occurred in the first segment. On the whole, the show did hours of 3.8 and 3.6. This clearly shows that Raw lost viewers as the show went on. In other ratings news, Heat did a 0.9 cable rating, with a 1.5 share. In its new time slot, Velocity did a 0.6 cable rating, with a 1.3 share. It should be noted that it lost viewers from a "World's Wildest Police Videos" show that preceded it and did a 1.0. The WWE Experience did a 0.5 cable rating, with a 1.3 share. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2004 It (Velocity) got beat by a WWPV? Makes sense I guess, as that show does appeal to a wider audience, cause hey...who doesn't love a crazy ass car chase? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheLastBoyscout Report post Posted September 23, 2004 Is Randy Orton still a draw? He's still top face. ...to WWE anyway. He seem to be getting good pops to me. Yes, but I'd say Orton's pops are, at the very least, behind HBK and Jericho. HBK, maybe. Jericho? That's debateble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
geniusMoment 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2004 Big deal sid and eugene both got pops, but were ratings killers because they turned off the general fan. Pops mean nothing, hell Hogan got great pops in his comeback but the ratings sucked. Give me someone who brings in ratings over meaningless pops from an increasingly dorky, older and out of touch fan base any day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2004 The real rating to watch is SMACKDOWN. PRAY it doesn't get a good rating. Else Hogan and Austin will have leverage and may RETURN! The last thing we need is Stone Cold running out, hitting 10 stunners, yelling WHAT 20 times and then riding out on a unicycle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest fanofcoils Report post Posted September 23, 2004 Randy Orton is not over at all. This is easily seen when he walks down to the ring during his entrance where the crowd just sits with no reaction unlike other wrestlers such as Jericho, Cena, etc. This is also easily seen based on the rating for the final segment of last week's Raw when it was a handicap match. If Jericho, or Rockwas in a handicap match against Evolution for example, people would watch the math just to see them, even though they have no chance, this is not the case for Orton. It is pathetic how after a week of realizing that Orton is not over, a few people come here and say Orton is or somewhat or whatever. Once again when Orton encounters HHH/Evolution, in a match with HHH/Evolution, or is in a promo about HHH/Evolution it will get a reaction because he is interacting with them. But when it is just Randy Orton there is no reaction as the uncharasmatic face Randy Orton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest fanofcoils Report post Posted September 23, 2004 Hmm, which main event entrance of Raw was more dead last week or this week, hmmm. Overall I say last week because it got no reaction whatsoever, this week you heard girls scream when the music sounded but after that no reaction at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Niggardly King 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2004 So far I just don't like how Orton is being booked like Stone Cold against Evolution. It's the hardpush for him, and all it does is make Evolution look like fools who can't take out a guy they should know every detail about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest fanofcoils Report post Posted September 23, 2004 I think a petition should be started for Orton to not main event/face HHH at Wrestlemania Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
