This is not good

[Guest MikeSC]

1,000 cases of suspicious voter registrations

Lake, Summit officials intend to investigate

Friday, September 24, 2004

Steve Luttner and Michael Scott

Plain Dealer Reporters

 

More than 1,000 voter registration forms and absentee ballot requests may be fraudulent in Lake and Summit counties, where investigations of irregularities are broadening.

 

Lake County Sheriff Daniel Dunlap said Thursday that he will investigate an attempt to register a dead person and other possibly fraudulent documents that were submitted to the Lake County Board of Elections.

 

Dunlap also said he has notified the FBI and the Ohio secretary of state.

 

"We want to make sure the election here in Lake County is the best possible," Dunlap said. "I don't know if this was a concerted effort or if it was just an overzealous, independent person here and there who decided to push the envelope."

 

Elections officials have said hundreds of absentee ballot applications and dozens of voter registration cards are in question. Lake County Prosecutor Charles Coulson, also involved in the probe, said the problems are more significant than originally thought.

 

"We've seen voter fraud before, but never on this level," Coulson said Thursday. "I grew up in Chicago and this looks like the politics of Mayor Daley in the '50s and '60s."

 

Lake election and law enforcement officials said their investigation is centered on absentee registration attempts by the nonpartisan NAACP's National Voter Fund and an anti-Bush, nonprofit group called Americans Coming Together, or ACT Ohio.

 

The National Voter Fund could not be reached Wednesday or Thursday at its Washington, D.C., offices.

 

A spokesman for ACT Ohio, however, said the group believed the allegations would prove groundless.

 

Several registration applications submitted by campaign volunteers for a candidate are also being scrutinized, Lake elections board Director Jan Clair said.

 

None of the officials would identify the candidate, however.

 

Dunlap said the probe will include visits from detectives to addresses of the voters in question.

 

In one other instance, an elderly nursing home resident who usually signs with an "X" appeared to have a firm, cursive signature when she registered.

 

"We are going to have to see who's alive and who's well," Dunlap said.

 

"We're going to have to burn up some shoe leather."

 

In Summit County, meanwhile, the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation has agreed to assist the Sheriff's Department in the examination of 803 suspect voter registration applications.

 

Bryan Williams, director of the Summit County Board of Elections, said high interest in this year's presidential election has resulted in unprecedented numbers of voter registrations, absentee ballot requests and irregular voter applications.

 

Williams said the suspect voter registration applications include some with nonexistent addresses while others from the same street all have the street identically misspelled.

 

Williams said that usually people applying to vote fill out their own cards before signing them, drawing attention to the odd fact that the street name is not spelled correctly.

 

Still other voter registration cards bear strikingly similar handwriting, suggesting one person submitted a group of fraudulent voter registration cards.

 

"We are not certified handwriting experts, but we believe that these were common looking signatures," Williams said.

 

He said there are many groups aggressively trying to register new voters in time for the November election.

 

He said that in most instances, it's difficult to determine what group or individual submitted voter registration cards.

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I guess the Dems are getting ready...

-=Mike

[teke184 0]

What's that saying about cheaters, "They wouldn't get caught if they weren't so fucking greedy?" (The exact quote deals with casino scammers instead)

 

 

Having someone submit requests for entire neighborhood to get absentee ballots IN THE SAME HANDWRITING is just fucking stupid on multiple fronts.

[Vyce 0]

C'mon, Mike, this is fair what they're doing. Someone needs to counteract the Repubs for the MILLIONS of black voters they're disenfranchishing this election.

 

Of course, those are all convicted felons, but still - it's only fair.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Of course guilt is assumed.

 

But still.. I'd say this doesn't go anywhere. But, i'm sure some of you want a reason to try and scrutinize the millions of people registered by groups like ACT. (It's around 200K, I think, in Missouri). None of us have a problem with young people voting, right? even if the odds say they'll overwhelmingly vote for Kerry.

 

For general reference, Coulson is a Democrat. So he'll either be part of the conspiracy or a crusader to the right, depending on the outcome of this.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Wonder if that dead guy is going to vote for Pat Buchanan?...

[Guest MikeSC]

Of course guilt is assumed.

 

But still.. I'd say this doesn't go anywhere. But, i'm sure some of you want a reason to try and scrutinize the millions of people registered by groups like ACT. (It's around 200K, I think, in Missouri). None of us have a problem with young people voting, right? even if the odds say they'll overwhelmingly vote for Kerry.

 

For general reference, Coulson is a Democrat. So he'll either be part of the conspiracy or a crusader to the right, depending on the outcome of this.

Actually, I have a problem with people voting illegally.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Of course guilt is assumed.

 

But still.. I'd say this doesn't go anywhere. But, i'm sure some of you want a reason to try and scrutinize the millions of people registered by groups like ACT. (It's around 200K, I think, in Missouri). None of us have a problem with young people voting, right? even if the odds say they'll overwhelmingly vote for Kerry.

 

For general reference, Coulson is a Democrat. So he'll either be part of the conspiracy or a crusader to the right, depending on the outcome of this.

Actually, I have a problem with people voting illegally.

-=Mike

Still interesting how you open your mouth to swallow anything anti-Democrat. (Unless such a thing is too embarrasing, even for you)

 

Guilty until proven innocent, I'm sure.

 

Will you make another post on this story when it's shown to be groundless?

[Guest MikeSC]

Of course guilt is assumed.

 

But still.. I'd say this doesn't go anywhere. But, i'm sure some of you want a reason to try and scrutinize the millions of people registered by groups like ACT. (It's around 200K, I think, in Missouri). None of us have a problem with young people voting, right? even if the odds say they'll overwhelmingly vote for Kerry.

 

For general reference, Coulson is a Democrat. So he'll either be part of the conspiracy or a crusader to the right, depending on the outcome of this.

Actually, I have a problem with people voting illegally.

-=Mike

Still interesting how you open your mouth to swallow anything anti-Democrat. (Unless such a thing is too embarrasing, even for you)

 

Guilty until proven innocent, I'm sure.

 

Will you make another post on this story when it's shown to be groundless?

Do you want to go into the history of election fraud?

 

I have zero doubt that there are problems. I can only imagine how corrupt oh, say, Oregon's system is.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

yeah.. you can only imagine.. since you have nothing to prove your claim

[Guest MikeSC]

yeah.. you can only imagine.. since you have nothing to prove your claim

No chance of fraud in a vote-by-mail system.

 

No chance at all.

 

And, just to reiterate, the ONLY person who had voters shafted in FL in 2000 was Bush, not Gore.

 

Maybe the GOP should gripe about the Dems oppressing their voters.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

then again, since there's a chance of fraud in every form of election, I guess that means we'll have to get rid of voting. Since if we don't vote, there's no chance of voter fraud.

 

As for Florida in 2000. I'm sure there's a better word than interesting to describe how you're unwilling to at least say that screwy things went both ways. Only the Democrats did bad things, i'm sure.

[Guest MikeSC]

then again, since there's a chance of fraud in every form of election, I guess that means we'll have to get rid of voting. Since if we don't vote, there's no chance of voter fraud.

 

As for Florida in 2000. I'm sure there's a better word than interesting to describe how you're unwilling to at least say that screwy things went both ways. Only the Democrats did bad things, i'm sure.

Except you can't really prove that the GOP did anything --- yet Bush getting fewer votes in Palm Beach County than a House candidate who LOST is real damned suspicious, no?

-=Mike

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Except you can't really prove that the GOP did anything

Well, you can't put those police dogs that chased away legions of black voters on the witness stand.

 

Hell, Bush probably put those pooches to sleep so they won't spill the beans just in case one of them had the power of speech...

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Bush getting fewer votes in Palm Beach County than a House candidate who LOST is real damned suspicious, no?

which candidate would that be?

 

Morris Thompson ®, candidate in the 19th district: 35,202 votes in PB county

Congressman Mark Foley ®, 16th district, 70,124 votes in PB county (he won)

William Lambert ®, 23rd district, 16,320 votes in PB county

Congressman Clay Shaw ®, 22nd district, 36,728 votes in PB county (he won)

 

So, while you stated your point poorly and you were pretty much deceptive, those four men got 158,374 votes while George W. Bush got 152,964 votes in the county. Since there's no chance that a combination four people (including two Congressman) would EVER get more votes than a President.. we'll send this to the proper authorities.

 

BTW.. do you know what number I should call in South Carolina to notify them of a suspicious result?

 

Andrew Brack (D) won 9516 votes in Georgetown county

Al Gore won 9355 votes in Georgetown county

 

Jane Frederick (D) won 25312 votes in Lexington county

Al Gore won 22818 votes in that county

 

It's pretty damned suspicious to me

[Guest MikeSC]

Bush getting fewer votes in Palm Beach County than a House candidate who LOST is real damned suspicious, no?

which candidate would that be?

 

Morris Thompson ®, candidate in the 19th district: 35,202 votes in PB county

Congressman Mark Foley ®, 16th district, 70,124 votes in PB county (he won)

William Lambert ®, 23rd district, 16,320 votes in PB county

Congressman Clay Shaw ®, 22nd district, 36,728 votes in PB county (he won)

 

So, while you stated your point poorly and you were pretty much deceptive, those four men got 158,374 votes while George W. Bush got 152,964 votes in the county. Since there's no chance that a combination four people (including two Congressman) would EVER get more votes than a President.. we'll send this to the proper authorities.

 

BTW.. do you know what number I should call in South Carolina to notify them of a suspicious result?

 

Andrew Brack (D) won 9516 votes in Georgetown county

Al Gore won 9355 votes in Georgetown county

 

Jane Frederick (D) won 25312 votes in Lexington county

Al Gore won 22818 votes in that county

 

It's pretty damned suspicious to me

Sorry, I meant Senate candidate Bill McCollum got more votes than Bush in Palm Beach, not House candidate.

 

BTW, you didn't mention that the 4 Democratic candidates managed to get fewer votes than Gore, which is very much to be expected.

 

Palm Beach had the 2nd highest rate of ballot spoilage in the country.

 

Gore managed to gain 750 votes in Palm Beach during the recount, somehow. A little odd.

 

Gore got more votes in every precinct in Palm Beach than there were Democrats.

 

Bush got no more than 80% of the Republican vote in any precinct in Palm Beach, frequently hitting only 60% of Republicans (which goes against all polling data)

 

Nothing questionable there.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Sorry, I meant Senate candidate Bill McCollum got more votes than Bush in Palm Beach, not House candidate.

Palm Beach county results, Senate candidate v. Presidential Candidate:

 

Bill McCollum - 154.642

George W. Bush - 152,951

 

Bill Nelson - 270,452

Al Gore - 269,732

 

BTW, you didn't mention that the 4 Democratic candidates managed to get fewer votes than Gore, which is very much to be expected.

 

Considering the two congressman in that district.. it's not shocking that the Democratic candidates for the house lagged behind Gore. There was a 57,553 margin between total votes for Congress and President.

 

And there was a margin of 3,202 more votes for the Senate in Palm Beach county.

 

The third party candidates that got 1% of the vote for the Senate race:

 

Joe Simonetta (Natural Law Party, 2,956 votes)

 

Willie Logan (Independent candidate, 4,391 votes)

 

Palm Beach had the 2nd highest rate of ballot spoilage in the country.

 

Not a surprise

 

Gore managed to gain 750 votes in Palm Beach during the recount, somehow. A little odd.

 

He gained 787 votes.. you're allowed to round that up too.

 

I'd imagine in a county with high spoilage.. there will be jumps. Like how Bush got 100 more votes in PBC.

 

Gore got more votes in every precinct in Palm Beach than there were Democrats.

 

Feel free to cite a source.

 

Bush got no more than 80% of the Republican vote in any precinct in Palm Beach, frequently hitting only 60% of Republicans (which goes against all polling data)

 

that too..

[Guest MikeSC]

Gore got more votes in every precinct in Palm Beach than there were Democrats.

 

Feel free to cite a source.

 

Bush got no more than 80% of the Republican vote in any precinct in Palm Beach, frequently hitting only 60% of Republicans (which goes against all polling data)

 

that too..

"Stealing Elections" by John Fund (who ALSO goes off on Republicans who did similar things in other elections).

He gained 787 votes.. you're allowed to round that up too.

 

I'd imagine in a county with high spoilage.. there will be jumps. Like how Bush got 100 more votes in PBC.

An increase for one candidate of that size defies logic --- especially since nowhere else in the state had results close to that.

 

Even more bizarre is that double votes occured, according to election officials, MOST often for ... people voting for Gore and Bush (NOT Gore and Buchanan).

 

Statistician John Lott asked officials to investigate if many people voted for both Gore and Bush AND voted primarily Republican for all of the other offices, since that would indicate a good chance of fraud. The investigation was refused.

 

In fact, for all of the confusion that allegedly occurred, MORE people called in saying they voted for Buchanan by accident than who actually did vote for Buchanan.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

via tomorrow's NYT

 

A sweeping voter registration campaign in heavily Democratic areas has added tens of thousands of new voters to the rolls in the swing states of Ohio and Florida, a surge that has far exceeded the efforts of Republicans in both states, a review of registration data shows.

The analysis by The New York Times of county-by-county data shows that in Democratic areas of Ohio - primarily low-income and minority neighborhoods - new registrations since January have risen 250 percent over the same period in 2000. In comparison, new registrations have increased just 25 percent in Republican areas. A similar pattern is apparent in Florida: in the strongest Democratic areas, the pace of new registration is 60 percent higher than in 2000, while it has risen just 12 percent in the heaviest Republican areas.

 

While comparable data could not be obtained for other swing states, similar registration drives have been mounted in them as well, and party officials on both sides say record numbers of new voters are being registered nationwide. This largely hidden but deadly earnest battle is widely believed by campaign professionals and political scientists to be potentially decisive in the presidential election.

[Guest INXS]

Bush needs to be defeated by any means necessary.

[Guest GreatOne]

And who are you mimicing today, Michael Moore, Bill Maher, or Terry McAuliffe?

[MrRant 0]

Bush needs to be defeated by any means necessary.

By any means necessary eh?

 

OMGPLOTTINGTOASSASSINATETHEPRESIDENTLOLZ2004~!

[2GOLD 0]

Bush needs to be defeated by any means necessary.

 

Ladies and Gentleman, I do believe we have insane statement number 1000 from Inxs

 

Who wants to open the champagne?

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Bush needs to be defeated by any means necessary.

Heh.

 

Malcom inXs...

[AndrewTS 0]

None of us have a problem with young people voting, right? even if the odds say they'll overwhelmingly vote for Kerry.

If they can't name who the vice president is, then I have a problem with them voting.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Oh come on -- it's only the VP...

[Guest MikeSC]

via tomorrow's NYT

 

A sweeping voter registration campaign in heavily Democratic areas has added tens of thousands of new voters to the rolls in the swing states of Ohio and Florida, a surge that has far exceeded the efforts of Republicans in both states, a review of registration data shows.

The analysis by The New York Times of county-by-county data shows that in Democratic areas of Ohio - primarily low-income and minority neighborhoods - new registrations since January have risen 250 percent over the same period in 2000. In comparison, new registrations have increased just 25 percent in Republican areas. A similar pattern is apparent in Florida: in the strongest Democratic areas, the pace of new registration is 60 percent higher than in 2000, while it has risen just 12 percent in the heaviest Republican areas.

 

While comparable data could not be obtained for other swing states, similar registration drives have been mounted in them as well, and party officials on both sides say record numbers of new voters are being registered nationwide. This largely hidden but deadly earnest battle is widely believed by campaign professionals and political scientists to be potentially decisive in the presidential election.

Gee, nothing suspicious HERE at all.

-=Mike

[jesse_ewiak 0]

Of course, they're poor, black, and voting Democratic. It must be somehow corrupt right, Mike? It's not like half the population didn't vote last time around or something.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

via tomorrow's NYT

 

A sweeping voter registration campaign in heavily Democratic areas has added tens of thousands of new voters to the rolls in the swing states of Ohio and Florida, a surge that has far exceeded the efforts of Republicans in both states, a review of registration data shows.

The analysis by The New York Times of county-by-county data shows that in Democratic areas of Ohio - primarily low-income and minority neighborhoods - new registrations since January have risen 250 percent over the same period in 2000. In comparison, new registrations have increased just 25 percent in Republican areas. A similar pattern is apparent in Florida: in the strongest Democratic areas, the pace of new registration is 60 percent higher than in 2000, while it has risen just 12 percent in the heaviest Republican areas.

 

While comparable data could not be obtained for other swing states, similar registration drives have been mounted in them as well, and party officials on both sides say record numbers of new voters are being registered nationwide. This largely hidden but deadly earnest battle is widely believed by campaign professionals and political scientists to be potentially decisive in the presidential election.

Gee, nothing suspicious HERE at all.

-=Mike

sorry.. I was brief there

 

These numbers are similar across Ohio. The Times examined registration from Jan. 1 to July 31 in a sample of counties that included seven of the state's nine largest, along with some smaller rural and suburban counties. Voters do not give a party affiliation when they register in Ohio, but The Times looked at the voting history of ZIP codes to gauge the political inclinations of the new voters.

 

In rock-ribbed Republican areas - 103 ZIP codes, many of them rural and suburban areas, that voted by two to one or better for George W. Bush in 2000 - 35,000 new voters have registered, a substantial increase over the 28,000 that registered in those areas in the first seven months of 2000. The Ohio Republican party said it was pleased with the results.

 

"It's not easy work, but we go door to door in strong Republican precincts, making sure everyone is registered," said Chris McNulty, the state party chairman.

 

But in heavily Democratic areas - 60 ZIP codes mostly in the core of big cities like Cleveland, Dayton, Columbus and Youngstown that voted two to one or better against Mr. Bush - new registrations have more than tripled over 2000, to 63,000 from 17,000.

 

it's conceivable that the voter registration drives are a bit heavier this year than in 2000.

 

and hopefully everything is being conducted legally. But it wouldn't surprise me if some overzealous people's actions will lead to you saying "they all do it!"

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Of course, they're poor, black, and voting Democratic. It must be somehow corrupt right, Mike? It's not like half the population didn't vote last time around or something.

Well if we're going with stupid rhetoric, I'll toss out the theory that perhaps this is the first wave of the Crack Baby Boomers who have just reached voting age and haven't been locked up or killed in the ghetto.

 

Don't mess with the Crack Baby Boomer voting bloc when they drive by your polling place...

[snuffbox 0]

Is John McCain's black baby going to be allowed to vote?