Guest Shoes Head Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 I've always thought that Eminem was a pop star closet case who was about as tough as fresh grits, but the one thing nobody could ever take from him was his wordplay. His "skills" put him near the top of his profession with every album. Even with his techno song "Without Me" - he kept the wordplay and figurative language at a top level. But.....this is unspeakable. He's rhyming one syllable per bar like it's 1992. This track is comparable to something Sir Mix a Lot or MC Hammer would release. I'm not seeing how this is creative or "tight" at all. Definitely the worst song I've heard this year, and the worst song I've ever heard Eminem do, besides those early recordings where he said he wasn't with that "nigger shit." Anyway....I'm shocked at how horrible this is. See for yourselves.
Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 Eh, just another disco song that he puts on albums to be the lead single. As far as his rapping goes, the thing with him is that although he's been remarkably stale for about forever, it's all in the delivery. He sells the crazy fucker thing well enough I suppose. This song, along with another high energy disco song and a serious "damn you for not understanding me" song will sell 5 million units. Plus he's white. He'll probably have a few verses about that being a totally crazy thing even though that wall has gone down years ago. Most skilled pure pop artist of the last 5 years. Something to be proud of indeed...
Guest Shoes Head Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 ^ I might have agreed with that statement 2 years ago.
Nighthawk Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 Exactly. He just got lazy. By the way, I can't tell if he's using a Pee Wee Herman sample in that song, or if he's making that sound himself and just really sounds like him. Either way, that makes it the best song ever
Perfxion Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 Racial mode on: Every first major song her releases is for white people who watch TRL to buy the CD. "My Name Is", "Real Slim Shady", "Purple P(H)ills", "Without Me", "My Band", and whatever the fuck this is called. All these songs fucking suck and all of these songs sell like crazy because its a white boy doing rap. But you think by now he can just release what he wants. Not having to do this stupid setup for each CD. Racial Mode off: His next few singles show off his talent. And his best work is never released off the CD, and for good reason. He would get banned from TV with it.
DCMaximo Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 Actually (although it may just have been the UK he tortured with this one) the first D-12 single wasn't Purple H/Pills, but the aptly titled Shit On You, which was far from commercial
The Man in Blak Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 I wonder if the Bloodhound Gang knows they're being ripped off.
Steviekick Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 I'm going to pass on this album, too. I'll take Common, Talib, and the Roots over Em any day.
Nighthawk Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 Em wanted to rhyme like Common Sense, but he did five mil and ain't been rhyming like Common since.
razazteca Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 He's not pure pop. Videos on MTV Check Has backup chorus on several songs Check Does comedy songs Check Has an established image that he must keep up Check
Nighthawk Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 That's not what pure pop is. Keep in mind, this is not me defending his image, because I don't consider it a bad thing to be considered pure pop.
razazteca Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 Pure pop was Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer.
Guest Shoes Head Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 Pure Pop could be defined as making music where the only intention is to sell it in mass quantities, at the expense of weakening the genre.
Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 Videos on MTV Check Has backup chorus on several songs Check Does comedy songs Check Has an established image that he must keep up Check Satyricon or Dimmu Borgir fill most of that requirement to and I wouldn't call them pop. Sell outs? ...Maybe, although the new Satyricon "Black n Roll" style is big fun. Dimmu has lost their grip on a possibly exciting genre advancement in "Carnival" Black Metal. Anyway, that's a bit of a tangent. As far as nothing being wrong with being pop...absolutely. Go out, make your money, get your swag and your groupies. That's what it's there for in a commercial realm of entertainment. Big ups to anyone who can keep all that together. I just hope none of them actually believe that they're making life altering impacts on the people that hear their stuff. I'll be here to pick up the pieces when realization sets in that the scope of their existence hasn't really been altered that much.
Nighthawk Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 Pure Pop could be defined as making music where the only intention is to sell it in mass quantities, at the expense of weakening the genre. Pure pop is a genre, and there's nothing weak about it.
razazteca Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 Videos on MTV Check Has backup chorus on several songs Check Does comedy songs Check Has an established image that he must keep up Check Satyricon or Dimmu Borgir fill most of that requirement to and I wouldn't call them pop. Sell outs? ...Maybe, although the new Satyricon "Black n Roll" style is big fun. Dimmu has lost their grip on a possibly exciting genre advancement in "Carnival" Black Metal. Anyway, that's a bit of a tangent. As far as nothing being wrong with being pop...absolutely. Go out, make your money, get your swag and your groupies. That's what it's there for in a commercial realm of entertainment. Big ups to anyone who can keep all that together. I just hope none of them actually believe that they're making life altering impacts on the people that hear their stuff. I'll be here to pick up the pieces when realization sets in that the scope of their existence hasn't really been altered that much. Those metal bands will not get their video retired from TRL anytime soon will they?
Nighthawk Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 How do you even know what's on TRL? Are you watching it? I'm ashamed of you.
Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 That wasn't a point for discussion raised in the previous post. And as far as this one...I'm not sure I get what you're arguing.
BUTT Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 Pure Pop could be defined as making music where the only intention is to sell it in mass quantities, at the expense of weakening the genre. Pure pop is a genre, and there's nothing weak about it. I think in terms of "pure pop" rap though, his point is valid. A good example of this would be Ja Rule.
Nighthawk Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 No, you don't weaken the genre to sell, you weaken the genre if you suck. What about Jay-Z? He'd admit to altering his style to sell more records, but he didn't weaken the genre at all.
BUTT Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 Yes, but Jay-Z still managed to maintain some of his credibility and integrity. Some others rappers don't seem to care about that at all.
cue_meanie Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 Em wanted to rhyme like Common Sense, but he did five mil and ain't been rhyming like Common since. Were you trying to compare Jay-Z to Eminem there or what?
Guest NaturalBornThriller4:20 Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 As always, Em releases a song like this as a lead single to sell records. All the best stuff is the later singles and all the other material he doesn't release. For people to call Eminem lazy based off of 1 single doesn't make much sense. Eminem is never lazy, the guy is always busy.
cue_meanie Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 He didnt mean lazy in terms of his work load he meant lyrically lazy, which this song is. But you're right in that you can't judge him yet because you haven't heard the whole CD.
Guest complete confusion Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 I love how Dimmu Borgir is being compared equally with Eminem here. and anyone who knows Em, knows he purposely fucks off the first single because he knows it doesn't matter what the fist single is, it'll sell like crazy and fans will eat it up. He hates the style too but I believe he doesn't want to fuck with the tradition of putting the most poppy song out first to sucker the 15 year olds into buying it... Remember how "The Real Slim Shady" came out and it was a pop loving song...and the fans brought the Marshall Mathers cd and it was all dark and hardcore. The new album will likely follow the same path. I believe Eminem could record him taking a shit and sell it as the first single and the fans will lap it up. Knowing Em, he likely purposely tanked the song to prove a point.
Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye Posted September 26, 2004 Report Posted September 26, 2004 So, when did he become "Em"? Before, or after he fucked your mother? And Dimmu Borgir destroys anything "Em" has ever done. and that's not a metal vs rap thing. I'm sure I'll have to qualify that statement, but at the moment I honestly can't be bothered.
Guest complete confusion Posted September 27, 2004 Report Posted September 27, 2004 I wasn't saying Dimmu was better. I said I just loved the thought of them being equally compared because of the irony. Having seen Dimmu 3 times live and "Em"inem once...Dimmu soundly owns "Em"inem.
ant_7000 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Posted September 27, 2004 The song is garbage, even thou this is his goofy pop single to attract the non rap white crowd. Whats up with Em lately? first he's talking real greasy on tracks after he signed 50 and then those racist tapes and he's swinging from Pac's nuts.
Guest Shoes Head Posted September 27, 2004 Report Posted September 27, 2004 You know, I just pictured this song as a being performed on a demo tape of an unsigned artist instead of Eminem. I don't think there's any A&R director who wouldn't throw it in the trashcan immediately.
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