AmazingRen 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2004 Impact! *In a tournament match to determine the NWA championship challenger at Victory Road, Jeff Hardy rolled up Abyss for the pin as he went for a chokeslam. Hardy advances. *Backstage, Shane Douglas interviewed Team Canada as they demanded an answer about their NWA Tag Team championship shot. *Christopher Daniels came down for a match, and was attacked by Team Canada, which led to America's Most Wanted, Primetime, BG Jammes, and Ron Killings all getting involved in a big brawl. *AJ Styles pinned Roderick Strong with a backflip off the turnbuckles into a DDT. *Roddy Piper returned to TNA, saying that he "made wrestling" and announcing that he would be at the Victory Road PPV on 11/7. *NWA champion Jeff Jarrett was interviewed backstage about the Raven vs. Monty Brown match on Impact!, warning both to remember that "TNA is my world." *Monty Brown pinned Raven in the second match of the NWA championship shot tournament. There were ECW chants during the match, which went into the crowd. It will be Brown vs. Hardy for the Victory Road championship match on the Impact! that airs on Friday 10/15. Credit=PWInsider Only 3 matches this week so I hope this means the wrestlers got more time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest tnamark Report post Posted October 6, 2004 Jeff Hardy sucks and him going over Abyss is a joke. I bet that Hardy went over because he threatened to leave TNA if not. I was hoping for Abyss vs. Monty Brown or Raven in the final. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slimm44 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2004 Again with Hardy vs. Brown? Ughh I'm also surprised with how short this show sounds. Hoepfully the promos, and Pipers segment are not just a couple minutes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Astro101 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2004 Wow...only three matches. That's different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Phenom Report post Posted October 6, 2004 This should be the new Impact logo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magus 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2004 You're giving us Brown vs. Hardy AGAIN???? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU, TNA????? Didn't they get the memo that Brown vs. Hardy was a shitty match to begin with? Now they want to do it again, especially by having them go over two superior workers in Abyss and Raven? In other news, Piper did what I knew he would: NOTHING. Jarrett summed up TNA with the "its my world" thing. Truer words were never spoken. Fuck this company, they'll be dead soon anyway as long as they're putting out shit like this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2004 The spoilers on Inside Pulse said that Ruffy Silverstein (another D'Amore protege) was in as a fourth for Team Canada. He's decent enough, from what I remember of BCW... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AmazingRen 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2004 More detailed report: TNA Impact tapings October 5, 2004 Orlando, Fla. at Universal Studios Report by Danney Robertson, PWTorch.com correspondent TNA produced a stellar episode of Impact tonight. This week's Impact is truly the best they have ever produced and I hope they stay on this track. Anyway, on to the results. Jimmy Hart made his return to the Impact Zone this week and gave his usual speech. He then introduced Jeremy Borash which was almost immediately followed by the opening to Impact. IMPACT TAPINGS (1) Jeff Hardy beat Abyss with a roll up. Okay match that saw Abyss dominate throughout most of the match. Hardy got the win when he rolled Abyss up during a chokeslam attempt. They gave this match plenty of time and I can't complain about that. Tonight saw Hardy give his worst performance since he joined TNA. He was just awful and the crowd let him know how they felt. I think he has lost almost all of the people that supported him when he first came in. There are very few that actually still cheer him. There was even an audible "We want Matt" chant. Promo aired promoting the coming of the New York Connection. Christopher Daniels and James Storm came out but were interrupted by Scott D’Amore. The tag team champions were then attacked from behind by Team Canada. They brawled at ringside and then into the ring. Chris Harris and Primetime tried to make the save but were overpowered by Team Canada. This brought out the 3 Live Kru which sent Team Canada out of the ring and up the ramp. There was a funny moment during the break when one of the Hawaiian Tropics models was going to throw out a T-Shirt. She was walking to a different section and some kid reached over and just flat out took it and ran away. (2) A.J. Styles beat Roderick Strong. Really good back and forth match that saw Strong hit some unique looking offensive maneuvers. Styles got the win with his flipover inverted DDT. One thing I don't understand is why the crowd is more or less indifferent to Styles. He can usually earn their cheers by the end of his matches but he hardly gets any response at all when he comes out. Promo aired promoting Petey Williams versus A.J. Styles at Victory Road. They were dubbing it the Canadian Destroyer versus the Styles Clash. Roddy Piper came out and the roof blew off the arena. This was the loudest I’ve ever heard the fans at the tapings. Piper then proceeded to cut one heck of a promo. He talked about all the things he’s done in his career and said that at Victory Road he will have a very special guest in Piper's Pit. Awesome promo. Very emotional and heartfelt. The crowd absolutely loved Piper. Promo in the back with Jeff Jarrett discussing the Outsiders coming to Victory Road. (3) Monty Brown beat Raven with the Pounce. Solid match with some good psychology by Raven. I won't say that is wasn't slow in spots ( it even got the first boring chant I’ve ever heard at the tapings ) but it was a solid brawl. After the match the two number one contenders and Jarrett stared each other down. There was also another match announced for Victory Road. A 20 man international X-Division gauntlet match. They then changed the set around. They had the contract signing for the Russ Rollins & Dusty Rhodes versus Jarrett and Johnny B Badd match at Miss Monster here in Orlando. It turned into a brawl and saw Russ Rollins get powerbombed through a table. XPLOSION TAPINGS (1) 3 Live Kru beat three local guys. First squash of the night that saw the 3 Live Kru get the win with their triple team maneuver. Short match that livened the crowd back up. Their gimmick may be outdated but it can still bring the crowd up a little. They show a video recapping the problems between Dusty Rhodes and Vince Russo. Promo in the ring with Mike Tenay and Larry Zbyszko. They talked about Dusty which of course brought him out. Kid Kash then came out and ran down Dusty. Dusty then attacked Kash. Dallas made the save and they beat up on Dusty until the Truth made the save for Dusty. Fun little segment. (2) Kazarian & Michael Shane beat Jarell Clark & Mikey Batts. Good back and forth match that saw Shane and Kazarian get the win with a superkick legsweep combo. Crowd could really have cared less for Clark and Batts. They then showed a promo for Sonjay Dutt. Somebody has been busy with all these taped promos that they aired this week. (3) Chris Sabin & The Amazing Red & Sonny Siaki beat Alex Shelly & two local guys. Really good fast paced match. Sabin got the win for his team with his finisher. Promo in the back where Team Canada introduced their newest member. Didn't catch his name but he was trained in Stu Hart's dungeon. (4) Team Canada beat Triple X and America's Most wanted. Someone called and told me the results of this match. They said that Team Canada got the win and that it was a pretty good match. That's it for tonight. Biggest Pops: 1. Roddy Piper 2. 3 Live Kru 3. After that everyone was about even. I think the t-shirt throwing would have come in third. Most Heat: 1. Team Canada 2. Kid Kash 3. Jeff Hardy Notes: Really good episode of Impact tonight. This is how Impact should have been all along. Matches that told a story, solid promotion of Victory Road, and an amazing promo by Piper made for an awesome show. Piper really seemed to enjoy being there and his promo seemed heartfelt. Good show tonight, it's definitely worth catching. Credit=PWTorch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Decadent Slacker Report post Posted October 6, 2004 Sounds interesting. Better than last weeks at any rate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Donners Report post Posted October 6, 2004 Good to hear Piper got a strong response. Three matches without a squash, at least one between two very talented wrestlers and further build for Victory Road? Sounds good to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2004 Ending is obvious now. Jarrett comes down, hits either Brown or Hardy with a guitar. Ref rings bell, we play it up as "OMG WHO GETS THE SHOT?!?!" Jarrett gets cocky, says he decides who gets the shot. Play up the Outsiders BS. Russo comes out, says that the committee has decided on Brown getting the shot. Dusty comes down, pissed. Pushes Russo and demands to know who decided Brown, Russo tells him Funk. Dusty just storms to the back, Russo forgets Jarrett is still in the ring. Jarrett nails Russo with the guitar to get more heat blah blah blah. TNA announces Funk will be at the show next week, Funk shows up and Dusty gets in his face and that eventually breaks down setting up Funk vs Dusty at Victory Road in a "feud for the ages" bull. And then Russo announces maybe Dusty was right and decides Jeff Hardy deserves the shot. Brown is pissed, wondering what happens to him. Russo tells him he never said Brown was out, it will be a three way dance at Victory Road. Now JJ is pissed, he'll come out and blah. Hardy will come out and attack Jarret, he'll lay him out, Brown will lay out Hardy and pose with the belt. And then we all live unhappily ever after when the company gets dumb and gives the belt to Hardy at VR. The End. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Open the Muggy Gate 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2004 If TNA wants to do the ring thing, they give the title to the hottest guy going right now. Right now, I see that as being Monty Brown. MONTY BROWN FOR WORLD CHAMPION! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted October 6, 2004 Because taking the belt off a mediocre worker and putting it on a worse one is always a good idea....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mecha Mummy 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2004 *Sigh.* Raven's never getting the belt, is he? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Open the Muggy Gate 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2004 Because taking the belt off a mediocre worker and putting it on a worse one is always a good idea....... Yeah... but he's got the POOOOOOOOOOOOOOUNCE~!, and he's over with the crowd. And there can be worse champions than Monty.... like say.... Jeff Hardy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigSwigg 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2004 *Sigh.* Raven's never getting the belt, is he? We'll see Johnny B. Badd with the belt before Raven. And haven't we heard enough of Jarrett calling TNA his world? I know it's true, but geez, it's like McMahon walking out every week saying "Since I own WWE, which means that I make all the decisions, I'm gonna do this...." It's pointless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mecha Mummy 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2004 I don't get why they keep up hope that anyone will give a shit about Hardy. The crowd's turning on him, he can't wrestle, he can't cut a promo, and he doesn't deserve a top spot. I mean, you can make a case for Monty Brown. He's charismatic, his finisher is over, and you can market him as a legitimate athlete and get him on shows like Best Damn Sports Show Period. Sure, he's not a good worker, but at least he has upsides. But Hardy has no redeeming value at this point. He should have just jobbed to someone who could have benefitted from the win (Like, say, Kid Kash.) and then left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TNABaddboi 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2004 Because taking the belt off a mediocre worker and putting it on a worse one is always a good idea....... DK, I would be with you if we were talking about the X-belt, because I firmly believe the X champ should always be an awesome worker, but IMO, the World champ doesn't need to be. He needs to be over and be able to draw emotion from a crowd, to make them react to what he does. So in this instance, I wouldn't look at it as taking the belt off a mediocre worker and putting it on a worse one. I would look at it as taking the belt off an unover worker and putting it on someone the crowd reacts too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magus 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2004 I will agree that I'm glad there were no squash matches. Three important or just plain good matches works better than five meaningless squashes. I'd rather Monty go over Jarrett at Victory Road. Monty at least has charisma and he gets cheers. He's not who I'd pick, but he's better than Hardy or Jarrett at this point. Or maybe this is all just so Jarrett can bury YET ANOTHER wrestler on his roster. It'll probably happen this way, actually. At least when the Outsiders show up and start politicking, we'll get to see some semi-interesting stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted October 6, 2004 Because taking the belt off a mediocre worker and putting it on a worse one is always a good idea....... DK, I would be with you if we were talking about the X-belt, because I firmly believe the X champ should always be an awesome worker, but IMO, the World champ doesn't need to be. He needs to be over and be able to draw emotion from a crowd, to make them react to what he does. So in this instance, I wouldn't look at it as taking the belt off a mediocre worker and putting it on a worse one. I would look at it as taking the belt off an unover worker and putting it on someone the crowd reacts too. Now don't get me wrong......I would normally agree with you on something like this. But here is the reality of things. TNA is debuting on PPV with Victory Road and they have to set up a main event(for conversations sake, we'll assume that Jarrett will lose the title at Victory Road)that will be the major selling point of the Pay Per View. They have to put a major point over that their company is where it's a for professional wrestling and honestly and truly give a WWE alternative. Now putting Jarrett in a title match against Monty Brown totally kills that off. Jarrett being the rather mediocre worker that he is will having a problem carrying Brown to anything over ** and if he does better than that.....kudos to Jeff. Also, if you don't think that Jarrett is an overrated worker, please someone tell me the last time he had a match over ***? Anyway, for a company trying to make a new first impression on a wrestling audience(and that a paying one that probably likes WRESTLING), is this the kind of main event you want to have people associate your company with? Not unless you want to present the same thing that people get on TV everyweek from the WWE which promotes diluted, stale, predictable, second rate wrestling and story heavy programming(TNA has surely shown that they simply don't have the creative minds to even come up with crappy WWE-like angles). So what are the fans left with? A $29.99 charge on their cable/satellite bill that isn't any better than anything they can see on TV for free. So there you have most of the negatives to even have that as the main event............ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Donners Report post Posted October 7, 2004 At the same time, the best-quality main events are not always the best-drawing ones, for reasons which still elude me. Brown has the sort of magnetism that can draw people in, regardless of his in-ring work. If the undercard is very strong (and AJ vs. Petey is a good start), then it should work out. It also makes his push over the last few months worthwhile, and shows a definate intent of TNA to make another home-grown main eventer. If it's Hardy...well, that's a different matter. For a Hardy/Jarrett main event to work, he has to do something he has not done in TNA - ie. stop going through the motions and actually put his arse on the line, like he did in his most memorable matches. If he's not willing to do that, then just get rid of him, because he's of no value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted October 7, 2004 The problem with Brown, though, is that fans are only interested in his entrance and when he hits the Pounce. That's IT. They're pretty dead afterwords, which is the exact same thing that happened with Goldberg. We all know how Goldberg got (ex-football player that never amounted to much in the NFL, turns pro wrestler and gets over because of charisma and squash matches, totally exposed as the incredibly limited worker he is in longer matches, popularity decreases because his push was based on squashing people, ego backstage, etc.). I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Monty can look like a monster by still selling, improving his moveset, and NOT squashing people. Abyss has been booked as one of the toughest workers in TNA to beat, because he both has that presence to him and has won the majority of his matches. However, Abyss has had FEW squashes before Impact began, and he is still one of the most over people on the roster. Monty should be the charismatic, talking equivalent of Abyss: a monster in the ring that sells, does more than two poorly-done moves, and isn't pushed to the moon because a few people pop for him during squashes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted October 7, 2004 Good points Laz, Here is also something else to think about as far as this goes. Who's over or not on the show isn't exactly what the PPV ordering audience is thinking either. There is no possible way for them to tell me that TNA is booking to the crowds liking considering the limited areas they promote in. The "hardcores" of TNA are based in Nashville, and even though they weren't selling out that buiding there......some people bought tickets. Everything at Orlando is GIVEN away, and they make ZERO dollars from attendance, let alone anything else. In all of this, I am basically trying to say that for them to continue to exist they are going to have to change a LOT of things with the company. Here are a few examples...... Realign the roster and get rid of the dead weight. - First and foremost, why wouldn't this be the first step. Time to trim the fat and off the top of my head here are some of the people you would no longer see in my TNA: Glen Gilberti - Honestly, how many chances can we give this man? Johnny Swinger - It seems like injuries were starting to catch up with Swinger over his last stint in TNA. That, and he was going nowhere fast in a hula skirt. Pat Kinney/Simon Diamond - Not that he was the greatest before the name change....but........Name change = Career Death......at least for Kinney... Jeff Hardy - Cash Cow. Bye Bye. Erik Watts - See above(ex. Glen Gilberti)\ Johnny Fairplay - Why was he here REALLY? Vince Russo - ..... Dutch Mantell - His booking = ass. Dusty Rhodes - I like Dusty and all, but c'mon.....let's be serious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bottyboy Report post Posted October 7, 2004 Off topic; Is Roddy Piper really a homosexual? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted October 7, 2004 Off topic; Is Roddy Piper really a homosexual? You'll have to ask his wife. The problem with Brown, though, is that fans are only interested in his entrance and when he hits the Pounce. That's IT. They're pretty dead afterwords, which is the exact same thing that happened with Goldberg. We all know how Goldberg got (ex-football player that never amounted to much in the NFL, turns pro wrestler and gets over because of charisma and squash matches, totally exposed as the incredibly limited worker he is in longer matches, popularity decreases because his push was based on squashing people, ego backstage, etc.). A lot of people have forgotten that Goldberg was at one point the most over guy in the world, and it was at a time when wrestling was still very hot. Fans would chant Goldberg's name throughout entire telecasts, even one's that he wasn't on. Monty is nowhere near that level, not even in a bush-league TNA way. He's just not over enough to make up for his inexperience and lack of ability. Goldberg, for a short period of time, was. They've really booked themselves into a corner here. They haven't pushed Monty to the point of being a credible champ, yet they can't afford to kill his momentum, as he is the only guy right now in a position to really get over. This leaves TNA with one choice: Screwball ending, Jarrett keeps his belt, Monty keeps his steam. It's a terrible, terrible ending for their first PPV, but it's their own fault for not leaving themselves more options. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted October 7, 2004 But Piper's been known to bring boys around to do his slave work and they've been rumored to help him with sexual favors. Piper comes off as a flaming homosexual when I see him. He wears a dress to the ring. He likes body paint. He has a historical feuds with homosexual characters (Goldust, Adonis). I think he asks the bookers to put him in homosexual storylines so that he can get himself off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magus 0 Report post Posted October 7, 2004 I doubt Jarrett will lose the belt to Monty, and TNA isn't smart enough to have Monty lose and keep his heat at the same time. With the bigger names coming in, Jarrett will probably want to start having fueds with them anyways. Its downright stupid, but that is what will happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Donners Report post Posted October 7, 2004 I'm thinking that if anybody is going to win the belt from Jarrett, it'll be Brown. He has been booked very strongly (in terms of making him look like a monster - not saying he's been booked effectively, lest Corey rant again) for many months now. Since JJJ would be at least partly behind that, it's a fair assumption that he would have big plans for Brown. Plus it wouldn't make Jarrett look bad either going down to a monster, as opposed to somebody like Hardy. Then again, it's entirely possible Brown is being built up purely to do the job to Jarrett, which would piss off even me. I could deal with him losing if he is made to look good, but any less than that would be an absolute waste. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted October 8, 2004 Piper comes off as a flaming homosexual when I see him. He wears a dress to the ring. Kilt. Biiiiig difference. But, of course, since everybody's so quick to dismiss the tradition of the kilt as being a "skirt," I'd expect no less. He likes body paint. So does Tom Savini. And? He has a historical feuds with homosexual characters (Goldust, Adonis). Wouldn't call the feud with Goldust "historical," nor the character of Goldust "homosexual." I think he asks the bookers to put him in homosexual storylines so that he can get himself off. And I think you're an idiot, so we're even. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bottyboy Report post Posted October 8, 2004 Well I do believe Piper is gay-ish, i'll just leave it at that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
