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The ALCS: New York Yankees vs. Boston Red Sox

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Guest Anglesault
It's like being a jobber who got lucky once.

Ooh, he just called the Braves Chris Jericho!

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It's like being a jobber who got lucky once.

They made it to the World Series 4 times in 5 years. (Not counting 94)

 

How is that a 'jobber' making into baseball's grandest stage at that rate?

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I think the Braves are HBK if anything. A team once dominant, now just hanging on year after year through some fluke.

 

Despite them making it to the big time seemingly all the time- they just can't win it no matter how many chances they get.

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Guest Anglesault
Who would the Yanks be then? Shawn Michaels? The aging oft-injured hasbeen that doesn't know when to quit and only hangs on due to the boss.

I think we're the Undertaker. The guy that you always think can win it, but also know may not.

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I view Taker as HBK with less talent. Most of what I said about Shawn applies to him too. Except Taker went back to a dead-end gimmick in an attempt to hit the big time once again, when he had been slowly improving as a wrestler for a couple of years prior.

 

Maybe he's the Cubs?

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Guest Brian

Undertaker wouldn't job the title to expansion teams. That's like him against WCW guys, and we all know how that went...

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The Braves are definitely Chris Jericho. Always make it close to the Main Event, or actually does Main Event, and got lucky once.

 

The Red Sox would be Eddie Guerrero? Year after year they bust their ass, only to come up short, until this year, when they finally break through. And like Eddie, they have a little circus act to them.

 

The Yanks are Taker I guess. We usually take care of the jobbers, and have had a dominant run, but have lost to Brock Lesnar (Angels) and the D-Backs(?). Or would the Marlins be Lesnar?

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Guest Anglesault

Holy shit, I just had a hell of a nightmare.

 

We were in a battle with the Red Sox for the pennant, and our big bats did nothing but hit pop ups.

 

....

 

 

I'll never forgive this team

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Guest LooneyTune
BOSTON (Oct. 21) -- A college student died Thursday of a head injury suffered in a clash between police officers and a crowd of Red Sox fans who poured into the streets outside Fenway Park to celebrate their team's victory over the New York Yankees.

 

Victoria Snelgrove, a 21-year-old journalism major at Emerson College, was among 16 people hurt in the revelry in Boston. The injured also included a police officer.

 

Most of the injuries were minor, but Snelgrove suffered a severe head wound as police tried to subdue the crowd, authorities said. Mayor Tom Menino told WBZ-AM that she was struck by a "non-lethal weapon," but he did not elaborate.

 

David Procopio, a spokesman for the district attorney, said the office is investigating whether the student's injuries "were sustained in any way during crowd control measures."

 

Eight arrests were reported during the Boston celebration. The crowd set several small fires and numerous fights broke out, police said.

 

Elsewhere, 29 people were arrested at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst after revelers threw beer cans and flaming toilet paper at police. And at the university's Dartmouth campus, about 2,000 people had to be dispersed by police using stun grenades.

 

In New Hampshire, police made about 15 disorderly-conduct arrests as crowds swarmed the campus of Plymouth State University and surrounding neighborhoods.

 

Got this from my AOL news...I don't frequent General Chats, so maybe this was posted elsewhere.

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Hoo boy, wrestling analogies in baseball...

 

Anyways, another thing I'm glad about is that hopefully this will be the end of ringless veterans signing with the Yankees expecting an "automatic" championship (see also: 2003 Lakers syndrome)

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Guest Anglesault
Hoo boy, wrestling analogies in baseball...

 

Anyways, another thing I'm glad about is that hopefully this will be the end of ringless veterans signing with the Yankees expecting an "automatic" championship (see also: 2003 Lakers syndrome)

Ironically, a good deal of our new veterans this year have a ring from some point or another.

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I think if the Sox lose the Series, people will still remember the ALCS the way they remember the 1951 Pennant Race (Bobby Thomson's HR).  No one remembers the Giants got swept by the Yankees that year.  They just remember Giants/Dodgers.

Very true.

 

Al, do you think of the Sox's remarkable comeback here as some kind of vindication for the Sabermetric Revolution? Billy Beane, Epstein, and the like get put down by popular baseball media folks, who still cling to the notion that sacrifice bunts are worthwhile. Does this give Beane, Epstein, et al the vindication they need, or will that only come with a World Series win?

Not at all. The media has already determined that the Sabermetric Revolution is bunk, and no level of evidence to the contrary is going to convince them otherwise. Which is good. The longer the rest of baseball doesn't figure out how to run a team, the longer the Oakland Athletics can make fools of them.

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The longer the rest of baseball doesn't figure out how to run a team, the longer the Oakland Athletics can make fools of them.

Great, we can have teams figure out how to just get to the playoffs and then fall of the map

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The longer the rest of baseball doesn't figure out how to run a team, the longer the Oakland Athletics can make fools of them.

Great, we can have teams figure out how to just get to the playoffs and then fall of the map

And the big market Yankees have figured out the path to success?

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Toronto is more like Eddy Guerrero than Boston. Once one of top in the world they were destroyed by drugs/Gord Ash and by being held down by those above. They exorcised those demons and finally looked like they were ready to break through as of March 2004, but by June they had recieved a nice swift kick to the gonnads.

 

Boston is more like Chris Benoit. Beloved, but constantly held down until finally breaking through this year. Chris Benoit's WCW Title reign represents all the times Boston could taste victory but ended up losing.

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Also, to go back to something earlier, can someone remind me what happened at the '93 ASG with Gaston and Mussina?

 

the only thing from that game I remember is Randy Johnson tossing at Kruk's head

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Also, to go back to something earlier, can someone remind me what happened at the '93 ASG with Gaston and Mussina?

 

the only thing from that game I remember is Randy Johnson tossing at Kruk's head

Basically, Cito Gaston did not use Mike Mussina in his hometown park.

 

Boxscore

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Gaston brings in Duane Ward to close the game for the AL, but Mussina on his own accord starts warming up in the bullpen. This gets the crowd and the American media in general to completely turn on Gaston, since the game was in Baltimore. It was a completely selfish move on behalf of Mussina.

 

Nothing would have happened if Mussina just sat his ass on the bench like he was told to.

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I'm getting two stories here

 

Who was in the wrong?

 

Tom and Al say it's Cito, but Kahran seems emphatic that Mussina was wrong

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Kahran's Canadian, so that may count for something.

 

I think that Mussina should have pitched in his hometown. I see that side more than the other one.

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I'm getting two stories here

 

Who was in the wrong?

 

Tom and Al say it's Cito, but Kahran seems emphatic that Mussina was wrong

Mussina may have been wrong. I'm just saying why the fans were upset. There's two sides to every story, and there is probably a little truth in both.

 

Its worth noting that the game started the trend of using every player in the game, which eventually led to the 2002 All Star Game debacle.

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Mussina has admitted it, and Tom isn't arguing that point at all. He just says that Cito should have put him in anyways. I say that Mussina shouldn't have been warming up in the first place.

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