The Countdown to Beltran with Yankees Topic

[The Man in Blak 0]

Did I mention that Gregg Zaun is three years younger than Flaherty?

[The Czech Republic 0]

Dr. Tom and Al Keiper think they are the baseball know it all shiznits.

Probably because they kinda are, guy.

 

Here's my contribution to the thread:

[Brett Favre 0]

[The Czech Republic 0]

You think I'm funny, eh.

 

 

ph34r.

[Der Kommissar 0]

Well sue me for not wanting Greg piece of shit Zaun on the team I root for.

 

What's so bad about him? He may not have the home run hitting power of Flaherty, but he had a .367 OBP to Flaherty's .286. That certainly seems rather significant to me. If I wanted someone to get on base in a pinch hitting situation, I'd be more apt to trust Zaun over Flaherty. Plus, he's younger, so I'd guess there is a better chance he won't decline as much as a 37 year old Flaherty would next year. And if Zaun's a "piece of shit," I'd hate to see what Flaherty is.

 

Dr Tom and Al Keiper think they are the baseball know it all shiznits.

 

Well, call me crazy, but I'd rather take the baseball advice of someone like Al, who can back up his beliefs with stats, over someone who refers to Kevin Millar as a not a so nice word for a homosexual, and goes on baseless rants about how the Yankees should fire the entire front office and the coaching staff despite having the second best record in baseball and coming within one win of going to the World Series.

 

Again, maybe I'm just crazy.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

You know what forget all of you. I cant stand the arrogance on this board. Dr Tom and Al Keiper think they are the baseball know it all shiznits. God forbid I have my own fucking beliefs. Big Fucking Deal. What a crime that is. I guess that makes me stupid for not wanting Odalis Perez the second coming of Pedro Martinez. You know look at how well Vasquez did in the national league? Look at how well Kevin Brown did in the national league. I guess I am a fucking moron because online geniuses like Dr. Tom and Al Keiper who spend all of their time on a fucking website say so. Well sue me for not wanting Greg piece of shit Zaun on the team I root for.

If you think Odalis Perez, Wilson Alvarez, and Gregg Zaun are undesireable players to have on your team, that is your opinion, and you are welcome to it. But given that this is a discussion forum, you should be prepared to defend that opinion, possibly with statistics and evidence. You should also recognize that the Yankees must make some roster decisions. If not Perez and Alvarez, who SHOULD they sign? As Man In Blak said, they certainly need an upgrade over Felix Heredia.

 

Will Scarlet and Czech Republic, thank you for your kind comments.

[mike546 0]

According to ESPN Insider, Brown wants out of NY.

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

don't worry cpac, I think Al's a tool.

 

I don't get this urge to dump Brown. The're gonna have to eat a huge chunk of his salary, and then drop another chunk on a guy like Pavano or Perez, who may not even be any better next year than Brown is.

[CanadianChris 0]

I am a fucking moron

At the heart of every argument, there's a kernel of truth.

 

As for Brown, I'm not surprised. I didn't think he could handle the New York pressure cooker in the first place.

[Guest cpac]

Great I am glad Kevin Brown wants out of NY as much as I want him out. He is such a Gutless pussy. I loved seeing him after game 3 and how embarassed he was. What a dumb fuck he is. Guy let his teammates down, management and the fans down. Too bad he didn't break his pitching hand. Maybe the Yankees might have won this series, who knows.

[The Czech Republic 0]

He is such a Gutless pussy.

Choken One moved to NY?

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Great I am glad Kevin Brown wants out of NY as much as I want him out. He is such a Gutless pussy. I loved seeing him after game 3 and how embarassed he was. What a dumb fuck he is. Guy let his teammates down, management and the fans down. Too bad he didn't break his pitching hand. Maybe the Yankees might have won this series, who knows.

Just out of curiosity, do gutless pussies usually pitch with badly broken hands?

[mike546 0]

Great I am glad Kevin Brown wants out of NY as much as I want him out.  He is such a Gutless pussy.  I loved seeing him after game 3 and how embarassed he was.  What a dumb fuck he is.  Guy let his teammates down, management and the fans down.  Too bad he didn't break his pitching hand.  Maybe the Yankees might have won this series, who knows.

Just out of curiosity, do gutless pussies usually pitch with badly broken hands?

No.

 

But retarded pitchers break that hand by punching a wall in the clubhouse.

 

[Guest Brian]

Can I be a gutless pussy? I played six innings of JV at third with a stress fractures in my ankle (and I was three for four after a horrible slide in the first).

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

True.

 

I think the Yankees problem was their defense. It's one thing when one pitcher struggles. But their entire staff struggled despite posting the third best K:BB ratio in the league. They allowed more hits than you'd expect. That indicates a problem with the defense.

[mike546 0]

That's quite odd though.

 

Jeter had his best Defensive year ever. A-Rod had a great year at 3rd. Olerud and Clark are both great at 1st, and Cairo is great at 2nd.

 

I'd guess most of it comes from the outfield, where Bernie had no range, Matsui and Lofton couldn't co-exist, and Sheff couldn't bring his shoulder above his head.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

That's quite odd though.

 

Jeter had his best Defensive year ever. A-Rod had a great year at 3rd. Olerud and Clark are both great at 1st, and Cairo is great at 2nd.

 

I'd guess most of it comes from the outfield, where Bernie had no range, Matsui and Lofton couldn't co-exist, and Sheff couldn't bring his shoulder above his head.

Except for Tony Clark, the Yankees didn't have any defenders who ranked above average in Range Factor. Range factor has many faults, but I think that's telling. Cairo is just an average defender. I think Bernie Williams is the main issue with the group.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Jeez, not even A-Rod? He used to be great defensively.

 

Great I am glad Kevin Brown wants out of NY as much as I want him out. He is such a Gutless pussy. I loved seeing him after game 3 and how embarassed he was. What a dumb fuck he is. Guy let his teammates down, management and the fans down. Too bad he didn't break his pitching hand. Maybe the Yankees might have won this series, who knows.

 

If Brown wasn't going to start Game 7, Vasquez would have, and you saw how well he did in that game. The Yankees did not lose soley because of Kevin Brown.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Jeez, not even A-Rod? He used to be great defensively.

 

Win Shares gives him more credit than range factors, and in fact considers him the best defensive 3Bman in the AL. Its not an exact science.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Jeez, not even A-Rod? He used to be great defensively.

 

Win Shares gives him more credit than range factors, and in fact considers him the best defensive 3Bman in the AL. Its not an exact science.

Ok. Thanks for explaining.

[Guest Anglesault]

I didn't think he could handle the New York pressure cooker in the first place.

I'm a little sick of hearing that. NY isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be. We don't demand from a person what they can't deliver.

[JasonX 0]

Regarding Gregg Zaun, he's better than Flaherty in terms of defense, with a better CS% (.277 vs. .233) and a better CERA (4.76 to 4.93). On top of that, Zaun showed that he could hit this year - he had a higher OPS than John Flaherty (.761 to .750), primarily due to an OBP that was 81 points that Flaherty's (.365 OBP for Zaun). Zaun's not going to win the MVP anytime soon, but he is a better option than Flaherty, clutch performances or not.

One problem with Zaun and John Flaherty: Why keep/sign BOTH of them when they'll never get any playing time? I mean, what's the fucking point of having a back-up catcher when that over-rated piece of shit Jorge Posada is the only catcher that the idiots in the Yankees organization will ever let play?

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Regarding Gregg Zaun, he's better than Flaherty in terms of defense, with a better CS% (.277 vs. .233) and a better CERA (4.76 to 4.93).  On top of that, Zaun showed that he could hit this year - he had a higher OPS than John Flaherty (.761 to .750), primarily due to an OBP that was 81 points that Flaherty's (.365 OBP for Zaun).  Zaun's not going to win the MVP anytime soon, but he is a better option than Flaherty, clutch performances or not.

One problem with Zaun and John Flaherty: Why keep/sign BOTH of them when they'll never get any playing time? I mean, what's the fucking point of having a back-up catcher when that over-rated piece of shit Jorge Posada is the only catcher that the idiots in the Yankees organization will ever let play?

How is Jorge Posada overrated? He had a .400 OBP this season. He's one of the five best catchers in baseball.

 

In any case, he played 137 games this season. Flaherty played 47 games, which is what I'd expect from a backup catcher. Flaherty hasn't topped a .300 OBP since 1999. Now, you have two catchers, one of which is 10% more likely to not make an out. Which one do you play. Are the Yankees really idiots for playing Posada over Flaherty.

[Jericholic82 0]

what we need is starters who can go 6-7 innings. I believe that is a major reason why they blew a 3-0 lead. if el duque had gotten out of the inning where the sox scored in game 4 (they had two chances for a dp which would have ended the inning and scoring chance) maybe rivera wouldnt have had to come in till the 9th (where he should be) tom gordon had nothing left in the postseason, that shows me that they need more effective starters and other middle relivers to fill in the holes if a strater has to leave early.

 

Id say keep sturtze becuase he did a great job out of the bullpen this year for the most part and can be good as a spot starter and long relief if a starter gets chased early.

 

 

 

you know for a team that won 101 games and came within 3 outs of reaching the world series , there were a lot of holes.

 

 

no wells, I lost all respect and confidence

for him when he screwed us in game 5 of the ws last year

 

pedro? no he wouldnt be good for morale and I dont think he has much left in him

 

derek lowe? yes, a sinkerballer who has shown he can be clutch in the big game situations

 

 

maybe they should just trade giambi back to oakland where he belongs (im not saying i hate him, but he does fit there better) and get one of their big three pitchers like hudson, mulder, or zito

 

 

 

 

and the sadness has subsided, yea I guess I should be happy that my team has a chance to win every year, but blowing a 3-0 lead is beyond stupidity

 

 

lets just wait and see what the wrath of george will bring

[the max 0]

maybe they should just trade giambi back to oakland where he belongs (im not saying i hate him, but he does fit there better) and get one of their big three pitchers like hudson, mulder, or zito

 

Yeah, that'll happen...

[mike546 0]

Question: How would the 98 Yankees fared against the 04 Red Sox?

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Question: How would the 98 Yankees fared against the 04 Red Sox?

I ran both teams through my computer simulation. The 2004 Red Sox beat the 1998 Yankees in a 10,000 game series, 5,011-4,989. Eleven games in the span of 10,000 is essentially a dead heat.

[mike546 0]

But, how can the simulation accuratley show where each player was skill wise at that point in their career?

 

It it based on the stats of each player in that season, or career totals?

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

It is based on season stats. I would rather do three year averages, but it is prohibitively harder to compute those quickly.

[nl5xsk1 0]

I didn't think he could handle the New York pressure cooker in the first place.

I'm a little sick of hearing that. NY isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be. We don't demand from a person what they can't deliver.

AS, while I don't think NYC deserves the horrible rep it gets, there are certain cities where the expectations, demands, and level of profile are greater than others. New York, Boston, and Philly are harder cities to play in than Milwaukee, San Diego, and Colorado. The media is more omnipresent, the demands of the fans are greater, etc.

 

A lot of players play well before and after their stints in NY or Boston, but play like shit while they play IN that city.