D-Von Dudley involved in altercation w/ fan

[geniusMoment 0]

The Dudleys did this kind of shit in ECW for years, many times inciting fights and near riots, where punches were thrown.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Man, stop the bullshit. It's a one-sided report clearly written out to paint the fan as an innocent victim. It's only one half of the story. Unless you know the whole story, you've got no authority whatsoever to say that the man should be punished.

I was there.

 

I saw it happen.

 

D-Von was clearly at fault.

 

Better?

[Guest BrokenWings]

At the WWE events I attend, security specifically tells us we cannot touch the wrestlers in any way unless they are the ones who extend their hands (meaning they want to be touched) and if we touch them when we're not supposed to, we could get kicked out of the building / arrested for doing it.

 

Now IF the fan in question "touched" or "hit" D-Von, D-Von has every right to whoop his ass because the fan did not follow simple instructions.

So it's okay for every fan who has ever reached over the guard rail and simply touched a wrestler, to fulfill a dream or not, to be knocked out by men who are professionally trained wrestlers, who most likely have over a hundred pound weight advantage?

 

Regardless, you're saying it should be D-Von who handles that situation?! Unbelievable. What are the security there for, then, exactly? D-Von supposedly shoved the security out of the way when he attempted to deal with the altercation.

 

WWE have always been lenient with that instruction, and security usually see it as a minor deal, and I'm sure D-Von has been touched thousands of times. It does not give him reason to attack a fan - it comes with the territory.

 

This also ties in to what Papacita has been saying, as I just cannot fathom a situation where I could justify a wrestler going after a fan, unless their life was threatened, or something of that magnitude. The fan paid money to be able to sit where he was, and cheer/jeer whomever he felt. It's not simply "YAY!" or "BOO!" anymore, and the wrestlers know that. And if they can't handle words, they shouldn't be in front of a live audience, in my opinion. It's expected as part of the business, and always has been. Hell, the amount of heat you draw usually portrays how well you've done your job. You should take pride in the fact the fans care enough about you to even attempt to rile you up.

 

Again, just my opinion.

[CBright7831 0]

The kid must have been a New Jack fan.

[Guest JRE]

D-Von lost it there and should be fined.

 

But...ugh...I just can't get on the fans side because he sounds so whiny.

[Papacita 0]

Man, stop the bullshit. It's a one-sided report clearly written out to paint the fan as an innocent victim.  It's only one half of the story. Unless you know the whole story, you've got no authority whatsoever to say that the man should be punished.

I was there.

 

I saw it happen.

 

D-Von was clearly at fault.

 

Better?

Oh, in that case, definitely, because you have better knowledge of the situation than the rest of us. Still, it's only one side of the story, and I don't see how it makes others wrong to try and make sense of the issue. Just because someone gets in an altercation with a fan doesn't mean he should automatically be crucified. By that logic, the guy could've been raping D-Von's mom in the front row and he would've still been in the wrong for going after him.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

I am tired of reading about a wrestler having a alternation with a fan. It's really getting too commonplace these days. The worst part is, It really is a reflection of how soft and thin skinned today's workers are. I've heard countless stories of wresters in the terriortory era where fans openly brought knives and other weapons to the show and threatened them. They didn't simply touch them or call them names. THEY PUT THEIR LIVES AT RISK.

 

Today, Eddy Guerrero has had three situations like this and he isn't even a heel. Scott Steiner was famous for chasing down fans to the point it became a niche aspect in his character and now D-Von approaches a fan outside the wrestling venue. Which is a completely different situation.

 

There is no comment that really should be cause for this, Being called a Nigger isn't one of those either. D-Von has been called that many times by virture of spending his early career in a violent hate relationship with some low class people in Philadelphia where he BEGGED for the fans to taunt him. So don't bring the fucking race card into this and say that's grounds to go after a fan because that wasn't the issue here.

 

To have a verbal confrontation is one thing, that's heeling but to go after him in PUBLIC, outside the venue is a whole other story.

 

He should be fined here, there is not ONE justification here for anything less. Fired would be too extreme as it's the first reported incident. A Suspension would be getting the point across to the workers that they can't be going after fans.

[Guest BrokenWings]

A Suspension would be getting the point across to the workers that they can't be going after fans.

I agree with everything but this, as, as you said, Guerrero has already had three seperate incidents similar to this (which in my opinion, should have garnered a suspension. Three strikes, you're out. Though it shouldn't even take three, but I digress), and to my knowledge was never suspended. I don't even believe he was fined.

 

WWE simply does not care, it is always right.

 

Other than that, I basically agree with everything you mentioned.

[Guest LooneyTune]

I still think it's bullshit, but I think I found a few things out...

 

White people think calling a black man "N-----" is fun and cute and think it's as offensive as calling someone a butthead (which is not).

 

Black people find the word offensive and over the line and don't care who says it.

 

Onto the Rico thing mentioned: Rico's character IS gay. He expects being called homosexual names because thats what he's portraying. He seems comfortable with the character too, so really thats a horrible comparison. You won't ever see a black wrestler call himself the N-word and dance around eating buckets of fried chicken while picking cotton.

 

This really has to be fake...just imagine...

 

Fan: You suck D'Von, you fucking N-----! I dare you to hit me! (D'Von comes over to hit him) Don't hit me! I have a broken back, despite me jumping around like an idiot and showing no real pain whatsoever and taunting a man twice my size!

[Guest BrokenWings]

I still think it's bullshit, but I think I found a few things out...

 

White people think calling a black man "N-----" is fun and cute and think it's as offensive as calling someone a butthead (which is not).

 

Black people find the word offensive and over the line and don't care who says it.

 

Onto the Rico thing mentioned: Rico's character IS gay. He expects being called homosexual names because thats what he's portraying. He seems comfortable with the character too, so really thats a horrible comparison. You won't ever see a black wrestler call himself the N-word and dance around eating buckets of fried chicken while picking cotton.

 

This really has to be fake...just imagine...

 

Fan: You suck D'Von, you fucking N-----! I dare you to hit me! (D'Von comes over to hit him) Don't hit me! I have a broken back, despite me jumping around like an idiot and showing no real pain whatsoever and taunting a man twice my size!

D-Von should NEVER respond to someone taunting him that way, and going over and acknowledging the man will only further intensify the fan, as he realises he's getting under D-Von's skin. It is their job to put up with taunting. They're fucking heels.

 

I guess in today's society, wrestling fans are still expected to all go "Hey D-Von! I think you smell funny! *turns to his friends* I got him good with that one!! *high fives*"

 

I want to make it clear I don't believe the fan is right, especially not until the entire story unfolds. I do believe D-Von is in the wrong, as I did with Guerrero, and any other wrestler who goes after a fan for outlandish reasons, especially if they're working at the time.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

A Suspension would be getting the point across to the workers that they can't be going after fans.

I agree with everything but this, as, as you said, Guerrero has already had three seperate incidents similar to this (which in my opinion, should have garnered a suspension. Three strikes, you're out. Though it shouldn't even take three, but I digress), and to my knowledge was never suspended. I don't even believe he was fined.

 

WWE simply does not care, it is always right.

 

Other than that, I basically agree with everything you mentioned.

Obviously, they weren't going to be able to suspend their biggest face (at the time), but here they can Suspend a Meaningless mid-card tag teamer. Would it be Hypocritical? Absolutely but I strongly doubt Vince McMahon wants to get hit with a civil lawsuit here where a fan sues them (esp, after all the "We love our fans" sentiment they have shoved down our throat) because judging from the people, looks like no one has sympathy for D-Von here.

[Guest wrestlingbs]

Whatever happens, I'm sure the WWE will do the right thing for D-von's explosive incident at a house show.

 

In other worlds, push him to the main event and give him the WWE title.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

WrestleMania XXI

WWE Title Match

Fans bring Weapons Match

Special Guest Ref: Scott Steiner

John Bradshaw Layfield Vs D-Von Dudley

[Guest LooneyTune]

Simple solution: Give D'Von some time off! Seriously, how long has it been since D'Von has gotten ANY type of break? This is either something over-the-top comments or D'Von over-exagerated and needs some time away to calm his nerves.

 

Oh well, at least he follows a the dress code.

 

After reading this, I expect everyone to say throwing trash at wrestlers is something fans are allowed to do too.

[Guest BrokenWings]

After reading this, I expect everyone to say throwing trash at wrestlers is something fans are allowed to do too.

Because throwing trash and taunting are one and the same.

[Guest LooneyTune]

It's less offensive to do than calling someone a word people used to denounce an entire race of people.

[Guest BrokenWings]

It's less offensive to do than calling someone a word people used to denounce an entire race of people.

Which was a rumor which stemmed from earlier in this thread, which was a pointless argument to begin with as there was no indication anything such as that even transpired.

 

Stop grasping at straws.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

Throwing Trash is hardly offensive...

 

actually, unless it's a demostration of "WE HATE THIS SHIT", it's usually a good thing.

 

When Hogan turned, it was a good case of trash throwing representing the feelings of the fans.

 

When the 82375th NWO Beatdown on hapless face after 4 minute main event, and the ring was layered in trash, that was not in a good way.

 

It's been a long time since trash was thrown, so thankfully it's a thing of the past.

 

Once again you bring up the god damn fucking race card. NIGGER! NIGGER! That word didn't cause this, what caused this was that D'von fuse erupted. He has no problem with the word, he was called Nigger many times in ECW not by the fans but by fellow workers, he even refered to himself that once and dared the crowd to call him that. So enough with the fucking race card...

 

People such as yourself use the fucking race card as a chance to promote being black and how it's a hurtful word. Yes it is but D'von has a history of not having problems with it. So thus it proves that the word never came to play. So fucking drop it.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Which was a rumor which stemmed from earlier in this thread, which was a pointless argument to begin with as there was no indication anything such as that even transpired.

 

Stop grasping at straws.

 

But like Papacita, none of us were there so ANYTHING could have been said and / or done.

[Guest LooneyTune]

I'm white...and this is a one sided report. It's called (gasp) hypothetical speaking because one-sided reports are just that, and favor the fan. Without a clean-cut report, there's nothing to do but become a sheep to anything said, or actually think for 5 seconds and come up with a logical solution.

[Guest Rrrsh]

Dvon will not get punished. Not a slap on the wrist. Not a "Hey Dvon, next time don't do that". No one in the WWE will care. Worse, Dvon is actually getting DEFENDED by FANS, who could have easily been in that situation (taunting the heels, which is supported and encouraged by the WWE). This is absolutely amazing.

Listen hear Rudo

 

I have actually had a wrestler try and beat me up after a show because a yelled during his match that he was working the wrong shoulder. So I know what thr fuck I am talking about here.

 

If I called a balck guy a nigger at a wrestling show or anywhere else, I DESERVE eveything I get. Its that fucking simple.

[Papacita 0]

Well, I'm black, and anyone who knows me knows that I take my culture and racial issues very seriously. That said, I'll agree that race isn't an excuse at all here. Really, the fan has a right to say anything he wants; it's D-Von or any wrestler's job not to play into their hands because (and this is why generally, I'm not offended by the n-word) by getting upset, you're conceding that they have power and control over you. If D-Von came at him because of a comment, regardless what it was, then yeah he is to blame, because he lost control of himself. However, if the fan hits him or does anything that causes physical harm to the wrestler, then frankly, I think he deserves to get his ass kicked. I don't care if they're professionally trained or not, you put yourself in that situation then you need to deal with the consequences.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Dvon will not get punished.  Not a slap on the wrist.  Not a "Hey Dvon, next time don't do that".  No one in the WWE will care. Worse, Dvon is actually getting DEFENDED by FANS, who could have easily been in that situation (taunting the heels, which is supported and encouraged by the WWE).  This is absolutely amazing.

Listen hear Rudo

 

I have actually had a wrestler try and beat me up after a show because a yelled during his match that he was working the wrong shoulder. So I know what thr fuck I am talking about here.

 

If I called a balck guy a nigger at a wrestling show or anywhere else, I DESERVE eveything I get. Its that fucking simple.

You honestly deserved every second of that threat for being such a smark-ass child. Have fun at wrestling shows but for God's sake leave the internet shit at home.

[Guest BDC]

There's just too much missing from this. First off, this article is obscene in its slant. "which is proof that the fan didn't hit him"? Crap.

 

Second, even if this IS legit, assume for a second that you're the fan. You've already successfully pissed off DVon. What did he do?

 

The fan yells "What D-Von? What do you want? What are you going to do, you hurt my back?"

 

Okay, let's assume up to this point that DVon was just having a bad day. Y'know, one of those days where you just explode. How STUPID was this? You've made him mad once, to the point of physical altercation and you ENCOURAGE MORE?

 

The first thing? If this report is real, then it's possible that DVon just had a bad day. But this part? This little prick is getting no sympathy from me.

[jester 0]

Look, there's only one rational thing to do as a result of all this.

 

Fire Bob Holly and Bradshaw.

[MillenniumMan831 0]

Look, there's only one rational thing to do as a result of all this.

 

Fire Bob Holly and Bradshaw.

. . . And Lance Storm.

[nl5xsk1 0]

I only skimmed through part of this thread, did I miss the part where it was confirmed that this was racial at all??? If it hasn't been confirmed, why is everyone etching it into stone? As BDC said, maybe D-Von was just having a shitty day (for all we know he just found out his wife's cheating on him) and this guy verbally pushed him over the edge. I've seen the n-word so many times in this thread it's giving me the chills.

 

Second of all, where are all the apologists that line up when Guerrero does something comparable?

[Guest DeputyHawk]

Look, NikJohns, look upon what you have created...

[dubq 0]

It's Vince Russo in disguise!!

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Oh, in that case, definitely, because you have better knowledge of the situation than the rest of us. Still, it's only one side of the story, and I don't see how it makes others wrong to try and make sense of the issue.

 

Other's aren't "trying to make sense of the issue", they are blindly defending the WWE Wrestler and hating on the fan. I don't get that. Everyone here is a fan, so why is the wrestler the one who is right here? The bigger wrestler. The paid wrestler. The wrestler who actually got physical. This incident could have been completely caught on tape and those same people would still be defending Dvon, guaranteed.

 

Just because someone gets in an altercation with a fan doesn't mean he should automatically be crucified. By that logic, the guy could've been raping D-Von's mom in the front row and he would've still been in the wrong for going after him.

 

Look back in one of my posts, I put a "*Within Reason" caveat in one of them. That was to prevent dumbass things like this.

 

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Listen hear Rudo

 

I have actually had a wrestler try and beat me up after a show because a yelled during his match that he was working the wrong shoulder. So I know what thr fuck I am talking about here.

 

No you don't. You think that a wrestler assaulting a fan isn't crossing the line. You have a messed up view on things.

 

If I called a balck guy a nigger at a wrestling show or anywhere else, I DESERVE eveything I get. Its that fucking simple.

 

I love this mentality of having carte blanche because of a single word. What if the fan called Bubba "fat"? What if the fan called Dvon "Stupid"? It's still name calling. It still probably hurt and offended them. Does any offensive thing apply? And does it apply everywhere? Lemme know, because I have to tell the cops because there's going to be a lot of fighting in the streets from now on.