The OAO "Does Booker T have a chance in Hell of

[ChrisMWaters 0]

As for Booker as World Champion, they really need to decide if he is a face or heel and stick with it. Booker has turned almost as much as Jericho.

But he's still nowhere near the Ric Flair record.

 

He's had what...20...30 turns over his career?

 

I think he has a face/heel turn once every two years...sometimes one a year as well.

[2GOLD 0]

As for Booker as World Champion, they really need to decide if he is a face or heel and stick with it. Booker has turned almost as much as Jericho.

But he's still nowhere near the Ric Flair record.

 

He's had what...20...30 turns over his career?

 

I think he has a face/heel turn once every two years...sometimes one a year as well.

 

Since coming to the WWE, Booker has turned about 10 times and that might be low balling him.

 

Hell, he's already turned twice I do believe on Smackdown alone.

 

Right now, I THINK he's a face. I think. Hell if I know anymore.

[bob_barron 0]

Booker came in as a face.

Turned heel July 2001.

Turned face June 2002.

Turned heel March 2004.

Turned face October 2004

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Big Show is the worst in the WWF/E

Came in as a heel in Feb 1999

Turned face in March 1999

Turned heel in July 1999

Turned face in September 1999

Turned heel in January 2000

Turned face in April 2000

Turned heel in July 2000

Turned face in June 2001

Turned heel sometime in spring 2002

Turned face in September 2004

[MillenniumMan831 0]

How did Show turn heel in July 2000? For the life of me, I can't remember.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

How did Show turn heel in July 2000? For the life of me, I can't remember.

He came back as Lita's mystery partner against Shane and Steph, and chased Shane out of the ring, and all over the arena, before cornering him in the ring, where some face was at the time, and wound up chokeslamming the face to turn heel.

[Just call me Dan 0]

I think Booker may get the title just for a Survivor Series moment and hot shot it to someone else.

 

WWE is in its "Make sure everyone who ever at some point deserved the belt gets a small run" mode so not to piss people off.

 

Which begs the question: Can Mysterio ever pull off the impossible?

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

The only thing ring-wise Booker T has going for him and fast, quick leg attacks.

 

At WrestleMania 19, HHH worked his legs the entire match and they stayed on the mat.

 

The wrong guy went over.

 

That's why the match sucked. It was boring, save for like 45 seconds.

[Guest BDC]

Personally, Booker has a ring style, that as a face, is one of my favorite to watch. He, like Ken Shamrock, has great mannerisms for the bounce-back phase of a match (for a face) and a moveset that fits the role perfectly.

 

As for passing the strap around to those over enough to deserve it, well, Rey fits the criteria and I'd mark the hell out. I remember when he almost beat Flair on one night club Nitro (y'know with the pool) and I certainly marked out for it.

[Just call me Dan 0]

As for passing the strap around to those over enough to deserve it, well, Rey fits the criteria and I'd mark the hell out. I remember when he almost beat Flair on one night club Nitro (y'know with the pool) and I certainly marked out for it.

Totally agree here. I just feel like now that the WWE has had or now has nearly everyone from the days of the NNW, they just can't let these performers who have been over for so many years not get that run. I would have bet all I had Eddie would never ran with the title.

 

I personally don't want so many guys like Rude, Hennig, Hall, Bulldog, etc. who didn't ever get that one reign to happen again.

[Guest PlatinumBoy]

How did Show turn heel in July 2000?  For the life of me, I can't remember.

He came back as Lita's mystery partner against Shane and Steph, and chased Shane out of the ring, and all over the arena, before cornering him in the ring, where some face was at the time, and wound up chokeslamming the face to turn heel.

It was the night after Fully Loaded 2000, Show came back and chased Shane around like was stated, but the main event was Undertaker vs Angle in a rematch, and Shane ended up trapped in the ring with the two of them and Show, but they all turned on Taker and beat him down--making the uber stable of Benoit, Angle, Show, and as they were hinting at--Edge and Christain. Then Show got fat and they put in Stevie Richards over him in No Mercy the video game and sent him to OVW.

[Dark Age 0]

The only thing ring-wise Booker T has going for him and fast, quick leg attacks.

 

At WrestleMania 19, HHH worked his legs the entire match and they stayed on the mat.

 

The wrong guy went over.

 

That's why the match sucked. It was boring, save for like 45 seconds.

So.. how is THAT a lacklusture performance by Booker T?

[Guest SoZe]

 

Fan during a Show match: "Wow! This guy is huge! Did you see him throw (insert wrestler) across the ring? That's awesome!"

 

Fan during a RVD match: "His kicks rule! And his 5 star frogsplash is awesome! 4:20!"

 

Fan during a Booker T match: "Yah, the spinaroonie!"

 

Seriously, the whole "Booker T is a good worker" thing is old. He sucks and is boring in the ring.

Yeah, but guess what they have to say about your golden boy Edge?

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Edge has better mic skills than Booker T.

 

Edge has a better offensive arsenal than Booker T. Or at least he did. I think he's getting there.

 

E & C > Harlem Heat

 

Oh yeah, Edge was never in a tag team with Test where *TEST* was pushed as the bigger star.

 

Plus, Edge CLEARLY showed he is better than Booker T by winning the highly coveted Japanese Shampoo Commercial.

[Brett Favre 0]

Edge has better mic skills than Booker T

 

If you like boring generic promos, then yeah sure. Booker T gets, you know, the crowd to react to him.

 

Edge has a better offensive arsenal than Booker T.  Or at least he did.  I think he's getting there.

 

Booker T has a better finisher, better trademark moves, and can adapt to his opponents style fairly well. Edge's finisher is weak, has a flat out mundane WWE style offense, and can only be carried to good matches by Angle and Eddie.

 

E & C > Harlem Heat

Well, I guess this is acquired taste.

 

Oh yeah, Edge was never in a tag team with Test where *TEST* was pushed as the bigger star.

 

Huh? This is the same company that is still trying to get HHH over!

 

Plus, Edge CLEARLY showed he is better than Booker T by winning the highly coveted Japanese Shampoo Commercial

 

Ah yes. After all, hair is what makes a wrestler.

[Dark Age 0]

E & C > Harlem Heat

 

Yeah, Stevie Ray will do that.

 

Oh yeah, Edge was never in a tag team with Test where *TEST* was pushed as the bigger star.

 

What does this have to do with Edge being better than Booker? Bradshaw is being pushed over Eddie. Does that mean he's better?

 

Edge has a better offensive arsenal than Booker T. Or at least he did. I think he's getting there.

 

Arguable, but, I'll admit, Booker's arsenal is severely toned down these days. Are you not the same guy who once claimed Paul London was no good because of his "indy offense"? How can you say THAT with a straight face when talking about Edge's moveset?

 

I'm not gonna bother with the mic skills argumant, as I think Edge is a good speaker, but Booker CAN be good on the mic as well. All I'll say is the Booker/Goldust skits were better than the E & C skits.

 

And you still haven't proven how Booker's performance at Mania was lacklusture.

[King Cucaracha 0]

His Rebellion02 match with Matt Hardy?

I'm still reeling that Dark Age actually used this in a pro-Booker arguement. The match was awful. AWFUL. Both guys dogged it and, save for the Spinaroonie, the crowd seemed pretty quiet for a British crowd.

 

Booker isn't a bad worker though. He's just...bland. And he's suffering from the curse of being unmotivated in recent months, maybe even years. Just like Cena and RVD. Who, coincidentally, have also done nothing of note in recent months.

 

Anyway, the question shouldn't just be about wrestling ability with Booker. It's about why exactly anyone should care about him. So, he's a face suddenly. Uhm, firstly, why? Because he doesn't like Orlando Jordan's relationship with Bradshaw. So suddenly, we're supposed to care about Booker T because he doesn't like Orlando Jordan? Then there's the question of Booker as a face. Bold prediction: All that Booker will do is become another dumbed down WWE face. He'll go the same way as Jericho did, Eddie did, RVD did, Angle always does, Big Show did, Cena did...Orton is heading. He'll become the same dull nice guy. Less interesting. We'll get the same generic face routine as everyone else, only with a 'SUCKA~!' here and a 'SPINAROONIE~!' there, which'll get the same dated cheap pops they did before he got traded to Smackdown.

 

While we're on the subject, what exactly does Booker bring to interviews as it is anyway? The anti-JBLers have been complaining that he's a comedy character. At least he's entertaining in the role he's in. I can't remember a decent, interesting face promo by Booker...that didn't involve comedy. Take out any Goldust interaction and there's even less to look at. The jive talk doesn't help. But with or without that, he doesn't interest me enough to make me care.

[humongous2002 0]

The only reason RVD is not getting a push is because HHH has enough stroke to keep him down, Rob is the most over face in SD next to Eddie or that untalented Cena.

 

Well, RVD being more unmotivated than Booker, being a whiner, not working the WWE style, conducting shoot-like interviews, working stiff isn't helping him either.

 

The biggest whiner is Booker b/c he keeps saying that he plans to retire as soon as possible, and I agree with him since WWE has treated him as a jobber to the stars. And the only reason RVD is not getting a push at all is b/c guys like HHH fear the fact that he might actually be more over than him if he was a champion, Rob has adapted to the boring WWE style and hasn't "stiffed" anyone since 2002.

As much as I can't stand Bradshaw, I would rather see him get pinned for the belt by a wrestler that WWE is planning on doing something with instead of a guy like Book (a transitional champion) who's going to keep the belt warm for Angle to take.

[King Cucaracha 0]

I can remember Van Dam trashing the IC Title, calling it "worthless" and saying he couldn't remember or care how many times he held the belt. That's pretty whiney to be honest, even if he may have had a point.

[Just call me Dan 0]

Guys, we are past the days of questioning who will be champ next. For the next few years, a few key guys will have the belt and ANYONE who gets the title is only keeping it warm for an Angle, HHH, etc title run. Bottom line. Booker getting the title is just as much a title win as Benoit, Eddie, etc. It would be a proud moment for the guy, as well as his few fans of this board.

[Dark Age 0]

His Rebellion02 match with Matt Hardy?

I'm still reeling that Dark Age actually used this in a pro-Booker arguement. The match was awful. AWFUL. Both guys dogged it and, save for the Spinaroonie, the crowd seemed pretty quiet for a British crowd.

You sure on that? I'll admit, I haven't seen the match in a while, but I remember liking it A LOT and it seemed like the crowd was super hot. Maybe I'll watch it again and see.

 

The biggest whiner is Booker b/c he keeps saying that he plans to retire as soon as possible, and I agree with him since WWE has treated him as a jobber to the stars. And the only reason RVD is not getting a push at all is b/c guys like HHH fear the fact that he might actually be more over than him if he was a champion, Rob has adapted to the boring WWE style and hasn't "stiffed" anyone since 2002.

As much as I can't stand Bradshaw, I would rather see him get pinned for the belt by a wrestler that WWE is planning on doing something with instead of a guy like Book (an intermediate champion) who's going to keep the belt warm for Angle to take.

 

So, he's a whiner for wanting to retire because of a serious back problem? Erm... yeah, okay.

[Guest Loss]

Booker said in 2002 that he plans on retiring in FIVE YEARS. That's the ONLY time he's ever even mentioned it. It's been blown way out of proportion. Five years is plenty of time to do all sorts of things. Look what Steve Austin did between 1998 and 2003.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

On Byte This recently, Booker was asked about retiring, and he said he was reconsidering it.

[algrim 0]

You're right Dan. I guess some of us need to be reminded that if life gives you lemons, make lemonade.

[bob_barron 0]

The biggest whiner is Booker b/c he keeps saying that he plans to retire as soon as possible

a) That's not whining.

 

b) No he doesn't.

[Just call me Dan 0]

Thanks, algrim, I was getting used to being back in mylittle niche of being no-sold.

 

Gotta agree with Barron, when has Booker whined?

 

The guy has been treated as a complete joke since the day after KOTR 2001.

 

WWE totally screwed up by having WCW/ECW be automatically heels and thus booking them all as pussies.

 

WWE then booked T as an imbecile who obviously had a low IQ.

 

He then went on to his 1st Wrestlemania match over a shampoo feud.

 

He went from the top guy of the Alliance crossover to meaningless mid card tagging (considering Bookdust got a 1 month reign and Goldust was depushed and canned)

 

He's flopped from heel to face while having his ass handed to him in feuds with Rock (Couldn't beat him in a handicap match), Austin (supermarket, church), Undertaker (never had a chance), and Triple H (the racial angle in which he LOSES)

 

He gets handed the IC title and has to use a face GM to keep getting him repeat shots in order to finally win.

 

Gets traded to SD where he looks hot and makes a turn then proceeds to get squashed.

 

The guy does not bitch. The guy does not try and counteract. He just does his job.

 

Whiner? No.

[Guest MikeSC]

Gotta agree with Barron, when has Booker whined?

 

The guy has been treated as a complete joke since the day after KOTR 2001.

No argument on that one.

WWE totally screwed up by having WCW/ECW be automatically heels and thus booking them all as pussies.

Um, what? WWE tried to push them as FACES, initially (which is why they had HEELS Austin and Angle attack Booker). The crowd, though, shit on WCW so badly that they had no option than to make them heels.

 

Watch the first few shows after the Invasion started --- Booker is, unquestionably, pushed as a face.

WWE then booked T as an imbecile who obviously had a low IQ.

When was that?

He then went on to his 1st Wrestlemania match over a shampoo feud.

Yeah, that was pretty shitty.

He went from the top guy of the Alliance crossover to meaningless mid card tagging (considering Bookdust got a 1 month reign and Goldust was depushed and canned)

No argument there, either. The dropping of the belts to Storm and Regal out of nowhere didn't make a ton of sense.

He's flopped from heel to face while having his ass handed to him in feuds with Rock (Couldn't beat him in a handicap match), Austin (supermarket, church), Undertaker (never had a chance), and Triple H (the racial angle in which he LOSES)

1) The Rock is, flat out, better than Booker. He's more over and more solid in the ring. While I thought Booker should be given the win at SummerSlam, I can't fault them for not giving it to him.

 

2) Booker wasn't in Austin's level of popularity. He wasn't even close.

 

3) His work did not come close to being worthy of a World Title. And since his back problem caused him to take time off a few months later, there is considerable reason to believe that it was giving him problems.

Gets traded to SD where he looks hot and makes a turn then proceeds to get squashed.

His work on SD has sucked. It's been terrible. He really doesn't deserve a World Title shot with JBL.

-=Mike

[bob_barron 0]

Um, what? WWE tried to push them as FACES, initially (which is why they had HEELS Austin and Angle attack Booker). The crowd, though, shit on WCW so badly that they had no option than to make them heels.

 

Watch the first few shows after the Invasion started --- Booker is, unquestionably, pushed as a face.

 

Which he got over as until they inexpicably turned him heel.

 

When was that?

 

Post Invasion-face turn.

 

3) His work did not come close to being worthy of a World Title. And since his back problem caused him to take time off a few months later, there is considerable reason to believe that it was giving him problems.

 

They still shouldn't have done a feud where the RACIST wins. It's so stupid.

 

And Taker making Booker look like a huge bitch everytime they feuded didn't help

[Guest MikeSC]

Um, what? WWE tried to push them as FACES, initially (which is why they had HEELS Austin and Angle attack Booker). The crowd, though, shit on WCW so badly that they had no option than to make them heels.

 

Watch the first few shows after the Invasion started --- Booker is, unquestionably, pushed as a face.

Which he got over as until they inexpicably turned him heel.

He didn't get over, though. Go back to the disaster of Buff v Bagwell. The crowd popped huge when Austin and Angle attacked everybody, including Booker. Booker got more over a heel than he was as a face.

3) His work did not come close to being worthy of a World Title. And since his back problem caused him to take time off a few months later, there is considerable reason to believe that it was giving him problems.

They still shouldn't have done a feud where the RACIST wins. It's so stupid.

 

And Taker making Booker look like a huge bitch everytime they feuded didn't help

I have a hard time thinking of anybody Taker ever put over. That's not his style.

 

However, while the HHH/Booker angle was idiotic, it also served its purpose --- it made the fans give a damn about the ME at WM.

-=Mike

[SuperJerk 0]

WWE then booked T as an imbecile who obviously had a low IQ.

When was that?

The night the Rock cut the promo on Booker Midget (remember the 'Thomas Jefferson' crack?), then after Booker did poorly on "Weakest Link".