Need some opinions......

[Damaramu 0]

First of all let me say that I'm not starting a fight with this thread. This is just something I've been thinking about since it came up on the radio.

 

Ok something that has become kind of a civil war in Oklahoma.

Let us say that the Heisman voting has come down to Adrian Peterson and Jason White.

Now before you come in and say "No Leinhart will win it!" I know that. Let's just pretend for a second that those two are the leaders. Pretend everyone else started having terrible games or something.

 

At this point who deserves it out of the two? Jason White or Adrian Peterson? Who's better? Who means more to the team? Because this has become a hot and heated topic on the local radio stations in Oklahoma.

I mean if OU didn't have Adrian Peterson would they be undefeated? I can gurantee without White they wouldn't be undefeated.

Course a lot of people are still punishing White and saying he's a crappy QB based off the last two games last season where he had a broken hand and foot. There's actually people that call into the radio station around here and say that Jason White is one of the worst QB's OU has ever had and they wish he'd just go away.

I think he's the best player in school history personally.

White also said that since he already has a vote he's voting for Peterson.

 

So if you had a vote and had to pick between those two who would it be? And why?

[therealworldschampion 0]

Peterson should win it, but I have a feeling that Leinart will win it in the Gino Torretta/Chris Weinke sense.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Jason White should even be invited to the ceremony. I also wouldn't give it to Peterson because a junior or senior should win the Heisman.

[lomasmoney 0]

White, best player in school history,

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I'd take Braylon Edwards over either of them right now to be honest. He's just been making some absolutely sick catches this year.

[CanadianChris 0]

Of those two alone, I'd choose Peterson -- just an amazing season so far. Restricting it in any sense to upperclassmen is just silly.

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

Jason White should even be invited to the ceremony. I also wouldn't give it to Peterson because a junior or senior should win the Heisman.

This is total garbage. The Heisman is supposed to go to the most outstanding player in college football, not the most oustanding senior. It's not a lifetime acheivement award. Peterson is way ahead of everyone at this point, in my opinion, and if he wins the Heisman 4 times in his career then good for him. I don't see enough separation in the quarterback class to justify picking any of them (White, Rodgers, Smith, Leinart) over Peterson.

[therealworldschampion 0]

I also wouldn't give it to Peterson because a junior or senior should win the Heisman.

 

I dunno, did Eric Crouch really deserve the Heisman in 2001 over Rex Grossman, a sophomore?

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Peterson really isn't that far ahead of the other running backs either. His stats are weaker than Cedric Benson's and he's still in the same territory as Morency and Hart.

 

And the voters have done this crap over and over again anyway. If I have to sit through Eric Crouch as the Heisman winner then Peterson can wait a season or two.

 

And it doesn't really matter either way because Lienart's name has been written on that trophey since August.

[Damaramu 0]

Ok forget about everyone else in the country.

I made this post to see who you thought should make it if it came down to Peterson or White.

So you guys think OU would still be undefeated if they had Peterson and not White?

 

I pretty much think White is the heart and soul of the team. He's the leader and he's the one that drags them out of tough situations.

I mean look at last year. He WAS the team. He had people saying they were the best team of all time and when he went down the team went down.

 

Did you say he shouldn't even be invited to the ceremony Mad Dog? He's one of the best QB's in the country at the moment. He does have better stats than Leinhart and he's the one that keeps his team alive. Personally I think Reggie Bush is the better player on USC's team.

 

But still......if it were down to Peterson and White. Leave everyone else out of the equation. Who is the better player of the two and who deserves it more? If one of them went down would the team still win? Who do they have a better shot of winning with?

[Damaramu 0]

Oh and lomasmoney if White isn't the best player in school history then who is? He's thrown the most TD's in school history(then again it was an option style school until Stoops) plus he's only played 1 full season and a half of another and he's racked up 20 wins. If he played 4 full seasons he'd probably be the winningnest QB in College FB history(assuming he wins 10 games in those other 2 years and well OU will probably always win 10 games).

[iggymcfly 0]

Peterson's absolutely more valuable than White. He had 225 yards and 249 yards in Okahoma's two biggest games of the season. He's averaging over six yards a carry, and he hasn't been held under 100 yards all year. No way OU's undefeated without Adrian Peterson.

[Damaramu 0]

They wouldn't be undefeated without White either though. I think the two are more dangerous together.

Although without Peterson White's stats would be on a different level b/c he'd have to pick up the slack. We've seen what he can do when Peterson has been nullified. And we saw what he did last season when he was halfway healthy and had no running game(40 TD's and 5 picks in the regular season).

I think that White's stats would be more than 20 TD's and 3(or 4 can't remember) picks at this point in the season if he had no AD.

[phoenixrising 0]

Top five for me right now are Peterson, Leinart, Edwards, Benson, Bush. White has had a good year but Peterson has been having monster games left and right, and his performances against Texas and OSU lead me to rank him over White for the Heisman at this moment. I could care less about only juniors/seniors winning it, Grossman should have won over Crouch in '01, and a good case can be made for Fitzgerald over White last year. I think the Heisman should be awarded to the best player in college football that year, not as an achievement award for a college career. So far Peterson's been ahead of the pack, at least in my mind.

[Damaramu 0]

Argh people keep talking about the other players lol! The reason I was saying let's keep this between Peterson and White is because I don't want to start another OU vs. the world post. Plus it is something that's been going on on the local radio. And it's got a lot of Sooner fans divided.

 

But since we're going to bring up the other players in the country..what about Alex Smith? He's good.

[Bored 0]

Argh people keep talking about the other players lol!

I'm going to solve this right now for Dama...

 

You have your own thread now. Everyone feel free to talk about other Heisman candidates in here.

[Damaramu 0]

Argh people keep talking about the other players lol!

I'm going to solve this right now for Dama...

I'm just trying to stop a fight from breaking out.

 

Plus I'm not really interested in who everyone thinks should win the heisman persay. I'm more interested in who deserves it more between Peterson and White since it's become such a hot topic of debate around here.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

I would think Peterson, as he seems to be the heart of the team. White is a very good quarterback, but it just seems to me that it's Peterson who sets up the offense the way it is.

[Damaramu 0]

Well.......I dunno about Peterson being the heart and soul. Because White is the leader pretty much and he's the one that gets the team pumped and ready. Over the off season where all he could do was watch b/c of his broken hand and foot he coached and led the team.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Well.......I dunno about Peterson being the heart and soul. Because White is the leader pretty much and he's the one that gets the team pumped and ready. Over the off season where all he could do was watch b/c of his broken hand and foot he coached and led the team.

I am not sure you understood what I meant, so I'll explain it better. Peterson is the heart of OU's OFFENSE.

 

Let's put it in comparison to a NFL team like... Philadelphia Eagles. You like the Eagles, so you'll get it. McNabb is the leader, but Owens is the heart of the offense, as in the Eagles wouldn't be as productive without Owens. OU wouldn't be productive without Peterson, because the other teams would have to really concentrate a good portion of their preparations specifically for Adrian Peterson, that it leaves White and his receivers able to do whatever they want.

[Damaramu 0]

But without Peterson through 12 games last season with an unhealthy Jason White him and his recievers did whatever they wanted.

Then White went completely down(he should not have been in the second half of the Big XII title game nor the Sugar Bowl)and the whole team went down.

 

That's why I say White is more valuable.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

But without Peterson through 12 games last season with an unhealthy Jason White him and his recievers did whatever they wanted.

Then White went completely down(he should not have been in the second half of the Big XII title game nor the Sugar Bowl)and the whole team went down.

 

That's why I say White is more valuable.

If you're set in your opinion, why bother asking? That being said, the Heisman voting is far off, performances will rise and fall. We'll have to see.

[Damaramu 0]

But without Peterson through 12 games last season with an unhealthy Jason White him and his recievers did whatever they wanted.

Then White went completely down(he should not have been in the second half of the Big XII title game nor the Sugar Bowl)and the whole team went down.

 

That's why I say White is more valuable.

If you're set in your opinion, why bother asking? That being said, the Heisman voting is far off, performances will rise and fall. We'll have to see.

Because I don't see how my logic is wrong about Jason White.

 

So I presented it to you since you think it is wrong. Well there's my logic for why I think White is better and I want you to tell me why you disagree.

[nogoodnick 0]

Fuck all the age bullshit, the Heisman should be for the best season no matter what year in college. Eventually a freshman will win the award, might as well give it to the guy that so far has earned it, Adrian Peterson. Someone may end up out shining him by the end of the year, but if the season were to end today he deserves it.

 

Leinart has a good shot of winning though because there may be a split vote with the OU boys. He deserved it last year seeing as he had better numbers than Carson Palmer did when he won.

[Guest Flyboy]

The Heisman should go to the best player in college football and that would happen to be Reggie Bush.

[Crimson Platypus 0]

Anyone who wouldn't vote for Peterson because he is a freshman should lose thier ability to vote. The guy is just sick. Absolutely he should, at this point, be the Heisman winner.

[HarleyQuinn 0]

It definitely has to be Adrian Peterson.

 

Game 1: 16 carries, 105 yards and 1 TD behind K. Jones

Game 2: 25 carries, 130 yards and 2 TD as the starter

Game 3: 24 carries, 189 yards and 2 TD

Game 4: 22 carries, 148 yards and 1 TD

Game 5 vs #6 Texas: 32 caries, 240 yards

Game 6: 36 carries, 142 yards

Game 7: 22 carries, 126 yards and 1 TD

Game 8 vs #19 Oklahoma State: 33 carries, 225 yards and 1 TD

 

Jason White has had a solid season, no doubt about that but Peterson has been huge in big games when it counted. However I see other QB's that deserve the nod for voting over Jason White(as of 11/1) including Andrew Walter, Kyle Orton, Matt Leinart and Alex Smith.

 

Walter = 54.8%, 2083 yards and a 21/7 mark. Faced 4 ranked teams.

Orton = 61.8%, 2233 yards and a 21/5 mark. Faced 2 ranked teams.

Smith = 64.5%, 1905 yards and a 20/2 mark. Faced 1 ranked team but had a 72.4% with 329 yards and a 3/0 rate.

Leinart = 65.4%, 1863 yards and an 18/4 mark. Faced 3 ranked teams.

White = 63.7%, 1838 yards and a 20/4 mark. Faced 2 ranked teams.

[Guest Crazy Dan]

I would have to say that Adrian "AD" Peterson should get it. He has been just a special player who is playing beyond his years. A big reason why White has bounced back, as teams are forced to put men on Peterson, opening up the passing game. Regardless of his Freshman status, he has been spectacular. I don't think he will get the award, as the Heisman never ends up in the best player's hand anyway. I see AD losing the award this year, but if he picks up where leaves off this season, he will definately be the favorite next season. In his defense, there have not been that many spectacular players this year, unlike AD, who appears to have the skills to go to the Pros and beyond.

 

If this was a perfect world, class status would not be a consideration and whoever had the best season would get the award. But there have been some poor choices over the years, so I could see a player like Leinert winning it. And White is another consideration, but he showed in Okla. last two games of last season that he should not have been given the award. The fact he is mentioned again in the Heisman favorites is due to AD, who has helped White regain his productivity. White teminds of the year that Eric Crouch won the award, (Harrington was my choice), only to tank the Big 12 Championship and then get smeared by Miami in the National Title Game (once again, Harrington's Ducks would have been a better matchup and as a result better game as they smoked Colorodo). So even if he doesn't get the award, I think we will be ok.

 

So if I had a vote, AD would be my choice to this point. He is the reason Oklahoma is marching to the BCS championship game against USC.

[Damaramu 0]

And White is another consideration, but he showed in Okla. last two games of last season that he should not have been given the award. The fact he is mentioned again in the Heisman favorites is due to AD, who has helped White regain his productivity.

So having a broken hand and foot and bad knees proves someone doesn't deserve it?

His knees and foot were so bad by the end of last year that he couldn't snap from under center b/c he couldn't move back quick enough. And his hand was broken.....HIS HAND WAS BROKEN.

How does that prove he wasn't as good as he proved during the season? He was at about 60% health during the seaosn when he was putting up amazing numbers. His knees were already giving him trouble by the game against Texas, he could already barely start under center in that game.

So how do the last two games where he should've been on a surgeon's table and not on a football field prove he didn't deserve it? He tried to gut out the performance but there comes a time when your body says "hell no i won't work anymore" he had all the heart in the world but his body was finished.

I don't see how that proves he didn't deserve it. If he'd been healthy they would've blown by KSU and LSU. Just b/c during the regular season when he was in bad health but not as bad as the end of the season he was putting up phenomenal numbers.

Plus it proves how important he was to the team. When he went down in the last two games they went down. And they had pretty much the same team minus AD.

So how would OU be undefeated without Jason White?

 

Seriously read and consider everything I just wrote rather than going off on a "there he goes about OU again!" think about it objectively. The guy put up huge numbers and deserved the Heisman at about half of his health. Then he got injured and continued to play. The guy's hand and foot were broken. His knees were shot to hell. How does that prove he's not a great player? The season proved how good he was. In those last two games it hurt to watch him play football b/c he was obviously in pain. Everytime he snapped the ball and threw it his face contorted in pain. A sports writer said at the Heisman ceremony he went up and shook Jason White's throwing hand and he winced in pain. That doesn't sound like a bad player. That sounds like an injured player.

This season he's completely healthy and more experienced. Without him OU would've lost to OSU and KSU. Period. Without AD, White would've thrown for the same that he threw last season. Hell they scored more points last season with Jason White just throwing the ball.

 

 

 

Oh and why would Leinart deserve it over the other QB's? I mean Alex Smith deserves it IMO if you're going to give it to a QB. Plus Leinart isn't even the best player on his team! Reggie Bush is.

[Angel_Grace_Blue 0]

Maybe it's just me, but White playing as hurt as you say he was is kind of dumb. If he had so many problems, he should have backed down. I think a real leader would think "Man, I'm not playing like I was. These injuries are dragging me down. I should turn it over to someone else." But, he didn't, and they lost.

 

I'm just wondering what the Heisman scene would look like if Auburn only had one star running back. Easy to put up huge numbers when you don't have to split your carries with another player...

 

Back to your whatever this is.