EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 4, 2004 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1915690 The Philadelphia Phillies have decided to hire Charlie Manuel to be their new manager, a baseball source who has spoken with the club told ESPN.com's Jayson Stark. Manuel, who managed the Cleveland Indians in 2000, 2001 and part of the 2002 season, is expected to be officially introduced at a news conference Thursday. A news conference had not been scheduled as of Wednesday night. The 60-year-old Manuel, Jim Leyland and Jim Fregosi had emerged as the three finalists from a field of eight candidates. However, Manuel's familiarity with the club, after two seasons working as a special advisor to general manager Ed Wade, helped separate him from the field. Manuel will succeed Larry Bowa, who was fired in the final weekend of the 2004 season after a four-year run as manager. The Phillies had three winning seasons under Bowa but failed to reach the postseason. Jim Leyland gave some troubling quotes about productive outs, so its probably best that he wasn't hired. Manuel comes from a limited major league managing background, but he experienced success with the Cleveland Indians. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therealworldschampion 0 Report post Posted November 4, 2004 I don't know what to say, I'm disappointed. It could've been worse, we could've hired ::shudder:: Fregosi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted November 4, 2004 Boo. Leyland's won a title, and experienced great success w/ his Pirates teams. Moreover, he wanted to coach the team. To me, it was a no-brainer. Leyland told the team where their problems were, and I assume that's what lost him the job, which is bullshit. I guess they saw Schilling pick the manager for the Red Sox, and figured it would work out the same here (letting Thome pick the next guy). Somehow, I don't think it's going to work out as well here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therealworldschampion 0 Report post Posted November 4, 2004 It doesn't suprise me that the Phillies ownership would cop out like this. I hope to god that stadium draws under a million this year so the Gang of Idiots finally sells the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 4, 2004 Boo. Leyland's won a title, and experienced great success w/ his Pirates teams. Moreover, he wanted to coach the team. To me, it was a no-brainer. Leyland told the team where their problems were, and I assume that's what lost him the job, which is bullshit. From Leyland... "One of the things we talked about is that they swing and miss too much," he said bluntly. "They didn't really make productive outs. We're talking about situational hitting, putting the ball in play, moving runners. I ran data for these kind of things. There is NO correlation between productive outs and scoring runs. There is no correlation between striking out and failing to score runs. Situational hitting? The Phillies team OPS was .788. It was .784 in Close and Late situations, and with runners in scoring position. It was .770 with runners in scoring position and 2 outs, and .767 with the bases loaded. Negligible differences. Hell, the Phillies finished third in runs scored. That would indicate the problem was their pitching. Leyland failed to identify the real problems with the team. I guess they saw Schilling pick the manager for the Red Sox, and figured it would work out the same here (letting Thome pick the next guy). Somehow, I don't think it's going to work out as well here. Manuel's been with the organization a few years. Thome's a no-nonsense guy, and I doubt he'll start dictating managerial selection. Especially since no one makes a decision involving Thome like they do with a pitcher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therealworldschampion 0 Report post Posted November 4, 2004 Leyland failed to identify the real problems with the team Yeah I can spot the real problem with the team..... *Check the avatar* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted November 4, 2004 As Howard Eskin just put so properly... the Phillies managerial staff is now all full of "Yes"-men. This sucks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therealworldschampion 0 Report post Posted November 4, 2004 Charlie Manuel is the Phillies version of Rich Kotite. They were afraid of hiring Leyland because they didn't want someone to actually, you know, call out Wade, Montgomery, and the rest of the ownership on their absolute shit job they have done. They wanted a puppet, well now they have one. A heary and sincere "Fuck You" to Ed Wade, David Montgomery, and the rest of the douchebags that own the Phillies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 5, 2004 As Howard Eskin just put so properly... the Phillies managerial staff is now all full of "Yes"-men. This sucks. Howard Eskin can kiss my ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
garfieldsnose 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2008 Thanks, Charlie! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Psycho Penguin 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2008 lol I always love reading old topics like this. Thanks for the bump! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2008 As Howard Eskin just put so properly... the Phillies managerial staff is now all full of "Yes"-men. This sucks. Howard Eskin can kiss my ass. Howard Eskin can still kiss my ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2008 I read it as the Phillies fire Charlie Manuel. That would be counterproductive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
