The Republican Wish List

[Guest Olympic Slam]

Well as the other 600 threads about the election have stated: Bush won and gained seats in the House and Senate. The left is in full-on panic mode as to what Bush and those EVIL Christians might have in store for the country for the next four years.

 

Now what? We wanted it, now we got it.

 

The question is, what do you want Bush to do (or not to do, we are conservatives after all....) during the next four years of his reign of terror?

 

Iran? North Korea? Patriot Act 2: Electric Gulag-aloo? Flat tax? Pull out of the U.N?

 

You voted for them, now demand you're rewards! Liberals and Democrats, feel free to join in and make your fears known.

 

I'll get the ball rolling:

 

- Bush better not sign any form of the Free Trade Agreement of the Americas.

[MrRant 0]

North Korea.

 

I don't trust those short little bastards.

[CBright7831 0]

I want a million dollars in cash, and an autograph picture of President Bush.

[Guest SideFXs]

Do something about illegal immigration. Arizona did.

 

They passed Prop. 200, which ends state welfare for illegal immigrants. It is designed to combat voter and benefits fraud by non-citizens. President Fox calls it discriminatory. I think its genius. Issue 200 eliminates any incentive, stop in Arizona.

 

Now that takes care of the sponges, but still does nothing to stop terrorists. That's what President Bush needs to do. Clean up the I.N.S. and strengthen the border.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Cheaper cigarettes; more guns.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Thing is nothing will probably get done because A) the Dems will filibuster anything and everything in the Senate, and/or B) Republican in-fighting will cease to get anything done. And let's not forget how Big Media will cover any change. Anyone remember what they did when Republicans first took charge in '94?...

[The Czech Republic 0]

I want a swift end to the Iraq war. We've gotta wrap things up there on our own, not with any "opinions" from Europe. I think everyone is sick of Iraq.

 

I want taxes to go down and spending to go down.

 

I want no additions to the Patriot Act.

[2GOLD 0]

Either make the UN straighten up or kick them out of the country. Sorry, but I'm tired of them sitting on their ass and then expecting us to do things they are too lazy to handle.

 

Let's see how long they last when we aren't footing the bill for them. The US has been overly tolerant to those morons.

[The Czech Republic 0]

I think I'm a bad conservative from my wish list.

[2GOLD 0]

Hey, I agree with you. Course, I shouldn't even be in this thread I just realized. I'm not a freakin Republican.

 

My gf's mom would kill me if I was...literally.

[LatinAssasin 0]

Do something about illegal immigration. Arizona did.

 

They passed Prop. 200, which ends state welfare for illegal immigrants. It is designed to combat voter and benefits fraud by non-citizens. President Fox calls it discriminatory. I think its genius. Issue 200 eliminates any incentive, stop in Arizona.

 

Now that takes care of the sponges, but still does nothing to stop terrorists. That's what President Bush needs to do. Clean up the I.N.S. and strengthen the border.

I think this is the best suggestion. They need to pass this in Texas and California. If we take care of this problem, taxes might go down, which would be awesome.

 

Aside from that, I hope President Bush strays away from the Christian voters to make sure the seperation between church and state stays intact.

[Justice 0]

Cancer Marney (2:14:12 PM): In that Republican wishlist thread, note the following: "Cancer Marney wants remote-controlled laser-tipped flying robot sharks."

Cancer Marney (2:14:41 PM): I think it would encourage constructive debate.

[The Czech Republic 0]

I also want an end to affirmative action and hire and admit based solely on merit.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Cancer Marney (2:14:12 PM): In that Republican wishlist thread, note the following: "Cancer Marney wants remote-controlled laser-tipped flying robot sharks."

Cancer Marney (2:14:41 PM): I think it would encourage constructive debate.

Why not use real sharks, or better yet, dolphins, to piss off the pseudo-hippies.

 

Sadly SideFX, some judge will throw out what the voters of AZ did...

[The Czech Republic 0]

I don't understand why illegal aliens would get money from the American government, at all. Explain this to me.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

I also want an end to affirmative action and hire and admit based solely on merit.

 

Affirmative action works by determining what percentage of qualified women and minorities are available to a company, and then setting a goal for hiring that percentage. For example, suppose a minority makes up 30 percent of the local population, but only 15 percent are qualified for the company's jobs. The goal for the company is 15 percent, not 30 percent. And if the company makes a good-faith effort to reach this goal but fails, then it incurs no legal penalty -- the goal is simply reset for the next year, and the next, and the next, if need be. The courts step in with quotas only in the case of blatant discrimination against clearly qualified minorities.

[2GOLD 0]

But doesn't that still put a divide? Setting standards for people based on gender or color, no matter if they are supposed to be positive, is a negative.

 

Companies should be hiring on skill and merit and not having to meet some quota that may be a negative for their company.

 

There are many females and many people of different races who can make it on their own merit but will be looked at as getting their position because of AA. It places an unfair stereotype on them.

 

The World will NEVER get over the hump until we can look past gender and race. And AA, while it's intentions may have been good, continues to place a barrier. Companies hiring practices should be monitored, but not based on if they hired a certain number of a certain type of person.

 

If person A is more qualified than person B, but person B is a female then why is it right for person B to get the job? Doesn't that lower the bar for some and set an unfair bar for others to climb over?

[Guest Brian]

Don't forget Affirmative Action in many states also works for Veterans, children of veterans, and disabled, especially in University admissions.

[Justice 0]

I also want an end to affirmative action and hire and admit based solely on merit.

 

Affirmative action works by determining what percentage of qualified women and minorities are available to a company, and then setting a goal for hiring that percentage. For example, suppose a minority makes up 30 percent of the local population, but only 15 percent are qualified for the company's jobs. The goal for the company is 15 percent, not 30 percent. And if the company makes a good-faith effort to reach this goal but fails, then it incurs no legal penalty -- the goal is simply reset for the next year, and the next, and the next, if need be. The courts step in with quotas only in the case of blatant discrimination against clearly qualified minorities.

The thing is, even if they are quallified there may be non-minorities that are more quallified. Why should they get jipped because someone is black or female or *insert minority group here*. The entire idea of trying to hire based on demographics of population is idiotic. In the business world, the best people get hired for the job, regardless of anything else other than qualifications. Companies who discriminate on the basis of race will eventually fail to other companies who do hire more quallified minorities. Simple as that.

 

There are fewer and fewer uses for AA. It's too big and overarching a program to fix the nuances of society today. At this point we are beyond programs and just have to wait for eventual social change to take effect.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

You make very good points and I pretty much agree with everything you said. I just don't know if the country is really enlightened enough to hire fairly without affirmative action.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

^^^directed to 2Gold

[The Czech Republic 0]

Well we certainly know the GREAT Northeast and West Coast are enlightened! For the rest of the country is just Jesusland! LOL2004!

[Justice 0]

Don't forget Affirmative Action in many states also works for Veterans, children of veterans, and disabled, especially in University admissions.

Eh, It's easy to chalk up the Veterans advantage to the unique experiences that the military and war bring on. You can chalk that up to other things.

 

Other than that, I don't see a problem with letting the others survive without AA. I don't see why the kids of veterans need a helping hand, and the Disabled are protected from discrimination under numerous Disabilities Acts.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Why should they get jipped because someone is black or female or *insert minority group here*.

 

Affirmative Action is not meant to help blacks because of the color of their skin, but because they deserve compensation for past and continuing injustices.

[Justice 0]

Why should they get jipped because someone is black or female or *insert minority group here*.

 

Affirmative Action is not meant to help blacks because of the color of their skin, but because they deserve compensation for past and continuing injustices.

The Supreme Court has said that you cannot justify AA on the basis of "Paying for the sins of one's Father". Try again.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

White males do not lose the right to be hired for high-paying jobs; qualified women and minorities gain that right. True, awarding these rights will deprive some white males of their unfair chance to gain a high-paying job. But they should have never had such undue privilege in the first place, and taking it from them is not a violation of their rights.

[2GOLD 0]

You make very good points and I pretty much agree with everything you said. I just don't know if the country is really enlightened enough to hire fairly without affirmative action.

 

You'd be surprised what money does.

You may have lots of racists running companies, but they are still greedy. And Greed in today's world overpowers racism in the business world.

 

They may not like black people, but if they can make them money then they will hire them. Maybe not gladly, but they'll be happy when they are counting the money.

 

Same goes for the "women should be barefoot in the kitchen making me dinner" men. Make them money, then they may have the same view on women but they damn sure won't mind hiring them as much.

[Guest macheteofodin]

I always looked at AA as Person A and Person B are equally qualified. If the company is low on the "minority quota" and Person A is a minority, he/she/it gets the job.

 

At any rate, I agree with what 2Gold said. In the long run, when it comes to business the only color people see is green.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

But discrimination is still very widespread according to social science data.

[Justice 0]

White males do not lose the right to be hired for high-paying jobs; qualified women and minorities gain that right. True, awarding these rights will deprive some white males of their unfair chance to gain a high-paying job. But they should have never had such undue privilege in the first place, and taking it from them is not a violation of their rights.

Sorry, but I don't agree. I don't think in today's world that a woman lacks that priveledge anymore. Same with blacks. To say that all white males today have undue privilegde isn't true today. It may have been true back then, but it's not nearly as true today. There is access to education for both those groups you mention, and there isn't the discrimination to hold them down like years past. Minorities are advancing up into the upper echelons of the business world and it's not because of AA: It's because they are the best people for their job.

 

 

You argue something that has basically been debunked long ago in the courts, an invalid argument from days past that no longer holds true in today's society. Programs are no longer the answer, gradual social change is.You are discriminating and denying someone from succeeding solely based on their race or gender. That's just as bad as what was happening before. It creates just as much of a social stimga ("Oh look, here comes Affirmative Action" or "Oh, they only got in to fill a quota"), which prevents that social change from taking place.