US strikes raze Falluja hospital

[Guest MikeSC]

Sucks having empathy for the rest of the world, don't it?

 

Easy making judgments on the world from your safe surroundings where you'll never have any fear of having a bomb dropped onto your computer.

 

 

 

Edit: America isn't safe at all, silly me! Buy your war rations soon!!

Actually, we are the ones ACTUALLY protecting people, not just paying lip service to it. Must be nice to have had our protection for decades.

-=Mike

Don't need your protection at all, Mike.

 

Unlike America, no one has a beef with Scotland or Britain for that matter in a serious sense. We let millions of immigrants in in recent years and it's generally considered a good place to live. And what exactly are the Black Watch doing at the moment, other than helping America in Iraq? That's not lip-service; that's genuine support.

Are you speaking German?

 

No?

 

You're welcome.

-=Mike

[Murmuring Beast 0]

A typically cryptic response, Mike. When you have no witty response in your canon, CONFUSE THE VIEWER!

 

Brilliant, as usual.

 

You're welcome, by the way.

 

Also, good to see your disciples rush to your aid...

[The Czech Republic 0]

I comprehended Mike's post more than yours.

[Justice 0]

omg cockfight

[Guest MikeSC]

A typically cryptic response, Mike. When you have no witty response in your canon, CONFUSE THE VIEWER!

 

Brilliant, as usual.

 

You're welcome, by the way.

 

Also, good to see your disciples rush to your aid...

Wow, weak at logic AND history?

 

Well, I'm not surprised.

-=Mike

...Are you going to continue your fucking inane attempts at flaming?

[Murmuring Beast 0]

A typically cryptic response, Mike. When you have no witty response in your canon, CONFUSE THE VIEWER!

 

Brilliant, as usual.

 

You're welcome, by the way.

 

Also, good to see your disciples rush to your aid...

Wow, weak at logic AND history?

 

Well, I'm not surprised.

-=Mike

...Are you going to continue your fucking inane attempts at flaming?

Another quality post, Mike!!

 

I seem to have hit a nerve also, so I think you should take a time-out so your conservo-mates can step in to help you.

[Guest Anglesault]

A typically cryptic response, Mike. When you have no witty response in your canon, CONFUSE THE VIEWER!

 

Brilliant, as usual.

 

You're welcome, by the way.

 

Also, good to see your disciples rush to your aid...

What in the hell was confusing about that?

[Guest MikeSC]

Wow, weak at logic AND history?

 

Well, I'm not surprised.

-=Mike

...Are you going to continue your fucking inane attempts at flaming?

There. All of the idiocy is edited out.

-=Mike

[Murmuring Beast 0]

A typically cryptic response, Mike. When you have no witty response in your canon, CONFUSE THE VIEWER!

 

Brilliant, as usual.

 

You're welcome, by the way.

 

Also, good to see your disciples rush to your aid...

What in the hell was confusing about that?

Are you speaking German?

 

No?

 

You're welcome.

-=Mike

 

Silly me, that makes perfect sense!!

[Murmuring Beast 0]

Wow, weak at logic AND history?

 

Well, I'm not surprised.

-=Mike

...Are you going to continue your fucking inane attempts at flaming?

There. All of the idiocy is edited out.

-=Mike

Content-o-meter: About 12%, must do better next time, Mike.

 

And everyone knows you're called Mike, so you don't need to keep typing Mike at the end of each post, Mike.

[Guest MikeSC]

Wow, weak at logic AND history?

 

Well, I'm not surprised.

-=Mike

...Are you going to continue your fucking inane attempts at flaming?

There. All of the idiocy is edited out.

-=Mike

More idiocy removed. Also removed is ridiculous petty bitching.

-=Mike

[Murmuring Beast 0]

Wow, weak at logic AND history?

 

Well, I'm not surprised.

-=Mike

...Are you going to continue your fucking inane attempts at flaming?

There. All of the idiocy is edited out.

-=Mike

More idiocy removed. Also removed is ridiculous petty bitching.

-=Mike

Inane flaming???

[Guest Anglesault]

A typically cryptic response, Mike. When you have no witty response in your canon, CONFUSE THE VIEWER!

 

Brilliant, as usual.

 

You're welcome, by the way.

 

Also, good to see your disciples rush to your aid...

What in the hell was confusing about that?

Are you speaking German?

 

No?

 

You're welcome.

-=Mike

 

Silly me, that makes perfect sense!!

Uhm, yes, in fact it does, and I'm sure if you think about World History for a minute it will come to you.

[Murmuring Beast 0]

A typically cryptic response, Mike. When you have no witty response in your canon, CONFUSE THE VIEWER!

 

Brilliant, as usual.

 

You're welcome, by the way.

 

Also, good to see your disciples rush to your aid...

What in the hell was confusing about that?

Are you speaking German?

 

No?

 

You're welcome.

-=Mike

 

Silly me, that makes perfect sense!!

Uhm, yes, in fact it does, and I'm sure if you think about World History for a minute it will come to you.

Thanks for that. Now back to WWE folder.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

A typically cryptic response, Mike. When you have no witty response in your canon, CONFUSE THE VIEWER!

 

Brilliant, as usual.

 

You're welcome, by the way.

 

Also, good to see your disciples rush to your aid...

What in the hell was confusing about that?

Are you speaking German?

 

No?

 

You're welcome.

-=Mike

 

Silly me, that makes perfect sense!!

Uhm, yes, in fact it does, and I'm sure if you think about World History for a minute it will come to you.

Oh shut up. You didn't do anything, Mike didn't do anything, nobody whose American on this board did anything. A bunch of brave soldiers kicked Nazi ass about sixty some-odd years ago. Some were American, British, Canadian, etc. American soldiers definitely put our side over the top (our side being DEMOCRACY here and I'm not drawing any international lines with this one) and you have NO right whatsoever to run your mouth about how YOU should be thanked for saving HIS ass.

 

Guess what? YOU should be doing the thanking, as should Mike, as should I, as should MB, to all the people who, you know, FOUGHT IN THE FUCKING WAR. Regardless of what country they were in, YOU WOULD BE SPEAKING GERMAN TOO IF IT WASN'T FOR THEM! So because you're from the same country that means that you should be taking the glory? NO, you should be thanking your fathers and grandfathers (along with the rest of us, as much as you might like to think so the US did NOT win this war on its own, no matter how much you'd like to spin THAT) for fighting the good fight and prevailing. The fact that you hail from ONE of the countries that represented the good guys, so to speak, of WW2 doesn't mean you share their credit. Like the rest of us, you owe just as much to the Allied Soldier for standing up to the evil that was Hitler.

 

I'm Canadian, you're American. But that's irrelevant, seeing as how we both did nothing.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Yeah, this thread got off-topic.

[Guest MikeSC]

Oh shut up. You didn't do anything, Mike didn't do anything, nobody whose American on this board did anything. A bunch of brave soldiers kicked Nazi ass about sixty some-odd years ago. Some were American, British, Canadian, etc. American soldiers definitely put our side over the top (our side being DEMOCRACY here and I'm not drawing any international lines with this one) and you have NO right whatsoever to run your mouth about how YOU should be thanked for saving HIS ass.

Without American interference, Britain goes down. And if we use the CURRENT immoral philosophy of most of the EU, we had no right to get involved --- period.

 

Funny, when our aid BENEFITS them directly, the EU WANTS our help.

 

Fuck all of them. As Washington said, we need to avoid emotional ties to foreign states. When an "alliance" ceases being beneficial, we should pull out and let them suffer.

Guess what? YOU should be doing the thanking, as should Mike, as should I, as should MB, to all the people who, you know, FOUGHT IN THE FUCKING WAR. Regardless of what country they were in, YOU WOULD BE SPEAKING GERMAN TOO IF IT WASN'T FOR THEM!

We could've beaten Germany with NO assistance if needed.

-=Mike

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Oh shut up. You didn't do anything, Mike didn't do anything, nobody whose American on this board did anything. A bunch of brave soldiers kicked Nazi ass about sixty some-odd years ago. Some were American, British, Canadian, etc. American soldiers definitely put our side over the top (our side being DEMOCRACY here and I'm not drawing any international lines with this one) and you have NO right whatsoever to run your mouth about how YOU should be thanked for saving HIS ass.

Without American interference, Britain goes down. And if we use the CURRENT immoral philosophy of most of the EU, we had no right to get involved --- period.

 

Funny, when our aid BENEFITS them directly, the EU WANTS our help.

 

Fuck all of them. As Washington said, we need to avoid emotional ties to foreign states. When an "alliance" ceases being beneficial, we should pull out and let them suffer.

Guess what? YOU should be doing the thanking, as should Mike, as should I, as should MB, to all the people who, you know, FOUGHT IN THE FUCKING WAR. Regardless of what country they were in, YOU WOULD BE SPEAKING GERMAN TOO IF IT WASN'T FOR THEM!

We could've beaten Germany with NO assistance if needed.

-=Mike

Well you're arguing the wrong part of my post really. I should have put down, "but that's another argument", but I thought it wasn't necessary. Guess I was wrong.

 

The point I made, still stands.

[cbacon 0]

Remember Verne- this is the fuckhead who thought Election Day was a bigger tragedy then 9.11

 

It's more than an election. It's shaping the geo-political nature of the world for the next 4 years and beyond. Put it into perspective, on 9/11 3,000 innocent lives were taken. A horrible tragedy yes, but how many lives have been lost since war was waged on Iraq? By the time it's all said and done, there will probably be the same amount of US troops dead, not withstanding the 100,000 dead Iraqi's. But the media would like not like to acknowledge this as often, American lives are worth more right?

 

The point is, the re-election of George Bush has let a war criminal continue his war mongering idealogy. The fact that half of the US voted for this man acknowledges that these atrocities are justifiable. I, along with many others felt the same sick feeling in our stomachs the moment of hearing his election that we did when hearing of the attacks on the Twin Towers. Except this time the end result is far more civilian deaths. If these were the Nuremberg trials, he would have been hanged by now.

 

Obviously when you look at it from a connotative perspective, a plane crashing into the WTC is worse than an election. Except one of these outcomes has far more dire consequences to the lives of innocent lives in Iraq, and God knows who and where else in the next 4 years.

 

Considering 90% of the living people there right now are Terrorists what's the problem?

 

That's a nice spin on it. Anyone acting as a resistance to a US led occupation is now a terrorist. Good to know.

 

Getting rid of the people who supported and kept Saddam in power will help make a stable democracy. Don't you get that?

 

Funny, I don't recall hospitals collapsing and cities being destroyed the way they are now while Saddam was in power. Nor do I recall civilians being physically humiliated and emotionally and sexually tortured. Nor do I recall the amount of lives taken being on the same level as Saddam's regieme.

 

And how is this democracy going to work exactly? A nice little US occupied state with permanent military bases with little representation of all states seems the likely outcome. The heterogenous nature of the country will not be able to sustain a strong democracy without resulting in chaos. Sunni Muslims and Kurds won't take to kindly to a Shiite controlled nation. But what does it matter in the long run, as long the US has their permament military bases there?

 

Furthermore, if you believe the removal of Saddam is the first priority on this occupation, why isn't the US going over to their friends in Saudi Arabia and liberating their people? Or Egypt even? They don't seem to have problems with oppressive dictatorships such as these. They've being doing so for years.

[Guest SP-1]

Nah. Saddam didn't need to round them up in a compact area like a Hospital. He just let his kids loose in the streets and they mowed them down where they stood.

[cbacon 0]

Yes, I think we can all agree that Saddam was an evil man who did evil things like that to his people.

[Justice 0]

It's more than an election. It's shaping the geo-political nature of the world for the next 4 years and beyond. Put it into perspective, on 9/11 3,000 innocent lives were taken. A horrible tragedy yes, but how many lives have been lost since war was waged on Iraq? By the time it's all said and done, there will probably be the same amount of US troops dead, not withstanding the 100,000 dead Iraqi's. But the media would like not like to acknowledge this as often, American lives are worth more right?

 

The point is, the re-election of George Bush has let a war criminal continue his war mongering idealogy. The fact that half of the US voted for this man acknowledges that these atrocities are justifiable. I, along with many others felt the same sick feeling in our stomachs the moment of hearing his election that we did when hearing of the attacks on the Twin Towers. Except this time the end result is far more civilian deaths. If these were the Nuremberg trials, he would have been hanged by now.

 

Obviously when you look at it from a connotative perspective, a plane crashing into the WTC is worse than an election. Except one of these outcomes has far more dire consequences to the lives of innocent lives in Iraq, and God knows who and where else in the next 4 years.

*Sigh*

 

No, it's your virulent, conspiratorical hatred of a man and nation that you so want to believe is evil. You've posted nothing on this forum that doesn't damn the United States for being an Imperialistic, Capitalist-Driven, Slave-creating state that enjoys nothing more than hurting other countries and enforcing their will as though we got some sexual thrill out of having to invade other countries.

 

You constantly posted incredibly biased and flawed commentary that generally that lacks any deeper message that "America bad! World doomed!" and act as though we should thank you for enlightening us with this sardonic drivel that lacks even the factual merits of a Michael Moore film. The entire 100,000 Iraqis being dead hasn't yet been confirmed by anyone and has been called into question by numerous people world-wide truly shows how easily you grasp onto something that has yet to be proven definitively yet fits your needs for the moment.

 

I love the "war criminal" accusation. Truly brilliant, indeed. You've just shown yourself to be as original as the 14-year olds at the Democratic Underground. You lack any real understanding of what 'reality' is, and instead to justify your extreme ideological differences you paint your opponents are war-mongering, hateful capitalists, abusing and raping Iraq 'til her bossom is sucked dry and her people are left to die in the wasteland that we have created for her.

 

You lack any understand of the fall of the Twin Towers to compare the two. You illogical, blinding bitterness has completely shielded you from any concept that could possibly mean that Bush does not wish death and hegemony upon the rest of the world. As though he called for the destruction of the Iraqi people for the glory of the Aryan race. The towers falling meant something deeper psychologically to every American. I doubt you understand it: You subscribe to the theory that it was a reaction to the Consumer Slave culture that the PNAC is trying to push on the World. It's not a true tragedy, we brought it on ourselves. Of course you think an election result is worse.

 

You child. You toddler.

 

Wake up. Realize the truth that has been sitting infront of you. Stopping going blind from looking for words between the lines that don't exist.

 

Saddam killed over a million people abroad. He caused the deaths of 300,000 during sactions due to his skimming off a program meant to help the people of Iraq. All while you and the rest of the world watched, approving only because it held the status quota. Now the same goes on in Darfur, waiting for the UN to react. Please, where's the numbers on that one? Or do you ignore that because it doesn't fit into your agenda?

 

"The only thing necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."

 

I suppose, though, doing nothing is your MO. Gotta protect that status quo, and all.

 

That's a nice spin on it. Anyone acting as a resistance to a US led occupation is now a terrorist. Good to know.

 

 

Considering that they are fighting against a government recognized by the UN and the majority of Iraqis, I suppose that would be it, right? I guess when they drive car bombs into buildings they are only setting the brainwashed fools free, rather they live their lives on their knees under the reign of Bush's dog Allawi. We should thank them for such an honor.

 

Funny, I don't recall hospitals collapsing and cities being destroyed the way they are now while Saddam was in power. Nor do I recall civilians being physically humiliated and emotionally and sexually tortured. Nor do I recall the amount of lives taken being on the same level as Saddam's regieme.

 

And how is this democracy going to work exactly? A nice little US occupied state with permanent military bases with little representation of all states seems the likely outcome. The heterogenous nature of the country will not be able to sustain a strong democracy without resulting in chaos. Sunni Muslims and Kurds won't take to kindly to a Shiite controlled nation. But what does it matter in the long run, as long the US has their permament military bases there?

 

Furthermore, if you believe the removal of Saddam is the first priority on this occupation, why isn't the US going over to their friends in Saudi Arabia and liberating their people? Or Egypt even? They don't seem to have problems with oppressive dictatorships such as these. They've being doing so for years.

 

Funny. I remember Saddam torturing numerous people for opposing them. I suppose putting someone on an electrified bedframe is equal to what we've done. Of course, they did much more of that and other unspeakables that you really don't like talking about because it makes your inane, flawed talking points sound that much less childish. Saddam didn't torture or kill anyone, right? Is that something you got from Common Dreams, or just Matthew Good?

 

Perhaps I'm the only one remembering the starvation and poverty that Saddam kept his people under, the squallor they endured while he had Presidential Palace after Presidential Palace built. Maybe I'm just creating the general underlying fear that the Iraqi people constantly lived under because Saddam constantly kept his people under the watch from his own secret police.

 

Again, Saddam took over a Million Lives before we invaded, and after we put sanctions on him over 300,000 died to fill his greed. Not even open warfare and fighting, but from starvation, hit squads, torture, and bad living conditions. If you forgot that, I'll be pleased to remind you of the fact. But, please, clinge to the notion that Iraq will forever be worse because we intervined there. It amuses me greatly that someone can be so ignorant yet try and act so intelligent.

 

No, they can't have democracy. It's impossible. They need a tyrant to hold them all together. In suffering and in fear. What an excellent idea. I guess Stalin was A-OK in your book because he really unified the Russian people under his Iron Curtain of mass purges and poverty.

 

Do you want to know the real reason? The real reason why we are there?

 

Not for oil.

 

Not for the spread of Christianity.

 

Not for WMDs.

 

Not for the glorious spread of Democracy.

 

We are there because this is thelast resort for the Middle East. There is no other foreign policy solution besides laying down democracy. It isn't a happy thing, it's a sad, last ditch effort to fight Islamofacism.

 

Containment failed.

 

Appeasement failed.

 

Ignoring it failed. Quite spectacularly, actually, on 9/11.

 

Now, the only way to destroy this entire ideology is by placing down the system that wipes out this sort of ignorance: Democracy. We are just setting up the dominos right now: We have Pakistan, which we strong-armed with the "You're with us or you're against us" message, which is now holding up Afganistan as well. Iraq is teetering, but holding. Next is probably Syria/Lebanon (I'm sure your weeping for the Baathist regieme there). We are standing these democracies up so that eventually the center of all this will finally collapse under the social pressures of change. It's a long, hard plan, but it's the only way to truly eliminate Islamofacism. Though, I have to say, I love the hypocracy of first damning our actions and then berating us for not moving faster. Nothing works better than slapping a guy for doing something you don't approve of and then slapping him again for not doing it faster this time.

 

If you want to try and claim we are the facists, go ahead. Feel free. You support people who attack civilians, behead innocent people, and call for the death of those who do not believe in their twisted take of Islam. I guess it doesn't hurt me when I know what sort of company that you are in.

 

I await for your solution of ignoring it again and hoping that the terrorists will lay down their arms because of the stop of all "imperialistic" actions by the evil empire in their region. I want to hear your ideas for fixing the region through peace, love, and compromise. I want to hear something other than your vague promises and unabashed rhetoric.

 

Oh, and you finally admitted that "Alright, Saddam did do bad stuff". Good for you.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Good post Powerplay but you're really wasting your effort on C-Bacon.

[cbacon 0]

No one needs to believe in some sort of conspiratorical doctrine to know that the actions taken by this administration are not benifitting the Iraqi, Afghani or American people for that matter. You accuse me of constantly pointing out the 'evils' of US foreign policy. I have serious qualms with the way your country has gone about their actions, so obviously I would. By the same token I could say that you act as a constant reminder that further exemplifies the 'my country, right or wrong' attitude when all you do is act as an apologist for the war, never acknowledging the many things that have gone wrong since the invasion or even coming to terms that your government has done some awful things in the past and present no matter how many instances are brought up. Anything other than the same rheoteric being echoed by the media is considered outrageous and border-line conspiracy, heaven forbid the US has unjust intentions. There's a noble and honest reason for everything right?

 

Psychologically the Twin Towers falling means more to Americans? That's understandable, but how do you think an Iraqi man 'pyschologically' feels about his family being killed as a result of a US air raid? Your getting into personal bias, obviously the recipeints of such crimes are going to feel the pain more. However, when the death tally is added up between the the war on Iraq and 9/11 the devastation is highly more severe in Iraq. Of course you'd like to conveniently draw a parallel between me thinking that the specific act of a President I do not like being re-elected and the events of 9/11 being on the same level. This is not the case, i'm looking at the entire scope of things here, the re-election of a man that sent thousands to die in the desert and kill ten to hundreds of thousands in the process.

 

Does Bush wish death upon the world? It seems like your trying to paint me as somone who is literally trying to say that Bush and Satan are one in the same. An extreme exaggeration on my stance on the whole issue really. No, I do not believe that Bush 'wishes' death upon the world, but rather he has no qualms about the loss of human life to sustain this administrations goals. And evidently, neither do you.

 

 

And for what? Not for WMD's you say? What did Bush say exactly on his address to the nation just before the war? Not for democracy you say? Funny, Bush uses buzzwords like that whenever the issue is brought up regarding what will happen to the country. Hmmm. So, according to you, it's a fight against Islamofacism? Well, it's good to know that your government is helping to deter the beliefs of millions in the Middle East. Now, you'll argue the term is synonymous with tyranny and terrorism, and in some ways, you'd be right, but why would there be such resentment towards the West in the first place? General distain for the West based on religious doctrine that totally unjustifiable? An ideology has been created based on US foreign policy, 'destroying' it by launching wars against nations such as Iraq is counter-productive. And again, it's interesting how the US picks and chooses which nations are a threat and which they can leave on their own and not worry about. Your rationale dictates that Iraq is the centre of Islamic fundamentalism. You know that's not the case. Of course when you have a leader that basis his actions on 'good' vs. 'evil' you tend to get this fundamental Christain attitude towards the Middle East. Their wrong, we're right, they must be changed. Is this suppose to ease resentment towards the West? Or further propagate future terrorists and al-Qaeda members?

 

According to you i'm trying to allude that Saddam never comitted any atrocities and Saddam is the glue that holds the country together. I love your spin doctoring here, it's admirable in the sense that you try so hard to vigilantly accuse me as a Saddam apologist to coincide with your opinion that i'm merely here to act as an anti-American zealot. I never did try to paint Saddam as anything less than a tyrant, but merely pointed out that the current status of the US occupied Iraq is far more devastating before the invasion. Even more outrageous is your warped claim that I somehow condone the actions of those who attack civlians and behead people. Obviously I don't condone the attacks on civlians, otherwise i'd be siding with you on your stance on how the US has gone about bombing the damn country. There were no qualms about targeting 'soft' targets such as in Nicaragua, and this war against the resistance movement is eerily similar. And no one should have been put in harms way for these barbarian fundamentalists to behead such prisoners in the first place.

 

If your solution to maintaining peace and civility and a democracy that is unlikely to sustain itself is to bomb the country and kill thousands of civilians, then the rest of the world has lots to look forward to.

 

You act as if American imperialism is some fabricated notion of a delusional mind. If that were the case, there wouldn't be so many pissed off Arabs in the Middle East. Or are they just bitching for no reason? Of course believing the status quo makes everything seem justifiable. That US foreign policy is fine the way it is, and the course of action currently being taken is truly the way to achieve a safer world.

 

And I really find it ironic for you to call me a child, all the while your slinging your childish insults as a means of validating your positions as correct.

 

But hey, if reality to you means America as the peace-spreading, equal opportunity and down-right do-gooding nation, who am I to trample on your bubble?

[cbacon 0]

Good post Powerplay but you're really wasting your effort on C-Bacon.

It must be nice to have people posting your opinions for you, dosen't it? Makes trolling all the more easy.

[Guest INXS]

I'm not going to bother aruging, Mike, because your embarrassing lack of human emotion continually drives you to flaming others for disagreeing with you.

No, my utter disdain for twidding idiots makes me unwilling to deal with inferior examples of carbon-based lifeforms.

 

Resume murmuring, because your writing and thought are inept.

-=Mike

Sorry Mike, totally forgot that you were Mr Genius 2004. You should run for office, seeing as you're far more intelligent than us all.

Not us all. Just far more intelligent than you --- but outside of fungus under a rock, C-Bacon, and INXS, who isn't?

-=Mike

I don't think you are in any position to comment on my intelligence, Mr Ignorant.

[bob_barron 0]

It's more than an election. It's shaping the geo-political nature of the world for the next 4 years and beyond. Put it into perspective, on 9/11 3,000 innocent lives were taken. A horrible tragedy yes, but how many lives have been lost since war was waged on Iraq? By the time it's all said and done, there will probably be the same amount of US troops dead, not withstanding the 100,000 dead Iraqi's. But the media would like not like to acknowledge this as often, American lives are worth more right?

 

Yea- you're a worthless fuckhead.

 

The 100,000 dead Iraqi thing is completely inaccurate and has been refuted here many times.

 

3,000 lives were taken on ONE day. 3,000 ordinary Americans who had nothing to do with anything were taken just for being Americans and showing up to work or getting a plane. A firefighter from my town- who I know had a family. Does that mean anything to you? No.

 

You'd rather sit here and piss and moan about Americans using their freedom and taken advantage of their democratic system and turning out in record numbers to vote. What a horrible day eh?

 

I'd much rather relive a day where I didn't know whether my mom was okay for 4 hours then a day where I watched election returns on CNN.

 

The point is, the re-election of George Bush has let a war criminal continue his war mongering idealogy. The fact that half of the US voted for this man acknowledges that these atrocities are justifiable. I, along with many others felt the same sick feeling in our stomachs the moment of hearing his election that we did when hearing of the attacks on the Twin Towers. Except this time the end result is far more civilian deaths. If these were the Nuremberg trials, he would have been hanged by now.

 

People like you make me sick. Canadians like you made me express any of my political views my first two years of school.

 

What's happening in Iraq and Afghanistan is justifiable. I'm sorry that a guy wanting to bring democracy to this world upsets you but I guess you only care about your own ass.

 

The fact that you felt the same sick feeling in your stomach when Kerry conceded that you did when the Towers were attacked makes you a worthless human being. You're one selfish disgusting son of a bitch.

 

Civilians do die in Iraq- and it's unfourtnuate. We do our best to make sure we kill as little as possible.

 

But how many more civilians would've died under Saddam's regime? Think about it.

 

 

Obviously when you look at it from a connotative perspective, a plane crashing into the WTC is worse than an election. Except one of these outcomes has far more dire consequences to the lives of innocent lives in Iraq, and God knows who and where else in the next 4 years.

 

Yea- the WTC attack had a lot of dire consequences on terrorists and countries that harbour terrorists.

 

Funny, I don't recall hospitals collapsing and cities being destroyed the way they are now while Saddam was in power. Nor do I recall civilians being physically humiliated and emotionally and sexually tortured. Nor do I recall the amount of lives taken being on the same level as Saddam's regieme.

 

That's because you're blind to the rest of the world's suffering unless you can use it to prove a point go 'BUSH BAD!' Even people who don't support this war acknowledge that Saddam physically, emotionally, and sexually tortured people.

 

And thanks to Saddam letting his citizens rot after the sanctions were imposed- a lot of Iraqis died. But you don't really care about them until the US attacks them right?

 

And how is this democracy going to work exactly? A nice little US occupied state with permanent military bases with little representation of all states seems the likely outcome. The heterogenous nature of the country will not be able to sustain a strong democracy without resulting in chaos. Sunni Muslims and Kurds won't take to kindly to a Shiite controlled nation. But what does it matter in the long run, as long the US has their permament military bases there?

 

Well there's free elections in January and then as Pres. Bush said- we'll teach them to police themselves and slowly but surely we will be able to leave.

 

You need to get some perspective and fast.

[bob_barron 0]

I don't think you are in any position to comment on my intelligence, Mr Ignorant.

You are the same guy, who despite being shown tons of evidence to the contrary insists there will be a draft

[Guest INXS]

I don't insist on it but I do think that it is probable if Bush wages war on Iran or Syria in the next year or two. What the government say and what they will do are two entirely different things.

[Guest PlatinumBoy]

I don't think you are in any position to comment on my intelligence, Mr Ignorant.

You are the same guy, who despite being shown tons of evidence to the contrary insists there will be a draft

Not to mention the same guy who sleeps with girls that have STDs, and breaks into his girlfriend's money.