Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2004 That he does, I'll agree with that. I really think you're overestimating Hillary's allure to the primary voters anymore. It's gone outside of the state of NY. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2004 Warner also may be running for Senate in 2006, which would likely put him out of the running in 2008. But we'll see. If he doesn't run in '06, he WILL be running in '08. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2004 Numerous accusations of using anti-Semitic slurs. Go on. Dick Morris isn't the only one who has stated he heard her discussing "Jew bastards" and the like. -=Mike Interesting. One minority down, several more to go. How many voting blocs can Hillary alienate? Well, she had that whole she thought Gandhi was running a gas station joke that went over --- well, as well as you'd expect it to. -=Mike Nah she got off too easy for that one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2004 Mark Warner, VA. Brad Henry, OK (Rob E's choice), Bill Richardson, NM Didn't even think of Mark Warner, but he could do it. Brad Henry has the problem of being virtually unknown. -=Mike So was Bill Clinton for the most part. I don't think New Mexico grabs the appeal. Need to go further middle America or South. Henry, Warner and Bayh seem like the best bets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 11, 2004 That he does, I'll agree with that. I really think you're overestimating Hillary's allure to the primary voters anymore. It's gone outside of the state of NY. But she has the money behind her. She can raise funds far more easily than the rest and that can be a big deal. Besides, the primary voters LOVE Bill --- and I imagine he'll campaign heavily for her. So was Bill Clinton for the most part. Not as bad. He was known --- infamously for an incredibly bad speech at the 1988 DNC (really, the biggest applause line he had was "And in closing..."). But, he did have a name in some circles --- and an exceptionally weak field. Just imagine what would have happened if Cuomo had decided to run in 1992. He was the favorite of the party faithful --- and would've been slaughtered. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2004 Besides, the primary voters LOVE Love what? EDIT: Never mind you fixed it Also, it seems like primary voters are really stupid sometimes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 11, 2004 Besides, the primary voters LOVE Love what? Also, it seems like primary voters are really stupid sometimes. In my case, they love hitting "Add reply" well before you're finished. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2004 Just imagine what would have happened if Cuomo had decided to run in 1992. He was the favorite of the party faithful --- and would've been slaughtered. "As for me, four simple words: I HAVE MOB TIES." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 11, 2004 Just imagine what would have happened if Cuomo had decided to run in 1992. He was the favorite of the party faithful --- and would've been slaughtered. "As for me, four simple words: I HAVE MOB TIES." One of my all-time favorite SNL skits. Keifer as Lloyd Bentsen was gold: "Folks, I'm old. And senile. And it's only going to get worse. Hell, I don't even know the names of half of the people up here" "Tipper, where's your husband, Senator Gore?" "He's with our kids at a gay porn theater" -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2004 I'm watching SNL Christmas, and Chevy Chase is AWFUL as Gerald Ford, if that's who he's attempting to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2004 Anyone considering Gore or Kerry as Dem possibilities? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 12, 2004 Anyone considering Gore or Kerry as Dem possibilities? No. Losing candidates seldom are successful later. And, Gore would be laughed at if he tried to run, after his moveon speeches. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 Believe me, if the primary voters will go for Kerry based on electability, they could elect one of these guys. For shits and giggles, I just looked up all of the Democratic governors. (FYI -- some may have lost re-election and the NGA's website hasn't been updated) Janet Napolitano -- AZ Ruth Ann Minner -- DE Rod Blagodjevich -- IL Joseph E. Kernan -- IN Tom Vilsack -- IA Kathleen Sebelius -- KS Kathleen Blanco -- LA John Baldacci -- ME Jennifer Granholm -- MI Bob Holden -- MO McGreevy from NJ is still listed Bill Richardson -- NM Michael Easley -- NC Brad Henry -- OK Ted Kulongosky -- OR Ed Rendell -- PA Phil Bredesen -- TN Mark Warner -- VA Gary Locke -- WA Bob Wise -- WV Jim Doyle -- WI Dave Freudenthal -- WY Let's use this as a worksheet for the next Democratic candidate, for argument's sake. I'm posting this now to prevent myself from losing this list, so I'll continue it in later posts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 Don't let Illinoisavich run, his hair frightens children. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 Cross off Ruth Ann Minner. Her own state hates that bitch, we just REALLY hated Bill Lee more than her. Lots of Democrats turned on her and voted third party. She was a total monster and if she runs then the Democrats might as well concede. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 Jesus Fucking Christ. I'm surprised it took this long to talk about '08... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 Based on 2GOLD's assessment of no New England candidates, that whittles the field down to: Janet Napolitano -- AZ Ruth Ann Minner -- DE Joseph E. Kernan -- IN Tom Vilsack -- IA Kathleen Sebelius -- KS Kathleen Blanco -- LA Jennifer Granholm -- MI Bob Holden -- MO Bill Richardson -- NM Michael Easley -- NC Brad Henry -- OK Ted Kulongosky -- OR Ed Rendell -- PA Phil Bredesen -- TN Mark Warner -- VA Gary Locke -- WA Bob Wise -- WV Jim Doyle -- WI Dave Freudenthal -- WY Surprisingly, not much of a difference. So, let's throw out anyone from a Democratic stronghold state (again, for argument's sake) Janet Napolitano -- AZ Joseph E. Kernan -- IN Tom Vilsack -- IA Kathleen Sebelius -- KS Kathleen Blanco -- LA Bob Holden -- MO Bill Richardson -- NM Michael Easley -- NC Brad Henry -- OK Ed Rendell -- PA Phil Bredesen -- TN Mark Warner -- VA Bob Wise -- WV Jim Doyle -- WI Dave Freudenthal -- WY Again, that doesn't help us a whole lot. Still quite a few candidates that qualify based on geography. So, let's throw out Rendell of PA for being incompetent, and all the women, because I doubt that any have a real shot as early as '08. That's not a judgment I agree with, but it's widely accepted and let's face it, I don't think it's gonna happen. Joseph E. Kernan -- IN Tom Vilsack -- IA Bob Holden -- MO Bill Richardson -- NM Michael Easley -- NC Brad Henry -- OK Phil Bredesen -- TN Mark Warner -- VA Bob Wise -- WV Jim Doyle -- WI Dave Freudenthal -- WY Now, we get down to the nitty gritty. Anyone else wanna play? Let's add more rules and kick some more of these guys out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 Just imagine what would have happened if Cuomo had decided to run in 1992. He was the favorite of the party faithful --- and would've been slaughtered. "As for me, four simple words: I HAVE MOB TIES." One of my all-time favorite SNL skits. Keifer as Lloyd Bentsen was gold: "Folks, I'm old. And senile. And it's only going to get worse. Hell, I don't even know the names of half of the people up here" "Tipper, where's your husband, Senator Gore?" "He's with our kids at a gay porn theater" -=Mike That's one of my favorite skits ever... I also liked how Kevin Nealon attempted to compare Benson (Kiefer) to JFK and Benson started talking about how he was no Jack Kennedy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lando Griffin 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 Right away you can cross off Granholm, that lousy Canuck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 By the way, if any of the final 11 were voted out of office, by all means, let me know. Joseph E. Kernan -- IN Tom Vilsack -- IA Bob Holden -- MO Bill Richardson -- NM Michael Easley -- NC Brad Henry -- OK Phil Bredesen -- TN Mark Warner -- VA Bob Wise -- WV Jim Doyle -- WI Dave Freudenthal -- WY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 Anyone considering Gore or Kerry as Dem possibilities? No. Losing candidates seldom are successful later. And, Gore would be laughed at if he tried to run, after his moveon speeches. -=Mike Kinda like how Nixon was laughed at after his 'Kickaround Speech' in '62?... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 Of these final (11), we have some who have expressed Presidential ambition. Joseph E. Kernan -- IN Tom Vilsack -- IA Bob Holden -- MO Bill Richardson -- NM Michael Easley -- NC Brad Henry -- OK Phil Bredesen -- TN Mark Warner -- VA Bob Wise -- WV Jim Doyle -- WI Dave Freudenthal -- WY For the sake of argument, let's keep them on the list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 Jim Doyle will face reelection in '06...rumors of a possible return of Tommy Thompson to Wisconsin state politics might have Doyle packing his bags early. Jim Doyle (while far from the worst polititian Ive ever known) will not be considered for the presidency in '08, or any other year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 Out of curiosity, why is that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 12, 2004 Anyone considering Gore or Kerry as Dem possibilities? No. Losing candidates seldom are successful later. And, Gore would be laughed at if he tried to run, after his moveon speeches. -=Mike Kinda like how Nixon was laughed at after his 'Kickaround Speech' in '62?... Nixon is the rare exception to the rule. That's why I said "seldom succeed" not "never succeed". Nixon had a wipe-open field with LBJ withdrawing and RFK's assassination. Look at it this way: In what possible way can Gore or Kerry have BETTER opportunities to win when they both lost their respective races? A lot of Dems feel that they were weak candidates (a true comment if ever there was one) and won't take a second chance on them. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 Nixon got hurt by Eisenhower responding to "What did Richard Nixon do that was good?" with "Give a week and I'll think of something." Clinton never slammed Gore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 Doyle struggled to defeat his opponent, Scott McCallum(Thompsons lieutenant, moved up when Tommy took Health&Human Services cabinet job). McCallum was not a very succesful/popular governor, and that election shouldnt hve been nearly as close as it was. Doyle will face a stiff challenge from the growing radical right bloc in Wisconsin. The conservatives surprised me by winning several state elections this year that I didnt think would. If Thompson or any other viable Republican contender gets decent momentum, Doyle wont even win reelection in '06, let alone run for President in '08. Doyle is not a particularly charismatic man...and doesnt have near the popularity of a Tommy Thompson or a Russ Feingold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 I have found out that Holden of MO lost re-election, as did Kernan of Indiana. Scratch them, we're down to 9, pending Snuffbox's objection to Doyle of WI. (I haven't refreshed yet) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 I accept that, and that whittles the governor candidates down to 8. Three bolded are confirmed individuals who are probably running. Tom Vilsack -- IA Bill Richardson -- NM Michael Easley -- NC Brad Henry -- OK Phil Bredesen -- TN Mark Warner -- VA Bob Wise -- WV Dave Freudenthal -- WY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 haha. you said "sack." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
