WWF/E Tidbits from the past

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

When was the fact that Vince McMahon owned the WWE/F first made public on air?

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I want to say the MSG Raw where he got stunnered for the first time in the Fall of 1997

Or that may have been the first bump McMahon took as on-screen owner because now I think I remeber during Diesel's heel run he took shots at "McMahon" in terms of not fitting his image of what a champion should be

 

When did the whole Moonson as commish and the last apperance of Tunney happen? Maybe thats when McMahon revealed himself.

 

You know, you'd think this would have been some mega event moment in kayfabe world, (that the WWF was an owned promotion rather than the gimmicked "league" that it tried to pass itself off as) but then again I think national expousure with the steriod trials and various mainstream mentions about the McMahon heritage with the Fed that it really was one of the "worse keept secrets" in wrestling history

 

Steve

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

I actually learned it in a book called 'What's Your Sports IQ?'

 

Came out in 1991, I read it in 94.

 

The first time I remember it being mentioned on TV was when Bret Hart lost a cage match to Sid on Raw in March 97, he mentioned something about VinnyMac having some kind of backstage authority.

[Guest Fook]

I remember when JR went evil in 96 and introduced Fake Diesel and Fake Razor he mentioned Vince had fired him twice.

[pochorenella 0]

I remember Bob Eucker at WM4 saying that he was happy that Vince called him and invited him to WrestleMania, and asking myself why would Vince McMahon call him since he was just an announcer at that time.

[Jericholic82 0]

the once mentioned "wrsetling superstars 2" book that came out in about 86 0r 87 revelaed vince was the owner of the WWF

[ChrisMWaters 0]

What the hell was Ico Pro, and is it still around? Or has it gone out of business since its WWF days?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

What the hell was Ico Pro, and is it still around?  Or has it gone out of business since its WWF days?

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Icopro was WWF's attempt at getting into the bodybuilding 'supplement' business. They'd show various roided up wrestlers and attribute their physiques to IcoPro as a way to get the gullible to buy it.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

You Gotta Want It.

 

I seem to recall learning about the McMahon involvement in the Fed by reading the credits in the World Wrestling Federation magazine with my cousin. It was mentioned in a column in the Detroit News that he and I read as kids every Friday, written by famed pedophile M.L. Curly.

[cabbageboy 0]

It was mentioned on and off for years that Vince owned the company, I think even on air. Like when they'd mention some charity event the WWF was a part of, they'd show Vince as being the owner or CEO. Sure they had Gorilla as the president or whatever but everyone knew Vince owned the company.

 

I recall Lawler mentioning Vince owning the WWF during the ECW angle in 97 as well, when he said "Why Vince lets you guys have time on Raw I have no idea."

 

I think it really started being known on TV around the time of the steroid trials. It was such big news they had to acknowledge Vince as the owner, and I recall Lawler or someone congratulating him for beating the rap.

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

Were Windham and Bradshaw actually the sons of Mulligan and Lanza, or was that just a ruse since both their previous gimmicks sucked?

 

Sorry if that's a dumb question.

[Guest jm29195]

I believe Windham was the son of Mulligan but Bradshaw was no relation to Lanza...

[Jericholic82 0]

I believe Windham was the son of Mulligan but Bradshaw was no relation to Lanza...

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correct

[BUTT 0]

Just wondering, on what did WWE blame the low buyrate for WM19 internally?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Just wondering, on what did WWE blame the low buyrate for WM19 internally?

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Being in Seattle.

 

Seriously.

[BUTT 0]

People didn't want to buy a PPV because of where it was held?

[TheFranchise 0]

It was that dastardly Jericho!

[strummer 0]

Just wondering, on what did WWE blame the low buyrate for WM19 internally?

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Being in Seattle.

 

Seriously.

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Meltzer post at WC:

 

 

They blame being in Seattle for the low buy rate for Mania that year. It's a b.s. reason, but they want major markets for Mania. Next time in Houston I'll bet they try the Astrodome again. The gate will be almost the same in Chicago as it was in Seattle anyway. Houston and Toronto are where they can make the most money live, but they don't want Toronto for Mania because the crowd will steal the show from them.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

ignore

[lomasmoney 0]

That guy used to write for the Detroit News and they always had a wrestling section on fridays. That is how i became a smart fan reading that sick bastards articles

[Epic Reine 0]

When Kane first unmasked, were his supposed "scars" that he got when he was "burned" as a child ever explained? It seems dumb that he'd have a clear face and body after years of explaining his character as a badly scarred monster.

[BUTT 0]

They were psychological scars! Kane just imagined them!

[TheFranchise 0]

When Kane first unmasked, were his supposed "scars" that he got when he was "burned" as a child ever explained? It seems dumb that he'd have a clear face and body after years of explaining his character as a badly scarred monster.

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Read the new Kane book!

[cabbageboy 0]

WM 19's buyrate being bleh is due to a variety of things, but mainly I'd say it was due to their not being a real clear cut draw type match on the show. HHH/Booker? Decent RAW PPV main event, hardly a WM title match. Angle/Lesnar? Lesnar isn't really charismatic and it didn't help he made Team Angle chumps almost all the time. Vince/Hogan? Nobody wanted to see Vince in such a major match nor did anyone buy him as having a shot at beating Hogan. Austin/Rock? Jesus this was STALE by this point.

 

At the end of the day WM 19 was a show that didn't really have a blowaway type match on it or anything you could point to and say "This is a mega main event draw." What does it say about the show's lasting appeal when I saw the PPV down in FL on vacation and never much cared about seeing it ever again and my parents and brother never even bothered to get it at all?

[BruiserKC 0]

I read somewhere that at the initial Wrestlemania...Vince wanted to sign Bruiser (King Kong) Brody to make an appearance after the initial ME. He was supposed to come out of the stands and beat the hell out of Mr. T. and become Piper's muscle. But Brody and Vince couldn't agree on $.

 

Brodymania...has a nice ring to it.

[nl5xsk1 0]

I thought that Brody was supposed to do a shoot run-in at WM1 ... not work for Vince.

[Jericholic82 0]

I thought that Brody was supposed to do a shoot run-in at WM1 ... not work for Vince.

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Ric Flair claimed in his book that Brody was offered money to runin at wm 1, so you're probably right.

 

just like the year prior

the rumor is (acording to him himself) The Iron Shiek was offered cash by Verne Gagne to break Hogan's leg during their msg match for the title 1/23/84, but he had too much respect for Vince to do it.

[Fökai 0]

When Kane first unmasked, were his supposed "scars" that he got when he was "burned" as a child ever explained? It seems dumb that he'd have a clear face and body after years of explaining his character as a badly scarred monster.

 

With an interview with J.R. two weeks after he unmasked, it was explained that while everything did happen, the burns were now gone and the scars were now only psychological. It's a logical explanation to everything (example: in 1999, Kane "progressing" enough to use a voice box.)

 

I thought that Brody was supposed to do a shoot run-in at WM1 ... not work for Vince.

 

Correct, verified by Meltzer in various forums.

[Only The Strong Survive 0]

What was planned for the Invasion angle before they changed everything on that one memorable episode of RAW? Clearly they were building to a champion vs. champion match with a heel Austin and a babyface Booker T. Anything else?

 

 

I imagine they wanted to have a least one Taker/DDP singles match before everything got changed around....

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What was the "original plan"? Why was everything changed around, if that's really the case?

[nl5xsk1 0]

I presume the overwhelming shitting-on that the WCW match got gave the WWF the impression that all things WCW had to be the hated enemy & inferior to the WWF. So, they reacted and made WCW to be heels across the board and made the WWF superstars to be painfully superior to the WCW guys.

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I thought I heard that Vince called Meltz before they started the invasion and asked Dave how he felt about the plans. Dave said the plan was great and doesn't want to reveal what it was in hopes that they may still use it. I could be mistaken though.