Twisted Intestine 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2004 Do they just pick a random wrestler to put on these posters? Brown didn't headline the last event, and Hardy isn't headlining this. There's a video for it up at NWATNA.COM I kind of like that promo... I think I'm becoming a Hall and Nash fan. The rumored main event is Jeff Jarrett vs Randy Savage for the NWA title. Do you think this will be an improvement or a step back from Turning Point? Thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SamoaRowe 0 Report post Posted December 7, 2004 That promo wasn't half bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quit Calling My Mama 0 Report post Posted December 7, 2004 Do they just pick a random wrestler to put on these posters? Brown didn't headline the last event, and Hardy isn't headlining this. Yea.. So how many times has the guy on the poster for a WWE PPV actually headlined it? I'd say it's around about 1/3 of the time.l Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1234-5678 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2004 Jarrett vs. Savage can't be anything but a step back. Mach looked anything but ready to step into the ring, let alone a PPV main event. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twisted Intestine 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2004 This will probably be TNAs last hope before they fold... It seems that everyone thought Turning Point was good to great, so that should generate some more interest and buys for this PPV.. If they book it smart, they may actually.... MAKE A PROFIT! But then, maybe not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TNABaddboi 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2004 This will probably be TNAs last hope before they fold... According to Mike Johnson, they've scheduled a PPV for 2/13 as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twisted Intestine 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2004 This will probably be TNAs last hope before they fold... According to Mike Johnson, they've scheduled a PPV for 2/13 as well. They'll need to make this event successful for anyone to buy the next though. That's what I meant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2004 You know what they should do? Take Jarrett, Hardy, Savage, Monty Brown, Abyss and someone else and have another King of the Mountain match. That way all the heavyweight division guys (each with there own limitation...Savage to a ridiculous degree) are in one match and not all over the card. Then fill the rest of the card with X division matches...which under Dusty's new vision actually would get time for the matches. The alternative is Hardy against someone (probably Brown...again), Raven and DDP doing something and suddenly half the card is that. Not to mention Hall and Nash. Ugh. Just fill it with matches you know can work. Instead of Ultimate X do Sabin vs. Williams again...Then Styles is available for another match instead of adding him to 2 guys who can already have a good match without him. Actually...now I've gone to far into fantasy booking...since my Final Resolution is headlined by Brown vs. Jarrett (I don't care what people think of Monty Brown at this point. SOOOO much better than Savage. Plus he and Jarrett wouldn't be a bad title match anyway). Williams vs. Sabin. AMW vs. Hall and Nash. Team Canada vs. Kazarian and Shane for the tag titles. Styles can face Daniels in a #1 contenders match of something. I don't know...this shouldn't be this hard for them. They know who can work and who cant...but they seem intent on killing any and all momentum that Turning Point could have provided. They ALWAYS kill any positive momentum they get. Jarrett vs. Savage is a huge step in a repeat of that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 8, 2004 Actually for WWE Posters, a good 3 out of 4 times the person on the poster is headlining it. It's just the weird ones like HHH/Goldberg on Bad Blood 2003 (which WAS the original match, before being pushed back), and Edge on this years Bad Blood PPV. Final Resolution...eh...with Savage vs. Jarrett as the Main Event, and no more Triple X (unless Low-Ki returns) to carry AMW to their only good matches, TNA will have to pack a pretty good under-card without being repetitive. Which means we'll get Sabin vs. Petey in a re-match, Styles vs. Hall, or Styles/Hardy vs. Hall/Nash, and Brown vs. Abyss again. DDP vs. Raven will probably happen again, but with Erik Twat...I mean Erik Watts thrown in as well, which is never a good thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2004 If they're going with Savage/Jarrett they're in trouble, because Macho Man could barely move at Turning Point. I have to think they're reconsidering that. I agree with bps that a King of The Mountain match would be an excellent idea. It introduces one of the TNA's better innovative matches to a lareger audience, gets plenty of people involved, creating drama and allows Savage to participate while being largely protected. Those little jail cells are awesome too. I agree this would be a good match for the KOTM: Jarrett vs. Savage vs. Abyss vs. Hardy vs. Brown Styles vs. Daniels starting a feud and having a match would be good. DDP vs. Raven in some sort of wacky streetfight gimmick. Ultimate X: Sabin vs. Petey vs. Skipper, ohhhh yeah Hall/Nash vs. AMW 8 man elimination: Garza/Dutt/Batts/Clark vs. Kash/Shane/Kazarian/Nosawa (or whoever) 6 man tag for the titles, D'more locked in a cage at ringside: 3Lk vs. Divine/Roode/Young. Something like that I think would be a good card. If they dont do the KOTM match (which I dont think they will, totally our idea) then I would headline with Brown vs. Jarrett and do the title switch. CLEAN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2004 Well, they just did Brown v. Jarrett on Impact, and with Savage out of the picture now it looks like they really blew what could have been their main-event. Now everyone knows what to expect from JJ v. Brown and they can't possibly get the kind of buy they could have on a first run match. King of the Mountain: JJ v. Brown v. Raven v. DDP v. Abyss v. Jeff Hardy? I can't be the only one who wouldn't give two shits about that match...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2004 But it makes the rest of the card better by default. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted December 8, 2004 I'd rather just have Jarrett/Brown one on one. They could have an amazing match with 20 minutes with Brown finally winning the title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gWIL 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2004 Dumb question here, but what is a King of the Mountain match? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pgi86 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2004 Here what`s i`d put on the card: King Of The Mountain Match: Jeff Jarrett vs Abyss vs Monty Brown vs Jeff Hardy vs AJ Styles The Outsiders vs AMW Falls count anywhere: DDP vs Raven Sabin vs Petey in a gimmick match X division 6-way for the number one contendership: Kazarian vs Michael Shane vs Hector Garza vs Amazing Red vs Nosawa vs ??? (prolly Spanky or LA Par-K) Coconut on a pole match: Kid Kash vs Sonjay Dutt Bobby Rude,Eric Young & Johnny Devine vs 3LK - for the tag titles The Usual TNA PPV filler match: The Naturals vs Dustin Rhodes & Sonny Siaki (just get the guy away from the x division) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2004 Dumb question here, but what is a King of the Mountain match? Not at all. The King Of The Mountain match was where Jeff Jarrett won his current world title, back in May I think. The original match was Truth (champ) vs. Jarrett vs. Styles vs. Raven vs. Chris Harris. It's like the opposite of a ladder match in that instead of retrieving the belt, you need to climb and hang it, but in order to be eligable to climb you needed to score a pinfall over an opponent. The opponent who gets pinned has to go into a mini jail cell cage at ringside for 2 minutes, and then is released back into the match again. Part of the fun is if another participant gets pinned, and someone is still has time left in the box, there could be 2 or even 3 guys sharing the cage for how ever long their time remained. I believe you could also pin opponents even after you've gained eligability to send others into the box, both to keep them from gaining eligability or if they have a pinfall to just keep them out of your way as you climb the ladder. The match was really awesome and is most memorable for AJ doing a spectacular flip dive over the cell at ringside onto a bunch of people. Hopefully you get the idea. TNA's match gimmicks are great in their uniqueness but sometimes can be a bit convoluted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twisted Intestine 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2004 Monty might not be ready for the title yet... I don't think he'd sell tickets anyways.. Does Vince own the rights to Wargames? If not - they should do that.. if he does, a KOTM match can take it's place. Have Jarrett vs Hall vs Nash vs Hardy vs Styles for the title, with Jarrett retaining Brown & Raven vs Abyss & DDP in some sort of gimmick match, with Brown & Raven going over - Brown scoring the pinfall on Abyss. (Puts Brown over some more, and continues the DDP/Raven feud) Then at the next PPV have Brown vs Jarrett for the title with Brown going over clean.. it's not much more time, but he'll be a bit more ready. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 8, 2004 Damn it, TNA stole a gimmick match I thought of...except it was a Survivor Series-eqsue match, and the only way to win was for everyone but 1 person be in the penalty box, and the 1 person is pinned before anyone else comes back in. However, that would result in ultra-fast pinfalls, so it has some problems to be tweaked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RHR 0 Report post Posted December 9, 2004 Has anybody ever done a time limit, most falls, 4 way Hell in the Cell match? Because imagine it.... 30 minutes.... Most falls wins... In a cell/cage... For the title... AJ Styles Chris Sabin Chritopher Daniels Petey Williams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 9, 2004 Constructing a HIAC type cage isn't the smartest decision for a company with serious financial problems. Besides, is the arena they're in big enough to hold up above the ring, and strong enough so it doesn't crash down and possible injure people? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Black Tiger Report post Posted December 9, 2004 I think holding their January PPV in a different arena is a step in the right direction. Restricting themselves to one state, city, building isn't the way to make fans really care about the product. They really need to do something better with their mid-card. Case in point "The Empire Saint" Pat Kenney. Its a stupid name, and the guy is a natural heel, playing a babyface. I'd probably make the next PPV look something like this. NWA Title: Jeff Jarrett vs AJ Styles NWA Tag Titles: Rood/Young vs America's Most Wanted Raven/Outsiders vs Monty Brown/DDP/The Truth Johnny Devine vs BG James X Division Title: Petey Williams vs Hector Garza Hardy/Sabin vs Shane/Kazarian Kid Kash vs Sonjay Dutt in some sort of gimmick match involving a coconut Johnny B. Badd/Dustin Rhodes vs The NYC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedJed 0 Report post Posted December 9, 2004 I think holding their January PPV in a different arena is a step in the right direction. Restricting themselves to one state, city, building isn't the way to make fans really care about the product. I agree - they have to take these ppvs out of Orlando. Its getting stale as far as the look of the shows when they ALL take place at the same arena, much like the Nashville setting got week after week on ppv. Ironically, it might not be a bad idea to have the next ppv at the same place I was just being critical about, as I'm not too sure the advance OR walkup business would be good enough at this point to go to a native location to TNA for the next ppv. The Nashville Fairgrounds could probably sell out pretty fast for Final Encounter if done right, AND it would likely guarantee a hot crowd since they havent had any TNA shows since September. Moving to a whole new area is something they should probably build for a few months in a certain location, so maybe work towards a location like Chicago, Atlanta, Minneapolis, or something soon and announce it way ahead of time so there is plenty of time to promote the area to get a lot of ticket sales (I'm thinking very soon to build to the 2/13 ppv). I wonder if they could get some sort of indication/research based on buyrates/ratings which area of the US is more TNA friendly at far as viewership goes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TNABaddboi 0 Report post Posted December 9, 2004 I agree - they have to take these ppvs out of Orlando. Its getting stale as far as the look of the shows when they ALL take place at the same arena, much like the Nashville setting got week after week on ppv. Ironically, it might not be a bad idea to have the next ppv at the same place I was just being critical about, as I'm not too sure the advance OR walkup business would be good enough at this point to go to a native location to TNA for the next ppv. The Nashville Fairgrounds could probably sell out pretty fast for Final Encounter if done right, AND it would likely guarantee a hot crowd since they havent had any TNA shows since September. I agree wholeheartedly. I actually think they probably won't go back to Nashville until the anniversary show (if they make it that far), but I do think they should hold a PPV at the Asylum. They'd lose the ability to have pyro, but they could make up for it by using a videowall entrance and the lights and stuff. Moving to a whole new area is something they should probably build for a few months in a certain location, so maybe work towards a location like Chicago, Atlanta, Minneapolis, or something soon and announce it way ahead of time so there is plenty of time to promote the area to get a lot of ticket sales (I'm thinking very soon to build to the 2/13 ppv). They would need to hit the ground running if they want to break into an entirely new market. I wonder if they could get some sort of indication/research based on buyrates/ratings which area of the US is more TNA friendly at far as viewership goes? I believe they do have access to information like this and that is the basis for them wanting to start their house shows in the midwest (supposedly they drew the most buys for the weekly PPVs in the midwest and northest). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites