Marvin Harrison signs $67M extension

[Guest Cerebus]

A Mike Martz/Bill Belichick-coached Super Bowl was the perfect place to drop an atomic bomb.

Shh! You can't say "atomic bomb" on a message board!

[nl5xsk1 0]

Man in Blak, this is in response to your post ... I don't want to quote it because I think over-quoting other people's posts tend to clutter up a board.

 

The Patriots were very guilty of breaking the rules last year, their 2nd Super Bowl win. They bent the 'chuck' rule as far as it could be bent, and then bent it some more. Especially in the Colts & Panthers games. But they really didn't do that too much in the Rams win; the main way they beat the Rams up was to hammer them each time they caught the ball. So much of the Rams offense was based on yards-after-catch; they catch a relatively short ball and then use their speed to race for more and more yards. Well, the Pats secondary hit them hard each time they caught a pass, so it got to the point that their receivers dove to avoid contact, and instead of a 10 yard pass becoming a 70 yard touchdown, it became a 10 yard pass play with no YAC.

 

Truthfully, to say that the Pats abused the chuck rule as bad in the St Louis Super Bowl as they did last year is to write revisionist history. They didn't abuse the contact rule anymore that year than any other team, St Louis included. It was only last year that teams really benefited from bending the chuck rule, and the Pats & Panthers benefited the most. (Carolina was as guilty in the Philly game as New England was in the Indy game or the Super Bowl)

[Guest Vitamin X]

Wow. What a terrible deal.

 

Seven years in football is an eternity.

Don't remind me. That was the last Super Bowl appearance for Green Bay, and man it felt like a long time ago.

[Guest Vitamin X]

I'm a diehard Patriots fan and I'll never say a bad word about Manning, the guy is the real deal. I have the utmost respect for that team and to my eyes they're the only legitimate challenger in the AFC. A Pats-Colts rematch in the AFC championship would be a hell of a fucking game.

I think the Steelers would have something to say about that.

 

A Mike Martz/Bill Belichick-coached Super Bowl was the perfect place to drop an atomic bomb.

 

That already happened in 2001 (technically January 2002)..... The game, not the atomic bomb obviously.

[The Czech Republic 0]

A Mike Martz/Bill Belichick-coached Super Bowl was the perfect place to drop an atomic bomb.

 

That already happened in 2001 (technically January 2002)..... The game, not the atomic bomb obviously.

I know, I know. Hence, the use of "was." God, Vitamin X, the possibilities, the possibilities! Argh.

[Sass 0]

After the Patriots beat the Raiders in 2001 in the playoffs, they effectively stole the thug torch from the team that battered WR's and chop blocked RB's for decades without getting called for it. I wanted to break something in honor of that game, aside from the Raiders losing the game. That team *plays* like a team determined to just win and go all the way. Just win baby!

 

Lyle Alzado and John Matuszak rolled over in their graves after the Pats/Raiders game. Jim Plunkett also probably wanted to punch Rich Gannon in the face for that game as well. That game still hurts me inside of my black heart whenever I think about it.

 

...

 

Fuckin Pats.

 

Belichik is Raiders material. He's the next John Madden. The man is *that* good at dissecting and deconstructing teams. Damn good.

[Guest Failed Mascot]

I think Payton Manning is a fantastic quarterback and his desire to play for the Colts brings a lot more honor to the name Manning than his brother (I don't want to play for a LOSING team! Give me the Giants!).

And because of that Eli is getting killed while the Chargers are headed towards winning the AFC West. The Manning Family obviously isn't in good relations with the football gods.

[Brett Favre 0]

Defense wins championships - how many more times does that have to be proven for people to get it?

What about the Rams that other year? The Colts are playing very similar.

[Sass 0]

On the topic of signing Marv for 7 years and a buttload of cash:

 

Hello Miami Dolphins 2K!

 

Replace Marvin's name with Mark Clayton and there you go. This team will never win a SB until they get a defense. The Irsay clan must be cursed or something. It's funny how the Dolphins have a great defense *now* but only saw like 2 guys from the entire time Marino started for the team make it into the Pro Bowl. They had a big time offense that would cap teams in the legs but they couldn't stop the run or even get a run going since the RB's they had over the years were mainly scrubs who never reached over a 1000 yards. Marino wanted to throw for 400 yards and felt that him and the WR's he had were enough to win.

 

0-1 in a Superbowl with Dan Marino at the healm. Confernce championship games? Marino only reached it once. The same year the Dolphins went to the Superbowl and got embarassed by San Francisco's defense (and offense too).

 

Peyton will have good company in that category.

 

Isn't Dungy supposed to be the defense guru head coach in football too? What the hell is up with him?

 

Both Peyton and Marvin will need to be stand up guys and restructure their contracts in the upcoming years if they even *hope* to have a camel toe of a chance of going to the Superbowl, let alone winning it.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Dungy had a decent defense going next year but I think Marcus Washington had a lot to do with that.

 

But what can he do? The offense is sucking up so much money that he has to hope that scrubs overachieve for the defense to be passable every year. I hope the Colt fans are ready for a lot of up and down years without a defense or becoming the new Kansas City in the playoffs.

[Guest Failed Mascot]

Dungy is also working with the personel given to him. I'm sure he has some say in the people that come in but not total control. They could have drafted Michael Boulware in the second round of this year's draft and instead picked some scrub Safety.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Yes, the Steelers WOULD have something to say about that!

 

But yeah, the first thing I thought when I heard this was "How in the hell can they afford 52 players with Manning's and now Harrison's contracts?"

[Precious Roy 0]

What it should take away, however, is all of this ridiculous "intrepid upset" and "hero" garbage that's always tacked onto the Patriots victory. It's one thing to say, very accurately, that the Patriots beat up the Rams but it's another thing entirely to say that the Patriots "heroically overcame all odds and beat the overrated Rams" sentiment that somehow gets tacked onto that Super Bowl. There is no heroism that comes from breaking the rules of the game...but why let the facts get in the way of a good story?

 

boo fucking hoo

 

I think the Steelers would have something to say about that.

 

Pittsburgh won't have shit to say about shit come January, and you can quote me on that...

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

k.

[Slayer 0]

Confernce championship games?  Marino only reached it once.  The same year the Dolphins went to the Superbowl and got embarassed by San Francisco's defense (and offense too).

BUZZ.

 

Aside from his lone SB year, Marino also reached the AFC title game the next year in '85 and also in '92.

 

What's funny is that both times he lost to a WC team from his own division (Pats in '85, Bills in '92)

[Guest Vitamin X]

A Mike Martz/Bill Belichick-coached Super Bowl was the perfect place to drop an atomic bomb.

 

That already happened in 2001 (technically January 2002)..... The game, not the atomic bomb obviously.

I know, I know. Hence, the use of "was." God, Vitamin X, the possibilities, the possibilities! Argh.

My mistake. I read that as an is, not was.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Isn't Dungy supposed to be the defense guru head coach in football too? What the hell is up with him?

The Cover 2 is no longer the premier defense in football. With the rules tipped in the offense's favor, you can't necessarily count on unathletic but smart defenders to bump the hell out of receivers and disengage routes all over the place. From what I'm familiar with, the Bucs also want to use a 1-gap system in the defensive line, essentially meaning everyone is responsible for 1-gap. Again, during this time he had not only a defensive genius working alongside him in Monte Kiffin, but he had an outstanding group of athletes on defense in their prime, which isn't necessary for the Cover 2 to work (which is why it's so widely mimicked, but never mastered, throughout the league). No John Lynch, Derrick Brooks, or Warren Sapp in this group. Mike Doss is a decent safety, and Dwight Freeney is a great defender, but noone else outside of those two is worth mentioning. Unless any Colts fan would care to prove me wrong on this?

 

In all respect, give the Colts credit for the turnaround they've had on defense as the season's gone on. With an offense that good, all the defense needs to do is hold the other side and then the offense can pick the other team apart at their whim to win.

[Precious Roy 0]

Which is why the Colts are so scary come playoff time. The defense can give up 35 points and the team will still be in good shape.

 

Pittsburgh-Indy matchup is very interesting as the teams play completely different styles and Pitt would have to air it out more than usual to compete.

[The Man in Blak 0]

What it should take away, however, is all of this ridiculous "intrepid upset" and "hero" garbage that's always tacked onto the Patriots victory. It's one thing to say, very accurately, that the Patriots beat up the Rams but it's another thing entirely to say that the Patriots "heroically overcame all odds and beat the overrated Rams" sentiment that somehow gets tacked onto that Super Bowl. There is no heroism that comes from breaking the rules of the game...but why let the facts get in the way of a good story?

 

boo fucking hoo

Great rebuttal.

[cabbageboy 0]

I don't think so actually. The Steelers are the worst possible matchup for the Colts. Oddly enough if I'm the Colts I'd feel optimistic about a Pats rematch, since they should have won the previous matchup (seriously is Edgerrin James gonna fumble twice in the Red Zone again, Manning get sacked like that again, another INT in the endzone again?).

 

But the Steelers? They grind it out on the ground. If you recall Denver had success vs. the Colts last year doing this in the reg. season game. Get those 3-4 yard runs, keep the clock moving, Manning gets no time of possession. That'd be a difficult matchup for the Colts.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Mike Doss is a decent safety, and Dwight Freeney is a great defender, but noone else outside of those two is worth mentioning.

 

Obviously you've never seen Idrees Bashir.

 

Wait, you haven't?

 

Me neither.

[Guest Failed Mascot]

There's always Cato June their leading tackler.

 

 

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Ya, I got nothing too.

[Prime Time Andrew Doyle 0]

Defense wins championships - how many more times does that have to be proven for people to get it?

What about the Rams that other year? The Colts are playing very similar.

The Rams D was quite good during their SB Season. They had 29 INT's, They had the leauge leader in sacks and allowed only 4 100 yard rushers in 19 games.

 

On the subject of the Colt's, they need to bring James back. Think back to 2001 when Manning didn't have James. Manning had his 2nd worse season, throwing something like 23 INT's and the Colt's went on to finish 6-10. A decent defence would help, but it looks like they wouldr rather do it through the air

[Dr. Tom 0]

So Satanico and I are the only ones who understand that a "seven-year" contract in the NFL is really just for two or three? THe press loves reporting these, and let's face it, 7 years and $67m are impressive numbers. But NFL contracts are not guaranteed. Harrison is already 32. He'll play 3, maybe 4, more years, and that'll be it. The Colts will pay him only for those years, with their salary cap creativity built in. It's a great deal for both sides.

[Guest Failed Mascot]

The $22mill signing bonus is guarenteed. So its $22mill spread out + whatever he agreed to play for each season. If he plays only 4 years then sure they have 3 years taken off, but I'm sure they'll try to make that $22mill bonus count in later years on their salary cap then next year or in 06. He's going to cost them for the full 7 seasons regardless most-likely.

[Dr. Tom 0]

Signing bonuses are spread out over the length of the deal, but Harrison won't count much against the cap after he's gone. It's still a good deal for the Colts.

[Guest Failed Mascot]

With the major emergence of Reggie Wayne I think they could have afforded to let Marvin go, do their best to keep Edge and then work on their defense. It might be a good deal financially, and we won't be able to judge that until Marvin plays his final game. Is it wise though considering all their other needs? I personally just don't think so.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

I would argue that the main reason Wayne and Stokley are open is because of the opposing defense's focus on Harrison. Let's not forget how crazy good this guy is.

[Sass 0]

Just thought I'd toss this out:

 

Both Tim Brown and Jerry Rice were offered and received 6-year deal contracts from the Raiders after the 2003 Superbowl. Now look where they are.

 

Marvin will be lucky if he makes it to the 4-year mark.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Yeah, he won't be playing for all the years he signed to, but that signing bonus will bite Indy in the BUTT, especially if he gets seriously injured in the next year or so...