Brock Lesnar Ready To Make WWE Return?

[Guest JMA]

I've missed Brock since he's been gone. A man of Brock's size and body-type also being able to mat-wrestle is a very rare thing. When you add that to his incredible natural athleticism, you've got a wrestler who is a virtual prototype for a new breed of grapplers.

 

He needs to come back and save us from PPVs headlined by JBL.

[The Czech Republic 0]

I never really got into Brock Lesnar.

Brock wasn't very sensible.

I think I was out of the loop for a lot of Lesnar's push. I didn't even see Royal Rumble 2003, and I really didn't watch much Smackdown in 2002/2003 either. So that's why he never caught on.

[Guest Fook_Theta]

Saying Brock Lesnar needs learn a proper SSP is like saying that Mick Foley needs to practice diving skullfirst into concrete because he's getting rusty at it. He did some absolutely gruesome shit during his Cactus Jack run in WCW where you can even hear the "CLOP!" sound of his skull impacting, but he only did this because he was a nobody. If you asked him to do it today, he'd laugh and tell you to fuck yourself.

 

The only goddamn reason Lesnar did the SSP was so he could get over, and they thought it would be something special at Mania and learned from that lesson. It wasn't anything he needed to learn, he doesn't even like doing it, it was something management learned that they shouldn't count on him to do a move like that.

If Mick Foley ends up botching a double-arm DDT when/if he faces Joe, causing Joe to have some short term nerve damage and a concussion, then yes Mick needs to relearn how to do a proper DDT. Comparing Mick to Lesnar is a little off as well.

 

I've seen video of Lesnar doing a picture perfect SSP, in a dingy arena, with a ring that looked like it was about to fall to pieces. The man can do it, but immediately on getting into the WWE/OVW he started complaining it "hurt his knees." Lesnar is 27 years old and much younger when he did the SSPs, yet he is complaining about the ropes hurting his knees? I'm sorry for you but I expect more out of a wrestler, especially someone that people are claiming would be great to see on WWE tv even though he walked out on WWE when they argubly needed him the most.

 

He didn't want to job to Taker, no one wants to job to Taker. Walking out for a short period of time so that Vince can maybe refocus his priorities? Sounds reasonable. Walking out to "go back to" a non-existant football career for the Vikings as the top team that will take you, but more likely playing in the NFL Europe league is insane.

 

I cannot, nor should you, respect a man that left a top position in a form of entertainment I enjoy, for a position at the absolute height of his possbilities on the Vikings team. That isn't a sleight against the Vikings.

[Guest LooneyTune]

Just been thinking this over...

 

Brock is going to have more X-Pac heat than X-Pac.

[NoCalMike 0]

Brock was an average worker at best. He was carried in a lot of his better matches. The WWE is full of good workers on their roster, and most people in this thread would rather fuck them over yet again and bring Lesnar back in for what would probably be an immediate monster push to regain the title? *yawn*

[Precious Roy 0]

Brock was an average worker at best. He was carried in a lot of his better matches. The WWE is full of good workers on their roster, and most people in this thread would rather fuck them over yet again and bring Lesnar back in for what would probably be an immediate monster push to regain the title? *yawn*

Who gets fucked over that isn't already getting fucked on a routine basis? Name one guy. Lesnar at least sold for guys and whether you like it or not had a lot to do with Show, Eddie and even Benoit making it in top spots. Lesnar left, we expect Eddie to carry things, and look what we got, we got Eddie getting fucked over at the expense of a lesser wrestler. If it comes down to JBL v. Lesnar I'm taking Lesnar every day of the week.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Another Brock Lesnar topic, and another series of comments from people who either have no clue about what they’re talking about, or are incredibly selfish and don’t give a shit about anything but their own pleasure.

 

Do you people have a clue about Lesnar, or his passion or his ability or what he’s risked just to entertain you ? Clearly, many of you don’t know or don’t care about that, and just want Brock to do whatever it takes to entertain you, regardless of what he wants to do, and regardless of the risks involved.

 

Seeing as this thread is filled with idiocy and selfishness, let’s go through some of the ‘best’ of the bunch:

 

If Vince cares about more than just money, Lesnar should be jobbed out to an extreme to show as an example of what not to do. If Vince just wants a bigger payday, fuck the future, then have him go on winning streak by all means.

 

Other people have pointed out the stupidity in jobbing Lesnar out the minute he comes back, so we don’t need to go over that again. Suffice to say, the object of the wrestling business, and it is a business, is to make money, and you don’t make money by having someone who can make money if he’s treated as a threat treated like a joke. And money, clueless one, is what gives a wrestling promotion its future, because without it, it has none. And we’ve seen what happens when WWE ‘makes an example of’; it invariably hurts business. Do you want that ? Or do you even care ?

 

I would only take him back if he: relearnt how to do a proper SSP, didn't complain about his knees or the ropes, came crawling back on his sore knees, was willing to be humiliated until the boys in the back could except him as someone who earned their dues ten fold.

 

This one is rich in idiocy:

 

Lesnar can do an SSP.

 

So he’s just supposed to continue to damage his knees and lose future mobility because ? You want him to keep coming out week after week to give you your jollies ? Get a grip you idiot.

 

Why should he be humiliated when such a practice invariably hurts business ?

 

Lesnar has earned his dues, and if you had clue one about what he’s been through, you’d realise that.

 

Fuck Lesnar from a long-term business standpoint.

 

Yes, fuck a guy who can make the company a ton of money. Much better that he be humiliated and embarrassed so you can get your jollies. Idiot.

 

What exactly is the point of taking Lesnar back? Bring him back and give him a huge push and the whole roster might revolt

 

The roster won’t revolt. They might not like Lesnar coming back and getting a huge push, but if they care about their long-term future, and most of them do, they’ll suck it up, and realise such a push could put money in their pockets that currently isn’t there.

 

I suppose the best thing to do is bring him back, job him in a very tough match to someone high up on the roster (paying the dues), and then slowly begin to push him again.

 

No, the best thing to do is push him to the moon from the get go, and after a while, then slowly begin to have him show weakness. Cutting his legs out from under him right away is death as far as being a big money player.

 

I guess no one else here feels this way, but I (and probably alot of other fans) feel like Brock spit upon every wrestling fan, every wrestler, and the company that promoted him when he decided to leave at a time when WWE needed him the most, to go play football.

 

The only thing he did wrong was not giving enough notice so that he could put someone over on the way out. Other than that, I have no complaints. What’s he meant to do ? Keep doing something he hates just to entertain you ?

 

I've seen video of Lesnar doing a picture perfect SSP, in a dingy arena, with a ring that looked like it was about to fall to pieces. The man can do it, but immediately on getting into the WWE/OVW he started complaining it "hurt his knees." Lesnar is 27 years old and much younger when he did the SSPs, yet he is complaining about the ropes hurting his knees? I'm sorry for you but I expect more out of a wrestler, especially someone that people are claiming would be great to see on WWE tv even though he walked out on WWE when they argubly needed him the most.

 

He did the SSP flawlessly in OVW, but didn’t do in WWE bar WM XIX because he didn’t need to, and because it was just doing too much damage to his knees. Is he meant to keep doing it just because you get a kick out of it ? Because it entertains you ? And is he supposed to just keep dealing with that pain when he doesn’t have to ? If he can go out there and work **** matches without doing damage to his knees with the SSP, then he shouldn’t have to.

 

You expect more out of a wrestler ? Seems like you expect him to not give a shit about his short-term or long-term welfare just to entertain you, which this comment bears out:

 

I cannot, nor should you, respect a man that left a top position in a form of entertainment I enjoy

 

Brock was an average worker at best.

 

Brock has great offence, bumps like crazy for a man his size, has great agility, and is darn good on the mic. He’s more than average. Way more than average.

 

He was carried in a lot of his better matches.

 

Brock was more than good enough to carry his end of all of his good matches.

 

The WWE is full of good workers on their roster, and most people in this thread would rather fuck them over yet again and bring Lesnar back in for what would probably be an immediate monster push to regain the title?

 

So, you’d rather piss away the money he could make just to placate a bunch of ego’s, who, incidentally, will make a lot less money without a big push for Brock ?

 

 

It’s pretty obvious that a lot of the hate for Brock doesn’t come from any rational thought, or careful evaluation of the facts, but rather from the fact that Brock didn’t want to do something he hated just to entertain a bunch of ingrates, who clearly don’t care about anything but their own immediate gratification. Do you really know what he gave up ? He gave up a high six-figure to low seven-figure income, guaranteed, to make about a tenth of that. He might have made something approaching that, but not for a few years, and only if he really hit it big. Would any of you give that up to do something you cared about more, but paid a whole lot less ? And look at what the guy risked for you people. He came damn close to killing himself for your pleasure and enjoyment, and all you can do is piss and moan about him ‘turning his back’. The only ones turning their backs are the people who are selfishly criticising Brock for following his dream, just because it didn’t involve entertaining them. I hope whatever Brock does makes him happy, and if that means doing something that doesn’t involve risking his neck, literally, to entertain me, then so be it.

[NoCalMike 0]

Umm, Brock was good on the mic? WTF.....he was just another stale hoss before Heyman became his mouthpiece. Lesnar was not good on the mic.

[Precious Roy 0]

Umm, Brock was good on the mic? WTF.....he was just another stale hoss before Heyman became his mouthpiece. Lesnar was not good on the mic.

 

He steadily improved after his 03 heel turn and by early 04 was going out there and carrying talking segments on a weekly basis. Of course, you've already stated that you didn't watch the show when he was on top, so you wouldn't know that......

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

And if you want to see what someone pushing themselves too far does, take a look at Kurt Angle's arms on SD. Those things freaked me out. It's great that Angle has so much drive, but to do that kind of damage to himself ? No thanks. But of course, I'm sure that doesn't matter to people who just want Angle to come out each week to entertain them.

[Guest StylesMark]

I am pleased by this news. Yes, he did leave them high and dry, but the man was a draw and could wrestle many styles. It would only benefit all parties.

[Guest LooneyTune]

Brock drew what? WWE has been in the toilet for 2 years, and keeps getting worse. Maybe he popped a buyrate by 0.001, or drew a segment rating up by 0.01, but he isn't a draw.

[bob_barron 0]

Umm, Brock was good on the mic? WTF.....he was just another stale hoss before Heyman became his mouthpiece. Lesnar was not good on the mic.

Wrong.

 

Heyman was his mouthpiece from Day One. In fact Brock didn't even start speaking until July.

 

So how he was a stale?

 

And just because he was a 'hoss' doesn't mean he was horrible.

[Guest LooneyTune]

I wouldn't call him horrible, but he wasn't great unless he was doing something funny like that mexican hat dance segment.

 

Before I get attacked, I like Brock Lesnar as a wrestler, but I'm not gonig to lie and say he's great draw.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

I eagerly await and anticipate the return of Brock Lesnar.

[Guest Fook_Theta]

Suffice to say, the object of the wrestling business, and it is a business, is to make money...

If it was only to make money they would keep moving away from wrestling as the focal point and move towards some other form of entertainment that brings in the money. Oh wait, they have been doing that with the Diva search and Tough Enough, the failed XFL, and soap-opera push by people the "IWC" despises.

 

The goal of a the wrestling business is to build new stars, to open up new money avenues, while still remaining true to the code of ethnics that decades/centuries of wrestling have shaped the business. Hell, just in general you don't welcome someone back with open arms and no hard feelings, that no one can argue shit all over management and especially the fans. If nothing else the people that buy the product got shit on, you included. You can be delusional all you want, but Brock did not do what was reasonable within the history of the wrestling business.

 

If Vince wants to move towards accepting anyone and everyone that can draw a little bit of money, fuck, invite one of those Friends actors to come win the Cruiserweight title. I can guarantee you that would increase buys for a short period of time. Bring Hogan back at any price he wants and have him build up a solid feud. Shit, bring Brock back and have Hogan/Rock/Austin/Bob Backlund job to him. That's money right there. But is it reasonable? No. Is it intelligent when looking at the business from 100 years from now? No.

 

No smart businessman wants to open the path up for 27 year olds whining that the god-damn ropes hurt his precious knees, and he doesn't want to lose to certain people even though he could perhaps get over enough so that would happen, or the finish could still make him look strong. He was saying he/booking couldn't come up with a way to make him strong by losing to Taker but, correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't Bob "Hardcore" Holly making him run through the arena because he was kayfabe scared of him? If Holly didn't hurt him, I cannot fathom how Taker could especially if Brock pulled out something unique from his moveset.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

If it was only to make money they would keep moving away from wrestling as the focal point and move towards some other form of entertainment that brings in the money.

 

So, a wrestling promotion should move away from wrestling ?

 

Oh wait, they have been doing that with the Diva search and Tough Enough, the failed XFL, and soap-opera push by people the "IWC" despises.

 

And they’ve been making less and less money, as opposed to more and more.

 

The goal of a the wrestling business is to build new stars, to open up new money avenues, while still remaining true to the code of ethnics that decades/centuries of wrestling have shaped the business.

 

The goal of wrestling is to make money. Building new stars is a key part of that, but it sometimes isn’t the primary part.

 

And what is this mythical code of ‘ethnics’ you’re talking about ? If you’ve followed wrestling for any real length of time, you’d realise that it has no ethics. The fact that WWE’s newest heel act is exploiting 9/11 should tell you that.

 

Hell, just in general you don't welcome someone back with open arms and no hard feelings

 

No one is saying the wrestlers have to be happy about a potential return for Brock. But if you need to get a boost, and a big one, and one that will definitely create interest, and make money, you welcome him back, regardless of any feelings that might get hurt. If the business only made money that could be made by not creating hard feelings, no money would get made.

 

that no one can argue shit all over management and especially the fans

 

I’m not arguing that Brock didn’t handle his departure the wrong way; he did. I’m just not pissing and moaning like a lot of people over him making a choice he had the right to make.

 

You can be delusional all you want, but Brock did not do what was reasonable within the history of the wrestling business.

 

If anyone is being delusional, it’s the person talking about wrestling having ethics, and talking about things being reasonable within the wrestling business. Do you even have clue one about how the wrestling business works ? Or even how the WWF expanded its operations in the 80’s ? I’d hardly call what went down ‘reasonable’

 

If Vince wants to move towards accepting anyone and everyone that can draw a little bit of money, fuck, invite one of those Friends actors to come win the Cruiserweight title. I can guarantee you that would increase buys for a short period of time.

 

Thank you for proving you don’t have a clue about wrestling.

 

Bring Hogan back at any price he wants and have him build up a solid feud. Shit, bring Brock back and have Hogan/Rock/Austin/Bob Backlund job to him. That's money right there. But is it reasonable? No. Is it intelligent when looking at the business from 100 years from now? No.

 

If handled right, and booked in a manner that can make money and build up someone for the future, then it’s reasonable to bring back any wrestler. And if a wrestling promoter wants to do that, build to the future, then sometimes he has to ruffle a few feathers in his locker room.

 

No smart businessman wants to open the path up for 27 year olds whining that the god-damn ropes hurt his precious knees, and he doesn't want to lose to certain people even though he could perhaps get over enough so that would happen, or the finish could still make him look strong.

 

Brock never ‘whined’ about the ropes hurting his ‘precious knees’. And by the way, it’s nice to know you care so much for the people busting their necks to entertain you.

 

If Vince didn't want open up such a path to people refusing to job, etc, he would have kicked out practically every top star he’s ever had, as pretty much all of them over the years has refused to do a job at one time or another.

 

He was saying he/booking couldn't come up with a way to make him strong by losing to Taker but, correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't Bob "Hardcore" Holly making him run through the arena because he was kayfabe scared of him?

 

I will correct you, because you are wrong. Lesnar’s beef was with being fed to Undertaker, and being made to look ineffective, as he’d not only be looking weak in the angles, he’d also be doing the clean jobs in the matches. With Holly, despite looking weak in some angles, he was still coming out on top with the clean wins in matches. And Brock’s problem wasn’t looking weak with either matches or angles but coming out on top in angles or matches, but in looking weak in both matches and angles.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

Brock Lesnar is the only legit wrestler that the masses BELIEVE can beat the holy hell out of anyone he faces. He is an absolute monster. But he's as fast as some of their cruiserweights. Anyone who denounces him only proves their ignorance.

[Enigma 0]

Umm, Brock was good on the mic? WTF.....he was just another stale hoss before Heyman became his mouthpiece. Lesnar was not good on the mic.

Actually, Lesnar was getting quite good at working the microphone. His promos on Stone Cold Steve Austin and Goldberg were very well done.

[LooseCannon25 0]

To say Brock is a bad worker is purely idiotic. The guy is as strong as anyone, and also fast as hell for a 290 LB guy, very mobile. He did amazing things in the ring and I never really found him boring in ring at any point.

 

He also kept improving on the mic once he got comfortable

[AndrewTS 0]

To say Brock is a bad worker is purely idiotic.  The guy is as strong as anyone, and also fast as hell for a 290 LB guy, very mobile.  He did amazing things in the ring and I never really found him boring in ring at any point.

 

He also kept improving on the mic once he got comfortable

I don't think Brock cut any "money" promos, and most of them were more humorous ("Shannon Moore, Shannon Moore, Shannon Moore!"), but it was a hell of a lot better than most folks, and with it being the only major weakness he had, he was not only a complete wrestler, but a complete "superstar."

 

Plus, he was having matches just as good and better than Kurt, with less experience--amazing.

 

If his heart really isn't in it it'd be a shame for him to come back just to get pissed off by Vince & Co and leave again, though. I'm not sure if how much of him leaving was politics and how much it was about the NFL dream.

[SuperJerk 0]

To say Brock is a bad worker is purely idiotic. The guy is as strong as anyone, and also fast as hell for a 290 LB guy, very mobile. He did amazing things in the ring and I never really found him boring in ring at any point.

 

He also kept improving on the mic once he got comfortable

I agree, except his last month when he was just phoning it in.

[Toxxic 0]

Lesnar vs Holly was a bit different, because it was always booked that Lesnar was scared of Holly because Holly was trying to break his neck. In the ring, in a wrestling environment, Lesnar came out on top simply because he was portrayed as being a better wrestler. Lesnar didn't want to get into the ring with Holly because he thought Holly would ignore the rules and try to cripple him.

 

Lesnar vs Undertaker would see Lesnar forced to run and hide from big scary Taker, then get walked over in a wrestling match. There's a difference.

[Guest LooneyTune]

If being strong and fast means WWE Contract, why hasn't Vince McMahon called me? I'm sure I could throw a cooperating 400 lb. person around if I was high on a million+ dollar contract.

 

I think calling Brock a great wrestler is a bit too much. He's had pretty good matches with the normal list of the best people like Angle, Eddie, Benoit. He had some good matches with Big Show, which was a bit surprising considering the uh... comparison (Shows had good matches very few people in WWE). Brock's matches early on in WWE were horrible, and he's had some seriously over-rated matches (vs. Angle @ SSlam and Iron Man) last year.

 

In cases where he had a not so good wrestler (vs. Cena @ Backlash, vs Holly at RRumble for example) the matches were either boring (vs. Holly) or pretty bad (vs. Cena). Great wrestlers could have at least a good match with anyone. If Flair can have ****+ matches with Luger, I'm sure someone can drag ** tops out of Cenas ass.

 

I won't argue his athletic abilities, because the guy is a beast, but a GREAT wrestler? Maybe with a few more years under his belt, but he really didn't have any stand out matches against below-par wrestlers, which is something a great wrestler can usually do.

[reign 0]

I've been waiting for Brock's return for a while now and I'm sorta glad that he left because up until the Goldberg angle they were really starting to pussify his character by making him tap out and cheat so much to win even though he looked like he could murder anybody on the roster...now hopefully he can come back as the monster that he was and rip through the locker room. A victory at the Rumble would be great...let him kill everybody on SD! and then show up on Raw to claim his title shot...I'm hoping for an eventual end to the brand split so by putting him on SD! he'd lose too much heat too fast...RAW is the place for the real stars and as I've said before WWE is missing the boat by not getting as much talent as possible under one roof to get their product back to where it once was.

 

Furthermore I say enough with the Brock hate...they guy is a much bigger prospect than Orton and Cena and can only help the company...the WWE had used up all of their big matches and combining brands with the return of some major stars like Lesnar could really turn things around and I hope that's where we're headin'. Brock is a great worker...yes great...and his heel promos on Austin, Goldberg and Eddie were all good...I would like to see him back with Heyman although that wouldn't really fit his character. Brock needs to come back.

[Just call me Dan 0]

In cases where he had a not so good wrestler (vs. Cena @ Backlash, vs Holly at RRumble for example) the matches were either boring (vs. Holly) or pretty bad (vs. Cena). Great wrestlers could have at least a good match with anyone. If Flair can have ****+ matches with Luger, I'm sure someone can drag ** tops out of Cenas ass.

That is so cliche. To say Lesnar is not so good because he couldn't drag a **+ match out of his 1st built encounter with Holly is ridiculous. Does Hart suck because he just didn't click that well in his matches with Nash or Taker? Oh, I guess Guerrero and Flair both suck ass because of thier horrible match at KOTR 2001 right?

 

Your spouting on about how Brock could not impress you because he couldn't create a miracle out of matches with those two is laughable. Lesnar is a great worker from what he has shown us in less than 3 years in the WWE.

 

Before you can even BEGIN to analyze a worker by his or her opponents, at least let him have his matches with the other fucking HALF of the WWE roster he has yet to face because of the brand split. His career has been nowhere near long or diverse enough to shit on the guy because of his work against opponents.

 

And who has had a good match against Holly, ever?

[Guest Brian]

Actually, Flair does suck now. At times.

[Guest Ray]

"Does Hart suck because he just didn't click that well in his matches with Nash"

 

Bret vs Nash was great. I love him vs Nash from KOTR 94 and SSeries 95. Best matches Nash has ever had.

[The Mandarin 0]

Does Hart suck because he just didn't click that well in his matches with Nash or Taker? 

 

Oh, I guess Guerrero and Flair both suck ass because of thier horrible match at KOTR 2001 right?

Guerrero vs. Flair was at KOTR2002.

 

Bret vs. Diesel (SS '95) is a very good match, and from what I've heard, so is Bret vs. 'Taker at One Night Only.

 

Damn you Ray.

Edited December 13, 2004 by CM Funk

[SuperJerk 0]

Does Hart suck because he just didn't click that well in his matches with Nash or Taker? 

 

Oh, I guess Guerrero and Flair both suck ass because of thier horrible match at KOTR 2001 right?

Guerrero vs. Flair was at KOTR2002.

It actually wasn't that bad.

 

 

Just saying.