The NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

[Guest Vitamin X]

Funniest thing happened today. I heard a New England Patriots fan bitch about how the media hype for Ben Roethlisberger had spiralled out of control. With a straight face.

 

As funny as it sounds with the irony and all, he does have a point. All he's done is mostly manage, and I know about the final drive in Jacksonville and all, but still I'm not convinced. This could be Rick Mirer 2k4, for all we know.

 

I don't like Tom Brady.

 

Why not? I think the Montana comparisons are justified. Though we should wait to see if he wins another big one.

 

Vitamin: I don't like to see it either, and I don't think its his fault either. The lack of great receivers and a depleted defence is hard enough for the Seahawks.

 

The worst part is, Koren Robinson and Darrell Jackson are a great duo of receivers.. In route running, athleticism and being in position to make the catch, but it's just a matter of HOLDING ON to the damn ball that seems to be a problem for them. When the Seahawks were kicking ass earlier this year, that problem was cured, but somehow it's crept right back.

[Vern Gagne 0]

If the 49ers owner is cheap, like being reported. Why would he fire Erickson who has 3 years remaining on his deal? He'd have to pay him, and the new coach has well.

 

 

Mike Tice finds out on January 1st whether he'll be back or not. That's the day before the season finale. It's a tough call, the fans want Tice gone. However, McCombs is a cheap asshole and Tice is the lowest paid coach.

[Precious Roy 0]

Funniest thing happened today. I heard a New England Patriots fan bitch about how the media hype for Ben Roethlisberger had spiralled out of control. With a straight face.

 

It has. Some of these guys are ready to proclaim him the second coming, and he hasn't even played in the playoffs yet. A lot of commentators are going to look stupid when Indy beats them in their first playoff game.

[Precious Roy 0]

Mike Tice finds out on January 1st whether he'll be back or not. That's the day before the season finale. It's a tough call, the fans want Tice gone. However, McCombs is a cheap asshole and Tice is the lowest paid coach.

Yeah, but you'd think actually having a coach who can bring you to the playoffs and win somwhat meaningful games would = more cash for the owner = makes up for higher paid coach

 

If they keep him on to "save money" it's a fucking disgrace, and retarded to boot.

[Crimson Platypus 0]

The worst part is, Koren Robinson and Darrell Jackson are a great duo of receivers.. In route running, athleticism and being in position to make the catch, but it's just a matter of HOLDING ON to the damn ball that seems to be a problem for them. When the Seahawks were kicking ass earlier this year, that problem was cured, but somehow it's crept right back.

I used to think that those two were great too, but this year I drafted Matt Hasselbeck as my fantasy QB and watched a lot of Seattle games. The thing is, they are athletic, run great routes, and make things happen after the catch. BUT THEY CATCH ONE IN FUCKING 4 PASSES THROWN THEIR WAY. It's sad really, but Robinson/Jackson are simply not NFL caliber receivers.

 

 

Really though the blame for Seattle's terrible season falls on the defense. They couldn't stop a faucet with one hand on the spigot. They have what? two good players on defense (Trufant and Wistrom). I see Holmgren getting fired for sure. Hell if Miami doesn't get Saban I would love for them to wait and see what happens there in Seattle...

[Guest Vitamin X]

It's interesting with Saban, because I had heard that he had been thinking about the Cleveland hob as well, sicne he's tied to that city in a few ways as well, and I think he's had some talks with the GMs and whatnot. Although, I'd much rather take control of the Dolphins, who are just an offense away from going to the Super Bowl. Consider they traded away their biggest contributor on defense last year (Ogunleye) and their defense is still ranked among the best in the NFL. I think Saban would like seeing that, since he's also a defensive coach, whereas you'd go to the Browns and it'd be something almost completely different.

 

How could I have left the Browns out of the Hot Seat? Damn, I knew I'd forget a couple. And personally speaking, I don't think Butch Davis should be accountable for all the team's failures this year, they've had a myriad of injuries and they've played some great teams close this year (The Philly OT game comes to mind immediately) so they weren't terrible enough that he couldn't even finish out the season.

[Guest El Satanico]

The Butch Davis thing wasn't just about this season. It started to build to this last season.

 

I believe they were willing to let him return, but they were going to remove his GM powers. So, It could be a case of the team giving him the option of return as coach only or resign.

[Crimson Platypus 0]

The problems in Cleveland go all the way to the top, just a horrendously mismanaged organization from the top on down. I have no idea why anyone would be foolish enough to want to coach there as long as the Lerner family is in charge...

[Guest bigm350]

I'm a big Michigan fan but I can't help but feel sorry for Michigan State, who Saban coached here a few years back. I heard a radio interview with Saban a little while ago and he stated he would have stayed here at MSU if they would have given him a raise. Seeing how he turned LSU around, and also seeing how he had some good years at MSU, it makes me wonder if he could have turned MSU into a national power, much like he did at LSU? BTW, I think he would be a great NFL coach. It might take him a year or two, but I could see him turn the Dolphins around.

[Guest Vitamin X]

"Turn" the Dolphins around? They had consistently been a playoff-caliber team for years until the Williams saga this year and how Wannstedt got exposed for being the horrible coach that he is.

[Guest bigm350]

"Turn" the Dolphins around? They had consistently been a playoff-caliber team for years until the Williams saga this year and how Wannstedt got exposed for being the horrible coach that he is.

Well, I guess the loss of Williams hurt them more than anybody thought. Plus, Jay Fiedler and AJ Feeley suck. Combine that with a team that gave up on Wannstedt early and you can see why they're shitty this year. Personally, I don't think Wannstedt is a bad coach. I think he would be a better fit at the College level, compared to the NFL.

[Damaramu 0]

It gives me a heavy heart when I think about what the 49ers have become.

When I was a little kid I was a huge 49ers fan. I loved Joe, and Jerry, and Steve and so did my mom.

 

Montana went to KC and my mom followed. I being a kid and liking whatever my parents like developed an affinity for the Chiefs.

 

Then one day I saw Randall Cunningham in an Eagles jersey have a great game and I was like "I like that guy. I like this team." And from then on I was an Eagles fan.

 

But I still remember my love for the 49ers and in the back of my head I'm thinking "Come on be good again!' and it just doesn't look like it's going to happen!

[Guest bigm350]

I respected Montana, Rice, Young, and the Niners but I was never a fan of them. I'm still a fan of the Lions. Maybe I should be shot for saying that.

[KingPK 0]

How's the Joey Harrington Experience turning out for ya?

[Crimson Platypus 0]

How's the Joey Harrington Experience turning out for ya?

Complete bust imo... Harrington is simply not an NFL caliber QB. Time to draft another Andre Ware and start over. Man it sucks being a Lions fan sometimes.

[Guest bigm350]

How's the Joey Harrington Experience turning out for ya?

Harrington's the drizzling shits. IMO, the Lions need to get a good free agent QB this off-season. I don't think they should draft a QB, because in this day and age of football, it takes to long to groom someone at this position. The Lions have a talented RB, and receivers. Now all they need is a solid QB.

[Crimson Platypus 0]

How's the Joey Harrington Experience turning out for ya?

Harrington's the drizzling shits. IMO, the Lions need to get a good free agent QB this off-season. I don't think they should draft a QB, because in this day and age of football, it takes to long to groom someone at this position. The Lions have a talented RB, and receivers. Now all they need is a solid QB.

They should probably do both, grab a solid free agent for the short term and draft someone to groom. Get rid of Harrington and McMahon as they both are bad, very very bad.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

My Life Story.

What was the point of this?

 

I don't know, the Patriots have a much better defense and coaching staff then the Cowboys, but their offense had so much more star power, plus the blowing out thing is important, because beating a team down is more impressive then squeaking out a win over them. The 49ers teams of the early nineties weren't better then the Pats though, wasn't Emmitt or Irvin injured in that NFC Title Game? Dallas was still the better team from what I remember that year, although it WAS a long time ago....

[Guest Vitamin X]

Also keep in mind there wasn't that much competition in the NFC besides the Cowboys, Niners, and Packers which is certainly a lot less than you could argue for how good the AFC is/has been that the Patriots have played in. So, it's remarkable not only that New England has won, at times convincingly though at most times not quite, but always consistently. I still think New England could have, and should have beaten Pittsburgh, but they wanted to get the whole streak talk overwith, and it was better to lose on the road to a good team than any other way.

[Damaramu 0]

My Life Story.

What was the point of this?

 

Because I felt like telling it. We're talking about the 49ers possibly getting a new coach and I made mention as to why I hope they get a good coach.

 

If you don't like it then read past it don't start shit over it.

[Red Baron 0]

Really though the blame for Seattle's terrible season falls on the defense. They couldn't stop a faucet with one hand on the spigot. They have what? two good players on defense (Trufant and Wistrom). I see Holmgren getting fired for sure. Hell if Miami doesn't get Saban I would love for them to wait and see what happens there in Seattle...

 

That defence is hurt as anything, and they have no depth behind the starting line, and that is what is killing them.

 

Beginning of the season, the Seahawks probably had the best defence in the league (on paper).

[The Czech Republic 0]

I still think New England could have, and should have beaten Pittsburgh, but they wanted to get the whole streak talk overwith, and it was better to lose on the road to a good team than any other way.

Nah that was a real drubbing. And it's hard to say how great the New England Patriots are if they're just dropping games intentionally.

[Crimson Platypus 0]

Saban's (probable) hiring by Miami on hold... till they interview minorities:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor..._len&id=1948355

[Guest Vitamin X]

I didn't necessarily state they were dropping games intentionally, but with the rash of injuries they had suffered at the time of the game,and with the way things had been going in the game, it's possible they could have given up early in the game and just throw in the towel. They haven't lost a game since then, in fact they've won, I believe 23 of their last 24 games, which is incredible. I don't think any team has ever had that good of a stretch over a 24 game span.

[The Czech Republic 0]

I'm pretty sure it's 23 of 24, seeing as ESPN tells me every fifteen minutes.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Oh, and I forgot to mention Martz is probably on the same hot seat as well if the Rams don't make the playoffs this year. Which will make us all infinitely happier.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Except Seahawks fans.

[KingPK 0]

I didn't necessarily state they were dropping games intentionally, but with the rash of injuries they had suffered at the time of the game,and with the way things had been going in the game, it's possible they could have given up early in the game and just throw in the towel. They haven't lost a game since then, in fact they've won, I believe 23 of their last 24 games, which is incredible. I don't think any team has ever had that good of a stretch over a 24 game span.

The Pats' D just couldn't stop Bettis, the secondary gave up some long bombs from BenRo (going after Gay the first time he comes in was a stroke of genius), they had ZERO running game, and Pittsburgh was on fire. They didn't "throw in the towel" for anyone; Brady actually had a decent day (save for the INTs).

[Sass 0]

Holmgren should be dumped. This team was getting the "sleeper SB pick" before the season. That's been proven wrong this season. The Rams will finish 8-8 most likely and Martz will probably keep his job for another season.

 

Big Mike should be dumped for sure though. Missing out on a potential playoff birth is asinine with the talent the Seahawks have. Without Rod Stone, Holmgren is an above average coach with a crappy eye for talent as a GM. Dump him.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Speaking of Martz, here's some news on his situation:

 

Rams: Martz gets a vote of confidence

by Fanball Staff - Fanball.com

Tuesday, December 21, 2004

 

News

Rams' head coach Mike Martz said Monday that he has no intention of stepping down from his position at the end of the season. Meanwhile, Rams' president John Shaw said Monday Martz's job security does not hinge on whether he can lead his team to the playoffs. "It totally hasn't entered my mind," Shaw told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch regarding the possibility that Martz will be fired at the end of the season. "His record speaks for itself. He has the complete support of (owner) Georgia (Frontiere) and myself at this point." Martz has a 51-32 record during his five seasons as head coach.

 

Views

Martz has fallen out of favor with the St. Louis media. The headline of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch's Tuesday sports section reads, "View from Planet Martz." The headline is in reference to the reputation the coach has earned for being both flighty and stubborn over the years. One example of Martz's perceived flightiness came on Monday when headmitted that he didn't even realize that rookie running back Steven Jackson did not play in Sunday's loss to the Cardinals.

 

A vote of confidence from Georgia Frontiere. I'm pretty sure we can rely on her word!