evilhomer 0 Report post Posted December 27, 2004 I just got the Benoit dvd and saw his Souled Out match with Sid where he won the WCW World Heavyweight title. His reaction was like it was his first win but I would swear that he held it before that. WCW was too much of a mess at this time to follow closely but I did keep up with it to some extent. Was this his first win? How many times did he hold the title? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJordan23 0 Report post Posted December 27, 2004 That was the one and only time. I used to watch WCW as much asWWF/WWE and I don't even remember another one on one World Title match he wasin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbondrage99 0 Report post Posted December 27, 2004 That was the one and only time. I used to watch WCW as much asWWF/WWE and I don't even remember another one on one World Title match he wasin. He was in the main event from the world title tournament against Bret Hart at WCW Mayhem, though I'm betting its only because it was WCWs only PPV that took place in Canada. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted December 27, 2004 By the way, Benoit's WCW World Title win doesn't count. It was reversed the next night, as Benoit left WCW for WWE. Storyline mode (as you can see during the match) was special referee Arn Anderson announcing Sid's foot (clearly planned) was under the bottom rope as he tapped out. It's just like the referee doing a Dusty Finish at the end of a title bout, it doesn't count. WCW never counted it on their website title histories. It doesn't count. Just sayin'... Oh yeah, after Benoit, the title history went: SID, NASH, SID...it's like WWF 1995, baby! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJordan23 0 Report post Posted December 27, 2004 That was the one and only time. I used to watch WCW as much asWWF/WWE and I don't even remember another one on one World Title match he wasin. He was in the main event from the world title tournament against Bret Hart at WCW Mayhem, though I'm betting its only because it was WCWs only PPV that took place in Canada. Yeah, that's right. Forgot about that one, and yeah definitely cause of the Canadian audience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJordan23 0 Report post Posted December 27, 2004 By the way, Benoit's WCW World Title win doesn't count. It was reversed the next night, as Benoit left WCW for WWE. Storyline mode (as you can see during the match) was special referee Arn Anderson announcing Sid's foot (clearly planned) was under the bottom rope as he tapped out. It's just like the referee doing a Dusty Finish at the end of a title bout, it doesn't count. WCW never counted it on their website title histories. It doesn't count. Just sayin'... Oh yeah, after Benoit, the title history went: SID, NASH, SID...it's like WWF 1995, baby! The WWE did count it (Not sure if they still do) when he debuted. So, I'd say it's debatable if it's recognized. I'd bet 10 years from now it'll be recognized like the Andre title reign is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I like Forums 0 Report post Posted December 27, 2004 The Andre title reign? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted December 27, 2004 I'll always recognize Benoit's WCW title win even if it is tainted. They only reversed it because Benoit said "Fuck you!" to them when they only gave him the title to try to get him to stay which backfired. WWE used to recognize the title win, but I just checked his profile and its not there anymore unless whoever was working on the page forgot to put it in on Benoit's career highlights. Finally, Benoit's frustration was too much. It got to the point where he didn't enjoy coming to work every day. As a result, Benoit told WCW management that he was unhappy with his position in the company. Management quickly put him in a World Heavyweight Championship match against Sid Vicious, hoping it would silence him. It didn't. Even though Benoit defeated Vicious for the championship, he had already decided that he was done with the company. A mere two weeks later, Benoit, along with longtime friends and WCW wrestlers Malenko, Guerrero and Perry Saturn appeared on WWE RAW. ^ But they also put that in his bio so...who knows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 27, 2004 Andre's title reign has always counted, it just doesn't credit Dibiase's. By the way, Benoit personally says he doesn't count it, so what he says counts. He didn't want it and knew he was only being given it to kiss his BUTT and set him up to be squashed down the line by someone tall, lazy, and with funny looking hair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Epic Reine 0 Report post Posted December 27, 2004 That was the one and only time. I used to watch WCW as much asWWF/WWE and I don't even remember another one on one World Title match he wasin. He was in the main event from the world title tournament against Bret Hart at WCW Mayhem, though I'm betting its only because it was WCWs only PPV that took place in Canada. New Blood Rising also took place in Canada. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbondrage99 0 Report post Posted December 27, 2004 That was the one and only time. I used to watch WCW as much asWWF/WWE and I don't even remember another one on one World Title match he wasin. He was in the main event from the world title tournament against Bret Hart at WCW Mayhem, though I'm betting its only because it was WCWs only PPV that took place in Canada. New Blood Rising also took place in Canada. New Blood Rising? Im sure it existed but I sure as hell cant recall it. Sounds just like all the other shitty WCW PPV titles near the end like Sin & Greed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cawthon777 0 Report post Posted December 27, 2004 New Blood Rising? Im sure it existed but I sure as hell cant recall it. Sounds just like all the other shitty WCW PPV titles near the end like Sin & Greed. Booker vs. Jarrett Storm vs. Awesome with Jacques Rougeau as the referee. Bret shows up after the match. ... Some other matches I can't remember. I actually liked WCW from April - August 00. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted December 27, 2004 The best part of NBR is Konnan on commentary during the four-corner tag title match. He buries Kronic, Jindrak, O'Haire, Palumbo and Stasiak. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted December 27, 2004 NBR had a much hyped ladder match with 3 count/Dragons that was AWFUL and pales in comparison to their late 2000/early 2001 work. Awful Awesome/Storm match. Main Event was average. Awful three-way with Goldberg/Nash/Steiner...Goldberg "walks out" on the match. Storyline was "Wrestling is fake! Goldberg is supposed to LOSE. But he's not! This is revolutionary!" I kid you not. Plus, uh...Vampiro and Muta win the tag titles, a Sting squash, and more Russo crap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted December 28, 2004 By the way, Benoit's WCW World Title win doesn't count. It was reversed the next night, as Benoit left WCW for WWE. Storyline mode (as you can see during the match) was special referee Arn Anderson announcing Sid's foot (clearly planned) was under the bottom rope as he tapped out. It's just like the referee doing a Dusty Finish at the end of a title bout, it doesn't count. WCW never counted it on their website title histories. It doesn't count. Just sayin'... Oh yeah, after Benoit, the title history went: SID, NASH, SID...it's like WWF 1995, baby! But he still officially had it for one day. So there was a 24 hr period where he was undoubtably champ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted December 28, 2004 The finish with Sid's foot on the ropes was the obvious out for WCW if Benoit did indeed walk, which of course he did, but for that moment and one night he was the WCW World Champion, so for me personally it still counts. I mean, you can say that it was only done to bribe him, which it was, but whatever, that's the business for ya, and given the fact that if he'd decided to stay he would have recieved a decent length reign as a payoff I'm not buying that as a reason to strike it from the record, it was simply an obvious case of WCW watching their ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted December 28, 2004 I also have to add in I'm a bigtime fan of the "If the ref didn't see it, it didn't happen" rule. I fucking HATE next day reversal bullshit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted December 28, 2004 Yeah, totally, and you know Sid was jobbing clean on Nitro if Benoit had agreed to stick with WCW, so fuck all that "it never happened" shit. He still earned that spot he was in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haws bah gawd 0 Report post Posted December 28, 2004 If they are going to acknowledge this as a title change, then they should acknowledge RVD winning the Undisputed title from Undertaker in late Spring, 2002, on RAW. The match was almost immediately restarted because Takers foot was on the ropes, but they still announced "NEW WORLD CHAMPION, ROB VAN DAM!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted December 28, 2004 Quoting Arn Anderson on Nitro the day after Souled Out 2000, after announcing Benoit is not the WCW World Champion. "It's like it never happened." There you go. Sorry Benoit marks. We all love the Crippler. But he never held the Big Gold WCW-version World belt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJordan23 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2005 Quoting Arn Anderson on Nitro the day after Souled Out 2000, after announcing Benoit is not the WCW World Champion. "It's like it never happened." There you go. Sorry Benoit marks. We all love the Crippler. But he never held the Big Gold WCW-version World belt. Well WWE recognized him when he first came in, and WCW is defunct so what they recognize is irrelevant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 2, 2005 Benoit personally says he doesn't count it, so what he says counts. He didn't want it and knew he was only being given it to kiss his BUTT and set him up to be squashed down the line by someone tall, lazy, and with funny looking hair. Ahem... this is what really matters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ShootingStylesPress Report post Posted January 2, 2005 Quoting Arn Anderson on Nitro the day after Souled Out 2000, after announcing Benoit is not the WCW World Champion. "It's like it never happened." There you go. Sorry Benoit marks. We all love the Crippler. But he never held the Big Gold WCW-version World belt. Well WWE recognized him when he first came in, and WCW is defunct so what they recognize is irrelevant. History is told by the winners of war... I think that's the expression. Does it really matter, though? Chris won the title in WWE, so that's fine with me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2005 Something fun I remember. From the Nitro where Anderson admits he made a mistake (thus, Arn makes HIMSELF look bad for the millionth time to make WCW look good, since they were the ones that lost Benoit to WWE)... He says, "I've lived this nightmare before"....referencing 1991 when WCW lost World Champ Ric Flair to WWE. Those words always stuck with me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
