Orton vs HHH with HBK as ref

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In case anyone cares, this is being advertised on the radio for next week to be taking place after the cameras go off air.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

The recent HHH/Orton house show set up indicates to me Orton/HHH is headed to RR rather then Mania.

[cawthon777 0]

They had the same match this past Monday after the cameras stopped.

[BUTT 0]

The recent HHH/Orton house show set up indicates to me Orton/HHH is headed to RR rather then Mania.

I don't know about that. Orton/HHH is a pretty big match, and it wouldn't be smart to waste it at RR. I think they might have Edge win the title at NYR, and then they can do Edge/HBK for the title at WM21 and also Orton/HHH. However, I think they're doing Orton/HHH at house shows now because they want to be able to get good house show business out of the match but don't want to do it just before WM, as it would lessen the importance of the Wrestlemania match. Then, if the rumors are true, Orton may be heading to Smackdown after WM, so they wouldn't be able to do the match then, so they want to do it now.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

How is it a big match? They already fought each other and the buyrates were weak for that and the general feeling for Orton is basically lukewarm apathy and the HHH/Orton program on air has been basically shoved aside in favor for the more intriging Batista slow burn turn on HHH.

 

Any remote chances of the HHH/Orton angle being good was shot when they blew it. HHH/Batistia has been well developed thus far.

 

I'd love to see Edge/Benoit rather, I'd have Edge win via Shawn's mistake (let Edge benefit for Shawn's stupidity for once). Edge is all glad-happy but someone, let's say Jericho backstage points out he only won because Shawn accidently kicked Benoit. Edge starts to feel like his title win was tainted by Shawn and that once again Shawn stole his spotlight. Shawn feigns an apology to Benoit but you can clearly tell he couldn't care about what happened to Benoit.

 

Edge makes a demand to Bischoff to get at Shawn, Shawn has no problems with that because he still harbors his anger for Edge spearing him at Taboo Tuesday. They are booked in a tag Match, Shawn with Benoit (Benoit might hate shawn but he still wants a piece of Edge) and Edge with a partner of his choosing the night after NYR. Edge naturally says he had to call up a old buddy of his and outcomes Christian.

 

It's a hot match that ends with a huge pullout brawl between Shawn and Edge. The next week Edge sneak attacks Shawn in the back and beats him down and Shawn does his textbook bloodwork, Edge makes sure to focus on the leg which is still a question mark. So they hype edge may have reinjured that leg. Later that night, since Edge is determined to prove he's a legit champion makes an open challenge to the back except for Benoit, whom was "conviently" challenged by Christian eariler that night and thus was contractually unable to accept Edge's challenge. Orton answers it and Shawn hobbles down and causes the DQ and tries to return the favor but Edge runs away. Shawn throws out the challenge, Edge pauses and walks back and grabs another mic and accepts but Bischoff comes out and says, "Shawn, you can't make a match for the Royal Rumble! That's my job but you know...but I have an idea...How about at the royal rumble in 2 weeks...The World Champion EDGE makes his first PPV title defense against a former world champion...Shawn Michaels!" Crowd pops or sits on it's hands, either way and then Eric adds just before he leaves "By the way, this big match? It'll be a I Quit Match!".

 

Shawn and Edge have the usual 20-25 minute bloody brawl with Shawn donating enough blood to the city of fresno to supply 10 hospitals with Edge getting the victory via the Edgecutioner (or whatever the Figure Four Leg Lock Sharpshooter move is called). Shawn is carried out by the refs and taken to the trainers. Later we see shawn in the trainers room being tended to, next to him is a moniter...which seuges into EDGE leaving with a huge grin on his face and carrying the title and he sees Angle preparing for the rumble. He brags about the victory and angle responds "you beat a old timer. that must feel great. I won a gold medal with a broken freaking neck. I main evented WM. Oh well, it's a start i guess. congrats." and Edge shrugs it off...later in the rumble Angle is having a good run but Shawn hobbles down and sends Angle over. Setting up Angle/HBK for mania.

 

I'm sorry but Edge/HBK isn't a WM caliber match. ESP for the Title.

[Guest Rrrsh]

I forsee Edge losing at NYR and blaming it on Shawn in a parniod way. A phanotom fast count, if you will. That will begin the build to WM

 

Orton will win the EC and face HHH at RR, where Batista will officallly turn.

 

After Orton beats HHH at RR, Benoit will then ask for a shot at Orton's belt, since he lost due to HBK acciedentally superkciking him in the EC and he never got a legit rematch. Orton will refuse provoking Benoit to snap and turn heel, leading to a Title match at WM.

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Note: This post refers to The Shadow Behind You's last post.

 

Maybe you're right. They've already done Benoit/Edge and I don't know if that's big enough to be Raw's big match. I was just suggesting Edge/Shawn since they seemed to be setting that up back in October. Is there actually a chance of Shawn/Angle? I know Heyman wanted that, but the booking team usually rejects his ideas just out of spite.

 

As for your Rumble idea, I don't think Angle is going to be in the Rumble, as he's taking part in the three-way WWE title match with JBL and Big Show. And if we have HBK, Orton, HHH, Angle, Big Show, and so many other top stars taking part in matches, the Rumble isn't going to have a lot of star power.

 

On another note, I wouldn't be surprised to see Cena win the Rumble and go on to face JBL at WM. Anyone else agree?

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

I posted this before Smackdown, which was the first time in ages I didn't read the spoilers. I figured they were setting up for the more logical TBS/JBL singles match.

 

Benoit/Edge wouldn't main event anyways. It'd be all about Batistia/HHH anways....I'm not sure how to set up Angle/HBK but I'm sure they can create a pointless reasoning, I and most here just want the damn match.

 

I'd do

 

JBL/Cena (champion vs champion)

Benoit/Edge (title match)

Batistia/HHH

Orton/Rock(Orton's last chance to get fully over)

Angle/HBK (hype as a dream match)

Taker and Kane/Snitsky and Heidenreich

 

for the upper card.

 

Jericho/Benjamin/Christian/Matt Hardy-4 Way IC Title Ladder Match

London/Chavo/Kidman/Nunzio 4 Way CW Title Match

Lita/Trish Woman's Match with a gimmick (strap or even a cage just to be different)

RVD+Mysterio/Eddy and Booker 2/3 falls WWE Tag Titles (hell, tonight was good. Just keep simmering it to a boil up to Mania and have the blowoff there)

Regal and Eugene/Rhyno and Tajiri (Heel turn Rhyno and Tajiri by having them snap after losing a title match and taking out Eugene, forcing regal to defend by himself in rematch, regal is unable to win. Eugene ignores "serious medical warnings" and demands to get back at them, Uncle Eric agrees but it's non-scantioned.)

Battle Royal for the rest of the roster...(everyone might as well get a check this year).

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Now OK, that is a good plan, especially Rock/Orton. Except for Taker/Kane-Snitsky/Heidenreich...sure it makes sense from a storyline standpoint, but it would be SO awful.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

yes but might as well keep the four pillars of suck contained at once.

[Blade2kxx 0]

Then again, if they gave us more Snitsky/Heidenreich discussions like they had at SurSer...

 

I'd like that match anyway, because SNITSKY ES HEYSUS~!

[Promoter 0]

If there was any multi-way match that they should be planning I would say Batista/Flair/Orton/HHH has the best backstory and let the world title be in another match. Angle/HBK would be my choice as they can just make up some kind of convoluted story as they always do. Then again they might go with Edge as champ against HBK and Angle if the Survivor Series stuff has any merit.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

After thinking about it; I'd have Cena draw #18 and win the rumble. Benoit wins the title @ NYR via Shawn's "mistake" superkick....HHH gets his rematch for whatever reason at R.R and Batistia finally turns on him. Edge faces HBK in a MAJORLY hyped raw in a street fight on 2/7/05. Edge goes over. Shawn starts being heelish and cocky again for whatever reason, This pisses off Bischoff and he announces he elected Shawn to represent RAW in a very special Raw Vs Smackdown match @ Mania and that he's not sure who will be facing him but Long will announce it on Thursday. On thursday, Angle cuts a bitchfest to long in his office bout how he deserves to be the #1 contender for the title at Mania and how he's the best smackdown has to offer.... Long cuts a promo about how this is a crucial event and Smackdown MUST show it's donminance over Raw and he chose the best man...Kurt Angle. Angle is pissed off about this but then Long sweat talks him into believing he really is the best sd has to offer and Angle takes this seriously all the sudden. Shawn is happy because he's been hearing Angle run his mouth for years about being the best and beating the best but he never beat him.

 

Cena is a straight up challenger, JBL tries to take him down via threats and throwing more and more people at him. Cena continues to overcome them.

 

Orton Vs Rock was already sort of set up back last summer. After losing @ NYR...Orton becomes arrogant and obnoxious again. Rock comes back lat January and basically cuts a motherfucking golden putting you over promo for orton and challenges that he's gonna slap Orton's bitch ass around. Orton is excited by this, not afraid but ready to beat not only a "wrestling legend on the biggest stage...but a Hollywood Icon in HOLLYWOOD". Rock and Orton do the Memphis style stuff rock was wanting to do. The heat should be incredible for these two. Just to add more excitement to it...Ric Flair sides with Orton once again and Mr. Foley elects to be Rock's cornerman. adding that little sidestory to the mix. the heat would astromical.

 

Snitsky and Kane interfere in the casket match leading to a no contest. then UT and Heidenreich interfere in the rumble...eliminating Kane and Snitsky...Vince McMahon makes another rare apperence 0n Raw and decides he's going to do something he promised not to do and OVER RIDE Bischoff's and Long's authority and scantion Kane and The Undertaker to face Snitsky and Heidenreich in a special one night only Co-Brand Tag Team Match and just to spice it up, it's no DQ.

 

As mentioned above, Batistia finally goes Virgil on HHH's Dibiase @ Rumble. Goes into the rumble and dominates only for HHH to screw him over. Batistia cuts a promo "figures you screwed me out. You always tried to be my voice. to tell me what to do. Keeping me from reaching what is my ultimate potential and that was the spot you hold Triple H. Not anymore, I stood behind your shadow and saved your ass too many times now. I watched how you really play the game. It's simple...you let me and Flair do YOUR dirty work and take the credit for it at the end. Not anymore. I'm ONE MAN! I do not answer to anyone but myself. That title never belonged to you, I'm the reason it ever was around your shoulders. You always had someone behind you keeping that title around your waist. Now that you don't have the title, you become a shell of yourself and quite frankly, It's well enough time for me to exploit the weakness I've designed within you".

 

the usual build up ensues. This gets the focus over the Edge/Benoit match which is basically EDGE going on and on about his destiny and how finally with no one around to ruin his destiny, he'll fulfill it @ Mania. Benoit simply refuses to lose.

 

Benjamin is still the retaining champion and basically he fights everyone off but they can't figure out a rightful #1 contender. The build is that Benjamin has beaten them all except Hardy(in a non title match) but Jericho and Christian have beaten Matt. Jericho beaten Christian but Christian reminds us he beat Jericho at last Mania. So because it's basically equal standing here, so all three get a shot and just to make it sexier, they add the Ladder since they are all expierenced in Ladder matches.

 

The Woman's title goes back to Trish @ NYR in a heelish fashion and lita basically chases after it again, the ultimate blowoff would go off in some gimmick that hasn't been done for a Woman's match and a cage match on the magitude of WM is that. It'd be the first PPV Woman's Cage Match ever which for wwe's mindset would add appeal to the card.

 

RVD and Mysterio Vs Eddy and Booker is basically four great faces who clearly interact well with each in the ring and are creative to make each match different work a series of matches where it's basically equal. Exchange the title a couple times as well, leading to a 2/3 Falls match, Eddy and Booker tease dissention throughout the series but in the end @ Mania, RVD turns on Mysterio to everyone's "shock".

 

Eugene and Regal retain the titles @ NYR over Christian and Tomko. Tajiri and Rhyno are named #1 challengers after the rumble(San Jose Show) and they lose but they ask and receive another match next week but lose again...Rhyno and Tajiri SNAP and attack Eugene and he does a 5 alarm blade job and is carried out via ambulance. on 2/14 in 'Nati. Regal defends it alone and fights valiently but loses. Bischoff reveals his sister informed him that Eugene suffered further neurological damage and is in no condition to wrestle again. Eugene surprises everyone at RAW three weeks before Mania obviously not "right" even further and he stammers and finally gets out "I want to wrestle. I want to wrestle with William. I want my belts back. I like being a World Champion. Uncle Eric...please you have to let me wrestle." Eric refuses but in a emotional scene, Eugene falls to his knees crying and hitting eric's jacket begging "YOU HAVE TO LET ME WRESTLE UNCLE ERIC!!!!"...Eric sheds a tear..."I can't. You can't eugene. If you get hit one more time...You might not..." "not what uncle eric? live? Uncle I've already lived. I live every night when I get in that ring and those people cheer for me. FOR ME! I always dreamt it and it came true just like mommy used to tell me it would. Uncle Eric, if you DONT let me wrestle...then...I'll die. here in my heart. don't kill me uncle eric. let me wrestle...if only one more time..." Finally Eric gives in and allows him to and announces despite it being non-scantioned by orders of WWE Offices, he'll shoulder the responsibility pesonally.

 

CW Title match is Kidman winning @ Rumble over Funaki and defending it against three other guys. No backstory would be bothered with.

 

The Battle Royal shoves the rest of the card into a 24 Man battle royal with the promise being, that the Winner gets to choose which show he is drafted by in the annual Raw/Smackdown Draft.

 

Participates?

Tomko, Conway, Grenier, Henry, Maven, Richards, The Coach, Venis, Hurricane, Rosey, Dean and Hassan.

The Big Show, Holly, Puder, Haas, Dupree, Kenzo, Spike, Funaki, Doug Basham, Danny Basham, D-von and Buh Buh

Edited December 31, 2004 by The Shadow Behind You

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Edge / Michaels would be awesome for WM if it was for the title, but of course HHH won't allow that to happen.

[foleyfanforever88 0]

TheShadowBehindYou's card is the best Ive heard except for the battle royal part. Big Show has to be on the card somewhere too.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

He's in the battle royal. It's the Andre booking. He will dominate the rumble and continue to look impressive by beating down 23 other men and it saves from having to put him in a real match. Battle Royals showcase his strengths and obscures his glaring weaknesses.

[AlwaysPissedOff 0]

Why would Edge team with Christian again after he beat the shit out of him after the last time they teamed together? Plus, with the tension they displayed beforehand, I'd say them acting somewhat buddy-buddy after that would be rather odd.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

It's basically a meaningless tag match to set up the Edge/HBK brawl and remember he's a loner, so unless HHH teams with him to go after Benoit (seeing as how HHH/Benoit is "booked" for rumble), Edge is paranoid of anyone so he goes "fine, I'll take my old partner" routine and in reality, it's me wanting to see someone different get if only for one night only a ME spot.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

But why would Christian agree to it, seeing as he's the one who got beat up the last time they teamed? He's got nothing to gain.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

"I'll give you a shot when I win the title"...

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

And why would Christian trust him?

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

Fine, throw in the "Hey, if you beat the champion here, it might look good to Bischoff" line as well to entice Edge.

 

I can't believe your nitpicking on the smallest detail of that entire FB.

[AlaskanHero 0]

Well, those small details are the same small details everyone in this folder would complain about and say how the writers were stupid for forgetting it.

 

Either way, I think that's some good FBing there.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

But why would Christian agree to it, seeing as he's the one who got beat up the last time they teamed? He's got nothing to gain.

Christian's basically a jobber so why would Bischoff care what he thinks.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

After experiencing how over Orton was, I have faith in Orton being the one to lead the WWE into the new generation of superstars although I feel Cena is the better choice overall.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

Just because your over with the crowd doesn't mean that you're the right guy.

 

Hogan proved this in 2002 when ratings took a massive freefall.

 

Rikishi was arguably #2 face in 2000, that doesn't mean he should have Main evented WMX7.

[iggymcfly 0]

For some reason, I really hate the idea of Cena/JBL as the Smackdown main event. JBL still screams piece of shit transitional champion to me, and he still would if he held the title for four years. He brings down the prestige of the title, rather than the title helping him. They just need to abort his reign before they get to the biggest show of the year.

 

Cena, meanwhile still works as a mid-level face, and he could even main event another PPV, but the last thing he needs is to be pushed as the top star on both shows by winning the Rumble and main eventhing Wrestlemania. His stale character needs a heel turn more than it needs to be pushed to the sky.

 

If Vince were smart he'd just bring in Brock to put a band-aid on the Smackdown ME scene, rather than trying to push this shit that no one likes.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

The WORST thing to do right now is abort the reign and toss it over to someone else. Everyone else save for JBL and Cena are stale and Cena is approaching staleness as it is.

 

JBL has been champion for over 6 months now and would be a 9 month reign champion when Mania comes around.

 

Bradshaw wouldn't be the worst person ever in the main event (as matter of fact; I doubt it even headlines, if HHH/Orton happens, that will headline). Bundy, Slaugter, Sid(twice), Yokozuna (twice), Bigelow, Taylor were worst.

 

Ideally JBL/Eddy would be the match considering they work GREAT against each other and still haven't had that conclusive finality. I'd perfer Cena/CCC for Mania in the midcard for the US Title.

 

Who would you slap the title on to get it off JBL? Angle? It doesn't get more stale then Kurt Angle. TBS? Fine...who would face him? Angle/TBS isn't going to happen...there are no other heels to legitmately main event maina against show.

 

It's stupid to put the title on JBL but even stupider to take it off him after this long of a reign without blowing it off in a bigger way.

 

Lesnar? not going to happen. Besides, putting him on Smackdown is a waste considering he went over everyone there save for Eddy. Raw brings the quality.

 

JBL/Cena would likely be the 9th match of the proposed 12 match card kinda like HHH/Booker was.

 

I wouldn't put it past Vince to have JBL go over...according to Meltz, JBL is still going to be a main eventer in '05 even after he drops the title.