Fantastic 4 Film Changed due to Incredibles...

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

From Rotten Tomato...

 

Apparently the third act of the FF movie was changed due to similarities of the Incredibles' character Elastigirl and Mr. Fantastic.

 

The movie added some reported 20 million dollars to have a crazy end sequences, which is heavily reliant on Fantastics stretching abilities.

 

20 million is a little much, as I expect this movie to tank.

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

Unbelievable! Do they REALLY expect audiences to call Fantastic Four an Incredibles rip off?

 

The fact that MARVEL COMICS is producing it should clue people in that the FF have been around longer than the Incredibles. Maybe they won't realize the DECADES between them, but at least realize that the FF are coming from an OLDER SOURCE MATERIAL!

 

Steve

[starvenger 0]

I'm sure that Brad Bird would be the first guy to say that Elastigirl is an homage of sorts to Mr. Fantastic, but still, who knows what the kids are thinking these days?

[Mole 0]

Unbelievable! Do they REALLY expect audiences to call Fantastic Four an Incredibles rip off?

 

The fact that MARVEL COMICS is producing it should clue people in that the FF have been around longer than the Incredibles. Maybe they won't realize the DECADES between them, but at least realize that the FF are coming from an OLDER SOURCE MATERIAL!

 

Steve

You are giving people too much credit.

 

Most of them are stupid.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

What do you guys think the gross for FF will be here in the US? Be reasonable. Yes, the hardcore comic fans will see it, but mainstream America? With Marvel's latest offerings of Blade Trinity (crap) and Elektra (who knows, but it looks like shite), I doubt FF will be a cash cow.

 

Still, Chiklis as Grimm is great casting.

[teke184 0]

FF sounds like it will be the typical Marvel shit-fest, although I'd love to see Chiklis yell "It's clobberin' time!" before beating some con's head in.

[CBright7831 0]

Let's look at Marvel's movies since 2000.

 

Successes:

X-Men

Spider-man

X-Men 2

Spider-man 2

 

 

Failures:

Daredevil

The Hulk

Blade: Trinity

Elektra (soon to be)

 

I know I'm missing something but there you go for the most part.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Where does the Punisher fall under? Success or Failure?

[Guest netslob]

i'm surprised DC isn't giving the 'Incredibles' people shit over the use of the name "Elastigirl"...it was the name of one of the founding members of the Doom Patrol, created in the '60's. the character has recently brought back, too, in the current John Byrne re-boot of the title. my guess is they got paid royalties, or they just don't care.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

But it's John Byrne. Who'd read a John Byrne 2000 story.

[Guest netslob]

cute...

[CBright7831 0]

Where does the Punisher fall under? Success or Failure?

I don't know about The Punisher.

 

I know it went up against Kill Bill Vol. 2 and was panned by critics so I guess it could be considered a failure.

[starvenger 0]

FF sounds like it will be the typical Marvel shit-fest, although I'd love to see Chiklis yell "It's clobberin' time!" before beating some con's head in.

I think that the inevitable comparison to "The Incredibles" by the non-comic geek reviewers will land FF squarely in the middle (how's that for a copout?) of the eight movies that CBright7831 mentioned.

[pochorenella 0]

The Punisher grossed over $35-40 million, out of $30 million or so budget, so you can call it whatever you wish to. Also, the DVD was a top seller, so I'm inclined to call it a mild success.

 

And I wouldn't exactly call Daredevil a failure. It cost $70 million to make and it made $105 million in the US alone, so I'd call it a mild success also. Not every superhero movie can do the bussiness that Spidey or X-Men movies do.

[Black Lushus 0]

while they weren't GREAT, i didn't have a huge problem with Punisher or Daredevil...hell I thought Hulk was decent until that shitty final battle...

[pochorenella 0]

I think that the inevitable comparison to "The Incredibles" by the non-comic geek reviewers will land FF squarely in the middle (how's that for a copout?) of the eight movies that CBright7831 mentioned

 

Yes, I agree. Right after I saw the movie I got worried that FF would be considered a rip-off by non-comics fans. I remember when Roeper reviewed the first X-Men movie and basically called Wolverine a Freddy Krueger-ripoff, which is totally an insane thing to say.

 

Still, I have faith in the FF movie. Hopefully it'll be a terrific movie that does very well.

[tbondrage99 0]

Failures:

Daredevil

The Hulk

Both movies grossed over 100 million, I dont think they can be considered failures.

[starvenger 0]

Failures:

Daredevil

The Hulk

Both movies grossed over 100 million, I dont think they can be considered failures.

Critical failures, I guess?

[2GOLD 0]

If DareDevil didn't have that laughable leaping all over the place, it would have been a bigger success. That just totally kills the movie.

 

But for a Superhero that wasn't that well known, I'd say it did very well. And whoever decided to release Blade III the same weekend as Ocean's 12 needed a swift kick in the shin.

 

Hulk was a success but it failed to start the franchise they had hoped for. Considering THE HULK was just as well known as Spiderman, just getting over 100 million made it a disappointment. Cut out that horrible final battle and it was a good movie.

[Guest netslob]

well i found the answer to my earlier inquiry, in the Trivia section in 'The Incredibles' entry on the IMDB:

 

The superheroine Elastigirl isn't the first one to use that name. Elasti-Girl is a member of the Doom Patrol, a DC Comics team whose adventures were published from 1963 to 1968, as well as in a new series that started in June 2004. The comic Elasti-Girl cannot stretch her body; she possesses the ability to alter her size. DC Comics allowed Pixar to use the "Elastigirl" name only within the movie itself. In all related promotions (toys, games, advertising), she is named "Mrs. Incredible".

 

so there you go.

[Guest Prodigy]

From SuperHeroHype:

 

Rumors on Fantastic Four Exaggerated?

Source: LightninStrikez

January 1, 2005

 

 

Cinescape recently posted a report that said the Fantastic Four production was getting another $20 million to beef-up the Mr. Fantastic stretching effects and to change the third act of the film so that it would differ more from The Incredibles.

 

Scooper 'LightninStrikez' says those statements are a bit over the top:

 

By the way, one of the fans in our forum has links to the FF production and he told me that some of the Cinescape article is a bit "exaggerated".

 

According to him, Fox is not worried about the comparisons between the "Fantastic Four" and the "Incredibles". The feedback from Fox was that the climax was a little limp compared to the rest of the film.

 

To ensure that the film would have the best conclusion/climax they shelled out another $20 mill, but not due to Elasticgirl, as the articles suggest.

 

Either way it's good news for Fantastic Four fans!

 

Just to clear things up a bit.

[Guest netslob]

and it's not like that's the only similarity between the two franchises. like Violet/Invisable Girls' powers (invisiblity and creating force-fields), and the ending of the 'Incredibles' reminded me alot of the FF's first villain (i don't know how to use spoiler tags, so i don't want to give it away).

[starvenger 0]

I'll do it for you: You're talking about Mole Man, who I've generally thought of as more of a tragic figure than villain anyways.

[CBright7831 0]

If DareDevil didn't have that laughable leaping all over the place, it would have been a bigger success. That just totally kills the movie.

 

But for a Superhero that wasn't that well known, I'd say it did very well. And whoever decided to release Blade III the same weekend as Ocean's 12 needed a swift kick in the shin.

 

Hulk was a success but it failed to start the franchise they had hoped for. Considering THE HULK was just as well known as Spiderman, just getting over 100 million made it a disappointment. Cut out that horrible final battle and it was a good movie.

The fight with the Hulk Dogs also put it down a notch also.

[pochorenella 0]

If DareDevil didn't have that laughable leaping all over the place, it would have been a bigger success. That just totally kills the movie.

 

But for a Superhero that wasn't that well known, I'd say it did very well. And whoever decided to release Blade III the same weekend as Ocean's 12 needed a swift kick in the shin.

 

Hulk was a success but it failed to start the franchise they had hoped for. Considering THE HULK was just as well known as Spiderman, just getting over 100 million made it a disappointment. Cut out that horrible final battle and it was a good movie.

The fight with the Hulk Dogs also put it down a notch also.

Actually, I thought that was a great fight that put across how savage the Hulk could really be.

 

Adding a little more to the success/non-success of the Hulk movie: The movie cost around $135 million to make and it just grossed that same amount at the US box office. I remember it opened huge with $55 million, so they proyected well above $200 mil total gross and it came way short due to whatever reason (slow first 30 minutes with no Hulk, weak main villain, weak final fight). Anyway, I liked the movie and its comic book style of storytelling. If there's one thing I really disliked was how wimpy Betty Ross was in front of her father. She basically let him push her around and he did whatever he pleased with Bruce and she did mostly nothing to help him. If I were Banner I'd dump her ass. Then again, a woman that hot...