Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted January 13, 2005 Toronto isn't really Benoit-territory. We like gimmicks. We kinda suck/rule that way. I've noticed some mixed crowd reaction for Benoit in Ontario. Sometimes he doesn't get much of a reaction (Nitro -- the night of Bret, Goldberg and the steel plate and Summerslam) but than at Mayhem and the next night on Raw after Slam against Orton he was really over. Any speculation on that Rudo? And while we're having fun here discussing stuff, who do you think'll get the biggest pops/jeers in Toronto? Perhaps Jericho will roll out of a crossface attempt into a Walls of Jericho, in a counter we've NEVER seen before, and by "NEVER seen before", I mean "the same counter that has been used in every single WWE match they've ever had". That's true they like that counter a lot. Maybe you want to check out King of the Ring 2001. Benoit gets the crossface, Jericho powers out into a peterson roll attempt, Benoit immediatly rolls him through and than Jericho goes for the liontamer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted January 13, 2005 The only time I saw Benoit in Toronto, he was teaming with Angle-and the crowd was going insane for Angle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted January 13, 2005 How can somebody go over that way? Unless its a series of exibition constructive competition matches, to see who is the better man. Pretty much, yeah, a respect feud that maybe devolves into some genuine dislike on both of their part, maybe finalize a turn for one of them at the end of it based on crowd reactions, but there's absolutely no reason to turn either man going into it when the crowd digs both of them and will get into the matches. You don't need to construct a face/heel dynamic when the matches are already guaranteed to get heat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted January 13, 2005 Toronto is the biggest city in Canada, biggest centre for finance, entertainment, etc. but on the International scene, it is rather small. It's a rather strange dynamic. Big fish in a small pond, if you will. We're mainstream in one sense, but compared to American cities we're like the youngest brother in a big family trying to get attention. So we look to be different. We want to be different. And when there's something different, something unique and interesting, we try to latch on to it. Benoit is Canada. Small in size, tends to be set-aside and looked over, works hard and doesn't really ask for anything. The missing tooth also adds to it. Toronto doesn't want to be Canada. So we don't really cheer him as much as other parts of Canada. At Summerslam, Benoit was the face champ and Orton was the cool heel that was picking up steam. However, on RAW, Orton was recognized as the champ, so it was like an underground band getting mainstream attention and acceptance, now that he's big time its not fun to cheer for him anymore. And that defines the Toronto fans, we cheer for fun. Benoit was then (on RAW) the underdog, plus he was pissed, plus he put over Orton cleanly and shook his hand afterwards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted January 13, 2005 Most Over: - Hassan - Batista Biggest Heat: - Orton - Michaels Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted January 13, 2005 HBK didn't seem to get that much heat two years ago. I was the only one booing him it seems. Steiner got shit on though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted January 13, 2005 Curry and I will be there. We will slaughter him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted January 13, 2005 Benoit is Canada. Small in size, tends to be set-aside and looked over, works hard and doesn't really ask for anything. The missing tooth also adds to it. Toronto doesn't want to be Canada. So we don't really cheer him as much as other parts of Canada. At Summerslam, Benoit was the face champ and Orton was the cool heel that was picking up steam. However, on RAW, Orton was recognized as the champ, so it was like an underground band getting mainstream attention and acceptance, now that he's big time its not fun to cheer for him anymore. And that defines the Toronto fans, we cheer for fun. Benoit was then (on RAW) the underdog, plus he was pissed, plus he put over Orton cleanly and shook his hand afterwards. I was thinking along those lines too but it just seemed to big a difference for me just to pass it off as the "mainstream isn't cool" train of thought. That does exist but do you think it was sorely responsable? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted January 13, 2005 Curry and I will be there. We will slaughter him. I'm planning on booing the living piss out of him like I always do. At Wrestlemania XX I spent most of the 3-way heckling the shit out of him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted January 15, 2005 Benoit interview about the match Benoit prepares for Canadian battle next week January 10, 2005 By Anthony Cali FORT LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA – They’ve had similar beginnings, and traveled similar roads to Superstardom. Both Chris Jericho and Chris Benoit grew up watching wrestling, trained at Stu Hart’s Dungeon, then moved on to ECW, WCW, and WWE, respectively, where they each became household names. Over the course of their careers, their paths have crossed countless times. In fact, they’ve even held the World Tag Team Championship together. Aside from sharing the same first name, many people are constantly comparing the technical prowess, submission skills, and high-flying abilities of these two athletes. And while both have been World Champions, and top title contenders, they’ve managed to stay on friendly terms. Next week, at Toronto’s Air Canada Center, the two pure athletes will square off in the Great White North to determine which one is better. After hearing news of the upcoming contest, WWE.com sat down with Benoit to get his thoughts on Y2J and what fans can expect to see on next week’s broadcast. WWE.com: How do you feel about being put in a match next week against the man who was your tag team partner tonight, Chris Jericho? Benoit: I’m actually looking very forward to it. I have a lot of respect for Chris Jericho. I think he’s very gifted, and very talented. And when you look at our backgrounds, and where we came from, there’s a competitiveness between us – not in a bad way, but in a healthy way. WWE.com: How would you say that you two match up against each other? Benoit: We match up very well. I’ve got the utmost respect for Chris’s ability as an in-ring competitor, and I’ve seen him rise through the ranks and become a World Champion. I remember when he won, I was so happy for him. So he and I will always have that rivalry between us – it’s our competitive nature – because we both learned this business from the Harts in Calgary, and it’s become a special challenge every time we get in the ring with each other. WWE.com: Tonight, we saw you and Jericho make Christian and Tyson Tomko tap out in stereo, using your two finishing holds. But of the two, which do you think is more potent? Benoit: They’re both very potent, but you know I’d have to say that the Crippler Crossface is more potent, and much tougher. And at the same time, I’m sure that Jericho thinks the same thing, but I guess everyone will find out for sure next Monday. WWE.com: Why do you think that the two of you were picked to fight each other? Benoit: I just think that because of our history, and the competitiveness between us, that we match up well. We may have tagged tonight, but we’ll face each other next week, and I’m anxiously looking forward to the battle. WWE.com: Will the result of next week’s contest put a strain on your friendship with Y2J? Benoit: No, not at all, because there’s one other thing Chris and I share – respect. He and I will be able to walk away, talk about our match afterwards, and then shake hands at the end of the night, out of respect for one another. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted January 15, 2005 Household names? Okay besides Austin, Rock, Hogan, Savage, Owen Hart, Andre, and Maybe Flair no other wrestler have ever been a household name. Unless it's canada; then Bret can be on the list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted January 15, 2005 Household names? Okay besides Austin, Rock, Hogan, Savage, Owen Hart, Andre, and Maybe Flair no other wrestler have ever been a household name. Unless it's canada; then Bret can be on the list. Hogan and Andre are the biggest households name I think. Simply for the fact that if you talk to older people Hulk Hogan = wrestling plus all the younger people know who he is as well. Andre definitely was a household name before. Everybody knew who he was. Now with the younger generation of people on this earth I don't think everyone knows who he is. Savage isn't a household name. I don't see it. Owen Hart? Almost but not quite. His tragic death was a sad story but I don't think everyone knows it although a lot of nonwrestling fans do. Rock? Extreamly close. I think I might give it to him. I'm not quite sure if he's a household name among the older folk Austin? Extreamly close as well although the Rock has taken him over Flair? No. AMong wrestling fans he's a household name but not among your avearage person Bret Hart? Pretty close as well. A good amount of people who know about Owen would know about Bret plus Bret's name is well known as well. Definitely top 5 for a household name among wrestling fans but I don't think he's a household name yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Angle-plex 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 Household names? Okay besides Austin, Rock, Hogan, Savage, Owen Hart, Andre, and Maybe Flair no other wrestler have ever been a household name. Unless it's canada; then Bret can be on the list. Take out Owen and put in Ultimate Warrior and I'd say that's an accurate list. A lot of people know the 80s guys pretty well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted January 15, 2005 Household names? Okay besides Austin, Rock, Hogan, Savage, Owen Hart, Andre, and Maybe Flair no other wrestler have ever been a household name. Unless it's canada; then Bret can be on the list. Take out Owen and put in Ultimate Warrior and I'd say that's an accurate list. A lot of people know the 80s guys pretty well. Household Name -- A household name in all houses? Right? Not just wrestling houses. I don't think Warrior's a household name either. He got publicity for beating Hogan but that's about it. Hogan as of now and Andre years ago would be what I call true household names. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Thrashist Report post Posted January 15, 2005 Chris Jericho vs Chris Benoit. This is the type of feud that should be headlining PPV after PPV after PPV in 2005. I can't imagine any mark or smark alike who would be more interested in Triple H vs Orton, but hey, that may be just me. Twenty bucks says they throw this match out as the second of the night with absolutely no hype, give it a good ten minutes while JR and King talk in the background about "by god, what will have Triple H have in store for us tonight!!11" and then Raw forgets the match as soon as it's over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Angle-plex 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 Household names? Okay besides Austin, Rock, Hogan, Savage, Owen Hart, Andre, and Maybe Flair no other wrestler have ever been a household name. Unless it's canada; then Bret can be on the list. Take out Owen and put in Ultimate Warrior and I'd say that's an accurate list. A lot of people know the 80s guys pretty well. Household Name -- A household name in all houses? Right? Not just wrestling houses. I don't think Warrior's a household name either. He got publicity for beating Hogan but that's about it. Hogan as of now and Andre years ago would be what I call true household names. Depends on how you ask them. If you went up to a non-wrestling fan and asked if they knew who the "Ultimate Warrior" was, or who "Randy Savage" is, they would probably get it right. If you just asked a person who isn't into wrestling to name all the wrestlers they can off the top of their head, they might only be able to say the people you listed: Hogan,Andre, Rock and Austin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted January 15, 2005 I bet if you said "Macho Man" they say Randy Savage. But say Randy Savage...blank stares. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted January 15, 2005 Jim Ross looking forward to the match; apologizes in advance Taken from PWinsider which was taken from Byte This: Lloyd brings up Benoit facing off against Jericho this Monday. JR says he was talking to Lawler on Monday on the way back to the hotel after the show and said it’s gonna be a challenge calling the match. Lawler asked why and JR replied because you got two wrestlers named Chris. He says it limits you on how you identify people. He says in the heat of the moment, he guarantees he will miscall their names at least once on Monday night. He hopes he can catch himself, if not people will tell him about it. He apologizes for it in advance. The fun part is watching this two wrestle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted January 15, 2005 Blonde=Jericho Short Black receeding hair line=Benoit. Learn it JR. I'm sure if Steve Austin and Steve Williams worked a match; you'd tell the difference there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbacon 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 Alrght, i'll be there most likely to meet up with you goobers. That's right, even, you Barron. And where the hell is Curry these days anyway? Eh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbacon 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 Jim Ross looking forward to the match; apologizes in advance Taken from PWinsider which was taken from Byte This: Lloyd brings up Benoit facing off against Jericho this Monday. JR says he was talking to Lawler on Monday on the way back to the hotel after the show and said it’s gonna be a challenge calling the match. Lawler asked why and JR replied because you got two wrestlers named Chris. He says it limits you on how you identify people. He says in the heat of the moment, he guarantees he will miscall their names at least once on Monday night. He hopes he can catch himself, if not people will tell him about it. He apologizes for it in advance. The fun part is watching this two wrestle In a 5 minute no contest! OL OL OL oh man, ineed some water......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dazed Report post Posted January 15, 2005 What a pro. That's just so sad to read, that WWE even continue to have him at the top of the announcing foodchain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 I must be the only person here who thinks Benoit should be the heel if they end up feuding again. That was probably my favorite program of 2000. Plus, Benoit's been a face for what seems like forever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 I must be the only person here who thinks Benoit should be the heel if they end up feuding again. That was probably my favorite program of 2000. Plus, Benoit's been a face for what seems like forever. Nope. I do too. I'd rather watch an intense heel Benoit than the face, 'I like wrestling' face Benoit that we've got now. Because Benoit can cut the intense heel promos. The match itself...eh, I'm looking forward to it, but not the show. You can just tell the crowd are going to try and 'top' Summerslam. Which for some people is 'ha ha, they're rebels, they did the wave, awesome' but I'm kinda indifferent to. Not that they're not entitled to, I'm not one of 'that' bunch (they paid for the show, they should enjoy dammit). I just don't care about the shenanigans of the crowd. Especially one with a rep to uphold, which means there'll probably be more incidents, more often, with less actual reason. Toronto isn't really Benoit-territory. We like gimmicks. Like Eugene? Or JBL? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 If wildpegasus (or anybody for that matter), can give me the win / loss televised record of the Benoit / Jericho fued over the years, I'd appreciate it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 Like Eugene? Or JBL? Like Roadkill. Eugene getting boo'd still follows "Toronto likes to be different". And JBL isn't a gimmick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 So JR's excuse for Benoit/Jericho is that they have the same first name. For the Hardy's, it's they have the same last name. How about for Edge and Christian? He was even mis-calling them when they were teaming recently, and they have different hair cuts now! And heat of the moment? Nah. He'll call Benoit "Jericho" if Jericho isn't anywhere near the ring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2005 He called Jericho "Christian" I believe, on Raw last week. I marked out a bit. Meanwhile, Steve Austin and Steve Blackman/Stevie Ricards were never mistaken for each other Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted January 15, 2005 If wildpegasus (or anybody for that matter), can give me the win / loss televised record of the Benoit / Jericho fued over the years, I'd appreciate it. Don't trust this as 100% accurate. There could be a few mistakes here. Benoit vs Jericho 12/13/95 War 95 J Cup -- Benoit wins clean Benoit vs Jericho 9/15/96 WCW Fall Brawl -- Benoit wins clean Benoit vs Jericho 11/2/96 WCWSN -- A taped up Benoit wins Benoit vs Jericho 12/30/96 WCW Nitro -- Short but really fun match. Benoit wins Benoit vs Jericho 1/22/98 Thunder -- Jericho is heel for the first time, Benoit wins by submission Benoit vs Jericho 4/29/98 Pillman Tribute -- Jericho is heel. Pretty good match. Highlight is the ending stretch. Benoit wins Benoit vs Jericho 3/20/00 Raw -- Benoit wins Benoit vs Jericho 4/30/00 Backlash -- Stupid ending as Benoit wins by DQ and breaks his nose Benoti vs Jericho 5/4/00 Smackdown -- IC title change -- Short but real sweet match. Notable for Benoit's bleeding eye and Jericho's first victory over Benoit although Jericho may have used the belt so I don't know if it was completely clean Benoit vs Jericho 5/8/00 Raw -- Benoit gets the belt back in the main event of the evening. HHH is reff and McMahon calls for the bell early Benoit vs Jericho 5/21/00 Judgement Day Submission match -- I don't think as in almost all their matches that they got enough time here. Benoit wins by chocking out Jericho with the crossface as he puts his hands underneath the chin Benoit vs Jericho 5/28/00 Edmonton match that is on handheld -- Benoit wins via a long diving headbutt Benoit vs Jericho vs Holly vs Venis Sunday NIght Heat 6/11/00 -- Forget what happens here but I think Benoit and Jericho get pins or submissions at the same time but the reff counts Benoit's pin as the one that counts so he wins Benoit/Trish Stratus vs Jericho/Lita 7/27/00 Smackdown -- NOtable match in the feud because Jericho actually pins Benoit clean and as a result Benoit loses it backstage and slams a door down on Jericho's stomach causing Jericho to be out for a little bit Benoit vs Jericho 2/3 falls Summerslam -- Benoit wins by cheating. Their best ever chemistry in the ring yet. Benoit vs Jericho 10/5/00 Smackdown -- Very short match? but is intense if I'm remembering this one right. Benoit wins by DQ?? Benoit vs Jericho 1/4/01 Smackdown -- Jericho wins by DQ?? Benoit vs Jericho Rumble Ladder Match 1/21/01 -- Jericho wins clean in a fantastic match Benoit vs Jericho vs X-Pac vs Eddie Guerrero 2/25/01 -- Jericho pins X-Pac to keep the title in a very good match Benoit vs Jericho 4/9/01 Raw -- No Contest as I believe this is the match where Benoit and Jericho turn against the reffere who was Lord Steven Regal. No match really happens Benoit vs Austin vs Jericho King of the Ring 6/24/01 -- Austin pins Benoit to keep his title. And that was their last match together. So it's been about 3 1/2 years since they had a TV match against each other. Benoit vs Jericho did wrestle against each other in Japan back on Raw's rescent tour where WWE cameras and Fuji Tv cameras were both present but no footage of that has surfaced up. The 10/5/00 and the 1/4/01 Smackdown matches I'm forgetting. I could have sworn Jericho picked up a victory from a backslide counter of the crossface once in a singles match. Maybe it was a tag? Can someone help me out there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted January 15, 2005 Benoit has OWNED Jericho. Thats about near Hogan/Savage and Hogan/Flair levels there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
