Guest Loss Report post Posted January 13, 2005 Supposedly, feathers were ruffled when Hogan came in for Mania XIX because he and Vince got a main event payoff while HHH and Booker did not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 13, 2005 To be fair... Booker/Hunter was a 4 week program that was on the middle of the card. The main event (Angle/Brock) had been building up for 4 months. Which deserved the main event payoff? However, I don't understand why Vince get's a payoff... he owns the damn company. All he has to do is open the vault or close stock on something to get his money. Hogan... eh, the feud was being promoted heavily for 3 months, and felt like a Main Event to older fans. Thats the best excuse I can come up with (not very good). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted January 13, 2005 Oh, I can definitely understand the logic behind it as well. I think HHH/Booker could have been a reason to buy the PPV with better build, but I'd venture to say even the Jericho/HBK match drew more buys than HHH/Booker T. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 13, 2005 Not that it matters... Matches in order of importance to me.... Kurt Angle vs. Brock Lesnar: The match had money written all over it. Two highly successful amatuer wrestlers turned WWE superstars. Built up for months Hulk Hogan vs. Vince McMahon: The mark in me thought this was the best idea ever. The smark thought "This really had to happen? Blech..." Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho: Outside of the horrible finish (cough:HBKgoingoveragain:cough), this was built up as a passing of the torch match (which failed) and was pushed harder than any match on RAW. Booker T vs. Triple H: Thrown together match thanks to a Battle Royale. Hunter being racist doesn't = buyrates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted January 13, 2005 What about Austin/Rock? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 13, 2005 Oh yeah... hmm... I couldn't really get into that one. I knew Austin was at the end of his career and Rocky wad clearly going over. It was booked alright, probably on par with HHH/Booker T, but the only stand out part was the "Rock never beat Austin at a WM", which was a pretty lame excuse to me. I actually forgot that was even on Wrestlemania. (ashamed) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyn081 0 Report post Posted January 13, 2005 just gotta love those Slap Dash Matches thrown together in the last couple of months with no backstory and no point. Isnt this always the case nowadays? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jingus 0 Report post Posted January 13, 2005 I still stand behind my Hogan vs. New Jack idea, as that's a match that I would pay any amount of money to see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jester 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2005 Why argue? You are clearly bias. I could throw you figures about house show attendance, merchandise sales, buyrates during Hogans prime and you'll still blow a raspeberry at it. You clearly don't know me. I will never like Hogan regardless. That is a taste issue. But if he brought in money for the company during his last run and the numbers say it, it will have to concede that he's probably worth the investment. But do the numbers say it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Promoter 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2005 When I saw the title of the thread I immediately thought it was going to be about Rock/Hogan facing off against Hassan and Daviri(sp?)*although I got no clue if he can do anything worthwhile in the ring, but that hasn't stopped them before with the Mcmahons. IMO, that match can work storyline wise on many counts. The wwe would just be too dumb to the history to do it with their sitcom writers. Just have Hogan show up on raw one week to tell fans he will show up for the hall of fame for Mania and have Hassan attack him about being a "Real American" and representing "hollywood". The following week have The Rock show up in defense of Hogan due to their past and have Hassan go off on The Rock. You could even throw in Foley with their past. The problem comes with the jobbing, but they could get away with a cheap finish such as a DQ or countout. Hassan would still be made attacking Americana of Hulk Hogan. That is what's important for his character. The man will be a heat machine. As someone said Vince hasn't used Hogan properly as much as Hogan's business sense. I can see exactly why Hogan did not want to job to Brock Lesnar twice. I think Vince mis-used Hogan with Brock Lesnar. Hogan was just protecting Hulkamania at Madison Square Garden. I think Brock turning face against Hogan at Survivor Series in a passing of the torch kind of story would have got Brock to the super babyface position they wanted him in, but they gave the match away for free with little backstory on smackdown in the summer to build him up for The Rock(which Austin refused to do too). Anyways, we saw where Lesnar ended up and it was similar to Ultimate Warrior wasn't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 14, 2005 Warrior bombed as champion. Brock really didn't do anything to improve ratings, but they didn't go down either. You could say both ran way when the company needed them though. (Warrior was part of the most important storyline in 1992 and ran off days before the 1992 Survivor Series). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Promoter 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2005 Don't forget about holding Vince up for money and wanting a Hogan schedule in 1991 when he did not prove himself as Hogan did as champion in 1990. Yep, I say him and Brock are in the same boat in those terms. Warrior's title reign wasn't all his fault imo, but the direction of the company in general. Brock was hindered by his title being split amongst other things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RHR 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2005 Actually, I'm for the idea (that will never happen) of having Cena win the Rumble, and keeping the belt on JBL until Mania. Then, we can have them play an Austin/McMahon type thing...JBL's cronies can be The Corporation....it sets up JBL not wanting to take on the young punk, so Cena has to fight Angle and Taker at No Way Out to keep his shot...this is where HBK can come out to take out Angle (hell, have him take out Taker, too)...Cena wins under incredible odds...and you've got a good Smackdown ME for the title at Mania. Vince should pull the trigger on Cena now....to us...he's stale...but...the fans eat him up...plus....it helps the HBK/Angle ,er, angle... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 14, 2005 Excuse any rambling, I'm not feeling very well tonight... I see RHR stole my constant use of "...". Seriously... I'm no rocket scientist when it comes to smart ideas in wrestling (give Hogan the title!), but Cena now would make very little sense. Why push a new person to the WM Main Event without any build up, then have him win? In most cases like Cena, you want to milk the feud for as long as possible. Cena is a rising star and has potential... but WWE hasn't even hinted at making him World Champion. He hasn't even mentioned wanting a shot at the title. I know, we can get a Booker/HHH type feud, but Booker has at least been established as a Main Eventer in WCW. Cena is a fresh face and rushing him into the World Title picture (see also: Orton, Randy) is screaming for disastor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
