Possible Location for WrestleMania 22

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Funny, I seem to remember the buy-rate for WM 15 being a lot higher than WM 17 and it's not like it's that big of a difference in terms of availability/households when comparing to other generations. The ppv audience couldn't have expanded that much within 2 years such as WM 3's buy-rate which was whopping, but the availability was not the same(the argument is translating that buy-rate would have Hogan/Andre drawing over 1 million around WM 15-17). WM III got over 400,000 buys and it was only the 4th ppv to hit the air in wwf history at the time crushing the buy-rate of WM II, Survivor Series, and Wrestling Classic. This does not include the closed circuit television in arenas across the States.

 

In terms of money it's also arguable because the price of everything goes up. Anyways, this was about comparing WM 15 and WM 17 as the peak of the attitude era. Wrestling was HOTTER in 1999 than it was in 2001 as the company added another A show in smackdown on UPN. The company made its most money in that year. They could have easily made that amount of money with WM 15 if they had put it in a large venue. I tend to see WM 17 as the closing show to the attitude era although the numbers presented if true don't lie(but the ratings were sagging around the time AND the show had the boost of the raw/nitro simulcast and possible wcw vs. wwf aura behind it). It just adds more to my belief that WM 17 was the finale of that era and not the peak.

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Funny, I seem to remember the buy-rate for WM 15 being a lot higher than WM 17 and it's not like it's that big of a difference in terms of availability/households when comparing to other generations. The ppv audience couldn't have expanded that much within 2 years such as WM 3's buy-rate which was whopping, but the availability was not the same(the argument is translating that buy-rate would have Hogan/Andre drawing over 1 million around WM 15-17). WM III got over 400,000 buys and it was only the 4th ppv to hit the air in wwf history at the time crushing the buy-rate of WM II, Survivor Series, and Wrestling Classic. This does not include the closed circuit television in arenas across the States.

WM 15 got 800,000 buys, and WM X-7 got 950,000. The buy rate for WM 15 was 2.32, while it was 2.18 for WM X-7. While the number was higher for WM 15, WM X-7 was the one that got more buys.

 

Wrestling was HOTTER in 1999 than it was in 2001 as the company added another A show in smackdown on UPN. The company made its most money in that year.

 

It's best year was 2000-2001.

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Funny, I seem to remember the buy-rate for WM 15 being a lot higher than WM 17 and it's not like it's that big of a difference in terms of availability/households when comparing to other generations. The ppv audience couldn't have expanded that much within 2 years such as WM 3's buy-rate which was whopping, but the availability was not the same(the argument is translating that buy-rate would have Hogan/Andre drawing over 1 million around WM 15-17). WM III got over 400,000 buys and it was only the 4th ppv to hit the air in wwf history at the time crushing the buy-rate of WM II, Survivor Series, and Wrestling Classic. This does not include the closed circuit television in arenas across the States.

WM 15 got 800,000 buys, and WM X-7 got 950,000. The buy rate for WM 15 was 2.32, while it was 2.18 for WM X-7. While the number was higher for WM 15, WM X-7 was the one that got more buys.

 

Wrestling was HOTTER in 1999 than it was in 2001 as the company added another A show in smackdown on UPN. The company made its most money in that year.

 

It's best year was 2000-2001.

Points taken. Are those industry numbers or wwe numbers because I can clearly remember Vince Mcmahon saying in SI in 1991 that WM 4 had over 900,000 buys. Of course, he could have just been talking crap trying to sell WM 7(Monsoon kept on saying that it was the most watched Mania although it was impossible to know during THE BROADCAST and perhaps tried to save face moving from LA Coliseum and not getting the promoted "over 100,000"). I agree about 2000-2001 creatively, but financially is it so(especially 2001)?

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Points taken. Are those industry numbers or wwe numbers because I can clearly remember Vince Mcmahon saying in SI in 1991 that WM 4 had over 900,000 buys. Of course, he could have just been talking crap trying to sell WM 7(Monsoon kept on saying that it was the most watched Mania although it was impossible to know during THE BROADCAST and perhaps tried to save face moving from LA Coliseum and not getting the promoted "over 100,000"). I agree about 2000-2001 creatively, but financially is it so(especially 2001)?

Those are the real industry numbers. As for WM IV, it isn't even in the Top 10 of WWE buys. And yes, 2000-1 was WWE's biggest year financially.

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If they want to get snowed on, then they can book McMahon Stadium.

 

Seriously, it's a dumb idea. They'd have to go with the Saddledome or nothing.

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WM X-7 was the peak. It was the all-time record for total show revenue, with the live gate, merchandise, and PPV buys grossing $42.59 million dollars. It had the biggest gate in US history, at $3,530,904. And, depending on the number of buys WM XX got, it was either the largest or second largest amount of buys in WWF/E history.

That show sold on several factors which may or may not majorily concern the card or the people on it, but certainly aren't worth brushing off.

 

WM17 is tied with WMXX as the most over-advertised WM ever. WMXX came close by putting logos on every piece of merchandise and web page ever, but a lot of this stuff was just advertising to their own fan base. Mania 17 was marketed every single chance they got. Shit, the last thing that WCW viewers saw on the last Nitro was a promotion for Wrestlemania climaxing the most surreal moment in North American wrestling.

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WM 17 and XX did have much more marketing and promotion behind it, but for some reason(maybe memories) I still think WM 3 had a lot more mainstream press. I remember seeing Hogan slamming Andre on Entertainment Tonight(It took 5 years for anything Mania related appeared on the show and it was Ric Flair proclaiming Elizabeth was "mine before she was yours"), George Michael Sports Machine, all the newspapers in Toronto had the results in the sports pages(Hogan slam was the front page of Toronto Sun), and TSN SportsDesk. 17 and XX did not have anything close to this in terms of mainstream response. It's said that the wwe even gave permission to outlets to air the highlights of Mania XX and stations did not pick it up. Hell, even WM 4 had something similar to mainstream press that 17 and XX did not. I don't know it just seems Mania felt much bigger back then or it could just be that I was a little kid(although my fanaticism had me tape all of this stuff which is why I clearly remember). The big drop for Mania in terms of mainstream press came around WM V, but even that had tidbits here and there on mainstream news. Imagine if Vince and company put the same amount of money into those early Mania shows that they did with 17 and XX(which they clearly couldn't being a private company).

 

Seeing the Expos sign made me think about the other rumoured place of Montreal. It seems that Vince is up to something with Bret Hart imo. Why Calgary and Montreal? I don't know which crowd would be better because both at their best are pretty awesome.

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Seeing the Expos sign made me think about the other rumoured place of Montreal. It seems that Vince is up to something with Bret Hart imo. Why Calgary and Montreal? I don't know which crowd would be better because both at their best are pretty awesome.

Vince McMahon isn't 'up to anything' with Montreal or Calgary. It's just speculation from fanboys that won't let a sleeping dog lie.

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The Igloo needs to host it at least once before it gets demolished in a few years. It was supposed to host WM14, but Boston won out in the end. Pittsburgh's been one of the best cities for WWE, going back to the Sammartino era, they deserve it. Plus imagine the pop if Bruno was inducted into the HOF in his hometown.

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Plus imagine the pop if Bruno was inducted into the HOF in his hometown.

I doubt it. Not a lot of current fans even remembers who Bruno Sammartino was.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

Which was why i believe inducting him last year was better suited for Bruno. Bruno was a legendary staple of the lore that MSG carries with WWE and it's history there. It would actually feel tacky if he was inducted this year with the "Hollywood" theme they are going with. Last year's "theme" was the connection of the past with the present forging onto the future and starting anew.

 

I know that the location of the actual event really wouldn't make too much of a difference to the "meaning" but for some reason I feel bruno getting a large ovation @ MSG is something that should have happened and if it were to happen anywhere else such as Hollywood or the aforementioned town of Pittsburgh (being his hometown even); he wouldn't properly get the correct reaction.

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I can see it taking place in Florida in a normal arena.

 

Not every exciting, but probably nearer to the truth.  Or maybe Chicago.  When business is bad, they tend to stick to the main markets and the starved ones.  Florida and Chicago are sure bets for them.

Yey! I was right!

 

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Shadow Behind You, I think you make a good point about why Vince wanted Sammartino for the HOF last year. It is also why Bruno did not accept it. Bruno said that Vince insulted him by saying he would not be making money off him(he says he wants no Mcmahon to make money off him ever again) since MSG was already sold out. Bruno stated that Vince tried to kayfabe him and thought he did not know he would profit of the ppv audience and DVD sales(must admit this is questionable because he has been out of the limelight since the big boom of the 80's).

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I know that the location of the actual event really wouldn't make too much of a difference to the "meaning" but for some reason I feel bruno getting a large ovation @ MSG is something that should have happened and if it were to happen anywhere else such as Hollywood or the aforementioned town of Pittsburgh (being his hometown even); he wouldn't properly get the correct reaction.

He's still very well known in Pittsburgh, even by people who don't follow wrestling. I'd say his name recognition is right up there with Angle with the average person here.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

Shadow Behind You, I think you make a good point about why Vince wanted Sammartino for the HOF last year. It is also why Bruno did not accept it. Bruno said that Vince insulted him by saying he would not be making money off him(he says he wants no Mcmahon to make money off him ever again) since MSG was already sold out. Bruno stated that Vince tried to kayfabe him and thought he did not know he would profit of the ppv audience and DVD sales(must admit this is questionable because he has been out of the limelight since the big boom of the 80's).

Bruno doesn't want vince to make any money off him, and while no one really would buy the HOF DVD just for bruno, Bruno would have still felt his presence was putting money in Vince's pocket which it did as the dvd sold very well.

 

If vince felt so inclined, the man could release a 2 disc best of edition for Bruno and stuff it with Torrie Wilson going down on Dawn Marie in between each match and charge 49.99 for it and there would be nothing Bruno could legally do about it.