Updated CZW Only the Strong: Scarred for Life Card

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- The Blackout Vs. Super Dragon & Excalibur

 

- CZW Tag Team Champions Team Cash Vs. IWS Tag Team Champions The Flying Hurricanes

 

- CZW Junior Heavyweight Champion "The Next" Alex Shelley Vs. Sexxxy Eddy Vs. A Mystery Opponent

 

- The H8 Club Vs. All Money is Legal

 

- Beef Wellington & El Generico Vs. Ghost Shadow & Spyral

 

- Heretic Vs. "Pure Impact" Derek Frazier

 

- Tables & Ladder Match: Adam "The Ego" Flash Vs. Kaos

 

- Chris Hero & Claudio Castagnoli Vs. Jon Dahmer & D.J. Hyde

 

What is Hero's surprise for John Zandig?

 

Also:

 

- CZW World Champion The Messiah

- CZW Iron Man Champion B-Boy

- The H8 Club

Plus More

 

Visit www.CZWWrestling.com for more matches announced during the week, ticket information, previews of the show, CZW XPosed! w/ Team Cash, The H8 Club, and The Blackout, and much more.

[JoeDirt 0]

It might be smart if they announced matches for their world and ironman champions...

 

I mean come on, it's their 6th Anniversary show. They should have something big going on.

[Guest jobsquad]

also somebody on the czw board found a sitehttp://uvunderground.com/ which makes rather vague refrences to something happening in febuary.

 

my guess some sort of internet tv type dealie. as it is the in thing to do now with necw being the first and now japw jumping on the band wagon.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

H8 Club Vs. AMIL added.

[Guest jobsquad]

added

skayde Vs milanito colection at(the original milano's mini)

 

that schould be good due to skayde training milanito.

 

also they put up the calander of philly shows

[Guest jobsquad]

well forget amil Vs h8 club, huricanes Vs team cash & beef and generico Vs spyral and ghost shadow

 

changed

 

IWS tag title match

huricanes Vs amil Vs Ghost Shadow & Spyral Vs El Generico & Beef Wellington

 

czw tag titles

team cash Vs gage & pain

 

added

 

double title match IWS heavyweight Vs CZW ironman title

frankie the mobster Vs b-boy

[JoeDirt 0]

CZW Tag Title Match: Team Ca$h vs H8 Club

 

- Title vs. Title: B-Boy vs. Frankie the Mobster

 

- CZW Junior Heavyweight title match: Alex Shelley vs. Sexxxy Eddy vs. ????????????

 

- IWS Tag Team Title match: Flying Hurricanes vs. All Money Is Legal vs. Ghost Shadow & Spyral vs. Generico & Beef Wellington

 

- Skayde vs Milanito Collection AT

 

- Super Dragon/Excalibur vs. BLK OUT

 

- Hero/Claudio vs. Dahmer/Hyde

 

- Derek Frazier vs. Heretic

 

- Kaos vs. Adam Flash (TLC match)

[PsychoDriver 0]

Hmm..... looks like they changed the card for the better. Glad to see they are actually using the New H8 Club team in a major match.

 

 

Just wish the CZW booking team would wake up and do a Super Dragon Vs. Kevin Steen angle..... and make it so 4 freaking guys don't hold the tag titles.

[LucharesuFan619 0]

CZW is turning into a fucking spot show. That's really been the impression I'm getting from the last few shows of their's I've seen. I'll admit to not being a fan of they're bringing in all the ROH and IWA-MS guys (Shelley, Strong, Lethal, etc.), but at least thos guys bought wrestling skills. Javi Air, James Newblood, Heretic, Spyral, Ghost Shadow, AMIL, and Ruckus are great spot workers, but nothing more. Chris Cash has and always will suck, H8 Club's overness is going down the drain thanks to horrible booking, the one good wrestler they have there every show (Chris Hero) is being wasted worse than anyone could've predicted, Kaos' overness (he was over crazy for his first two shows) has been killed due to shitty booking, and there's so many IWS guys it's turning into a fucking IWS show. The only good thing these days is Dragon & Excalibur and the Team Cash vs. Blackout feud. Nothing else appeals to me these days in CZW. Why must Zandig screw up so badly a roster as good as the one he has? He needs to bring back Trent, Johnny, and Rebel ASAP.

 

Frankie the Mobster, Sexxxy Eddy, Kevin Steen, Excess69, Flying Hurricanes, Beef Wellington, El Generico...where's the CZW?

 

I will admit to digging CKNY's heelwork. They were indeed 2004 TAG TEAM OF THE YEAR~! IMO, although by default more than anything due to CZW's lackluster tag team division.

 

PS - and B-Boy's also being wasted.

[Guest SoCalTF]

As much as I don't like CZW I'm going to have to defend them here:

 

H8 Club's overness is going down the drain thanks to horrible booking

 

It's not the booking, it's the fact that they're terrible workers.

 

the one good wrestler they have there every show (Chris Hero) is being wasted worse than anyone could've predicted

 

Hero is the most over preformer on the roster, he's had a fantastic Ironman Title Run, has become CZW's top heel star, he's in an interesting storyline, and he's not the one good wrestler on CZW's roster.

 

Kaos' overness (he was over crazy for his first two shows) has been killed due to shitty booking

 

1. He wasn't over

2. His matches have been terrible and hasn't had a good match since 2003.

3. He was never over aside from 2 or 3 people on the CZWFans board.

 

and there's so many IWS guys it's turning into a fucking IWS show

 

And there are plenty of ROH, IWA-MS, PWG, JAPW, and CHIKARA guys on the roster. It's not turning into the IWS show, CZW is showcasing many different wrestlers that fans want to see.

 

He needs to bring back Trent, Johnny, and Rebel ASAP.

 

No he doesn't. They where terrible wrestlers. Johnny and Trent cared more about themselves and don't care about CZW. Rebel was, and always will be a shitty wrestler.

 

They were indeed 2004 TAG TEAM OF THE YEAR~! IMO, although by default more than anything due to CZW's lackluster tag team division.

 

BLK Out was a better tag team in 2004.

 

and B-Boy's also being wasted.

 

He's main eventing, he has a title, and has had a monster push in 2004.

[Cuban Linx 0]

The show on paper is certainly an improvement over the Gen Z show in January at least, this is the sort of show they should have followed up on COD6 with.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Lucharesu, this upcoming CZW show looks much better than any single XPW card in history, yet you still continue to devote your energy to writing about THAT.

 

So spread your idiotic bashing about CZW elsewhere, or go back to writing about a dead federation that 7 people care about.

 

Quote: >>>He needs to bring back Trent, Johnny, and Rebel ASAP.

 

Now I see why.

 

Forget I even wasted my breath.

[Guest jobsquad]

in case anybody is intrested in dutt's results in zero-one max

 

from the pictures from 1/23 it looks like they had him drop the american monkey gimmick and they gave him new tights.

 

January 23rd

Testuhito Takaiwa

Ikuto Hidaka

o Minoru Fujita

vs.

Spanky

Super Crazy

Sonjay Dutt x

(11:47 --> facebuster)

 

January 29th

o Masato Tanaka

Ikuto Hidaka

vs.

Juventud Guerrera

Sonjay Dutt x

(12:11 --> Complete Dust)

 

January 31st

o Spanky

Yoshihito Sasaki

vs.

Juventud Guerrera

Sonjay Dutt x

17:27 --> Japanese leg lock

[LucharesuFan619 0]

H8 Club: So what? They've been the most over guys in the company for four years. Now they're being booked against IWS comedians and AMIL.

 

Hero: pairing him with Zandig is a HORRIBLE idea.

 

Kaos: the pop he got for his debut was huge, and there were TONS of Kaos fans and "Kaos" signs for his match vs. Messiah.

 

And there are plenty of ROH, IWA-MS, PWG, JAPW, and CHIKARA guys on the roster. It's not turning into the IWS show, CZW is showcasing many different wrestlers that fans want to see.

 

Ya, like three or four guys from each of those feds. With IWS, they have seven or eight. That's way overkill.

 

They where terrible wrestlers. Johnny and Trent cared more about themselves and don't care about CZW.

 

That's why they were two of the most over guys in CZW history. It wasn't that they didn't care about CZW. It was that CZW - specifically John Zandig - didn't care for them. If he gave a shit about him, he would've paid Johnny more than $50 for helping produce one of the most violent matches in wrestling history at Unf'nbelievable.

 

Rebel was, and always will be a shitty wrestler.

 

And he will also be the guy who got Nate Hatred into CZW, the guy who allowed them to run at Viking Hall, and the guy who convinced countless guys to give Zandig another chance after he treated them like pieces of shit. Rebel is a great businessman and CZW lost a lot when they lost him.

 

BLK Out was a better tag team in 2004.

 

I'm willing to concede here. I still enjoyed CKNY more, but Blackout was good, too.

 

He's main eventing, he has a title, and has had a monster push in 2004.

 

And now he's being booked against an IWS debutee. B-Boy has sunk rather than risen in the past year. He used to be one of the most over guys on the roster. He's still an attraction, but not nearly as over as he used to be.

 

Lucharesu, this upcoming CZW show looks much better than any single XPW card in history

 

Not by a long shot.

 

So spread your idiotic bashing about CZW elsewhere, or go back to writing about a dead federation that 7 people care about.

 

Judging by the reaction I've received, a lot more people care about it than 7.

 

Now I see why.

 

Yeah, you do see why - Trent and Johnny brought the ladies and Rebel brought the contacts AND the money. Without Rebel, Zandig is a manic depressent with as much business savy as a coked up Paul Heyman.

 

Forget I even wasted my breath.

[LucharesuFan619 0]

So, now they even added Shelley vs. Eddy vs. Quack vs. Arsenal. That's ANOTHER IWS guy. And you're telling me that's not overkill? Get real.

[PsychoDriver 0]

So, now they even added Shelley vs. Eddy vs. Quack vs. Arsenal. That's ANOTHER IWS guy. And you're telling me that's not overkill? Get real.

I don't see why you should complain. The IWS guys are often the highlight of the whole show. Why fault CZW for sticking with something that's clearly working?

 

The World title scene is CZW's real problem.... hopefully that changes here.

[Guest SoCalTF]

H8 Club: So what? They've been the most over guys in the company for four years. Now they're being booked against IWS comedians and AMIL.

 

The reason why they're booked against thoughs guys is so that they're put over as monsters and to make them look like badasses. And those IWS "comedians" are over, more over then the H8 Club. They should be lucky they had a match with the IWS boys.

 

Hero: pairing him with Zandig is a HORRIBLE idea.

 

The angle has barely begun, and you most likely don't know what is going on. Hero having to earn back his spot and Zandig putting over the lesser known guys and having them get over because of Hero is a good thing. He hasn't wrestled Zandig, so don't bitch.

 

Kaos: the pop he got for his debut was huge, and there were TONS of Kaos fans and "Kaos" signs for his match vs. Messiah.

 

Wrong. I have the tapes, and I talk to people who go to shows. His pop was mainly from a few people and there wheren't many signs at all. I'll take the words of people who went and my eyes from seeing the video tape over yours.

 

Ya, like three or four guys from each of those feds. With IWS, they have seven or eight. That's way overkill.

 

CZW has used over 12 CHIKARA guys before and still do. It's not an overkill if the fans love the IWS guys. Shit, how about I bitch about XPW using 384626 ECW guys month after month? Or washed up WCW acts?

 

That's why they were two of the most over guys in CZW history.

 

Wifebeater, Nick Mondo, Lobo, Zandig, where all more over then those clowns.

 

It wasn't that they didn't care about CZW. It was that CZW - specifically John Zandig - didn't care for them.

 

Really? Who gave Trent Acid his main event spot? Who made The Backseats multible tag team title runs and all that? Who left CZW when things didn't go his way? Exactly.

 

If he gave a shit about him, he would've paid Johnny more than $50 for helping produce one of the most violent matches in wrestling history at Unf'nbelievable.

 

Johnny should thank God he even gets that kind of pay on the indys. His matches are always the shits. Plus Zandig doesn't have deep pockets to pay 38962347829 dollars to some shitty worker more money then he's worth.

 

And he will also be the guy who got Nate Hatred into CZW

 

That's not a good thing.

 

the guy who allowed them to run at Viking Hall

 

The place where they lost most of their fanbase and identity. Zandig could of found someone else with a license to run there he didn't really need Rebel.

 

and the guy who convinced countless guys to give Zandig another chance after he treated them like pieces of shit.

 

Name them please. Chances are they're shitty workers with shitty attitudes. From what I heard from guys who work for Zandig(and not a bunch of douchebags who claim to have gotten screwed by Zandig when he made them) Zandig is a good guy and always stands by his workers unless that worker was an egomaniac(I.E. Rebel, Acid, Kashmere). Oh well, Zandig has better contacts now and his roster is better now.

 

Rebel is a great businessman and CZW lost a lot when they lost him.

 

Rebel is a scumbag peice of shit who makes promotions overpay him and forces promotions to book him and put him over on their shows only because he has a promoter's license.

 

And now he's being booked against an IWS debutee. B-Boy has sunk rather than risen in the past year. He used to be one of the most over guys on the roster. He's still an attraction, but not nearly as over as he used to be.

 

You don't watch CZW I bet. He's gotten huge pops and everyone loves him. If anything, the IWS guy is also very over and the match is a Title for Title match, an international title also. I don't see how B-Boy has sunk when he won 2 tournaments, a title, and is facing big name stars and international ones and getting flown out to Italy.

 

Without Rebel, Zandig is a manic depressent with as much business savy as a coked up Paul Heyman.

 

Sorry, he's not Rob Black.

[Guest Sturgis]

They where terrible wrestlers. Johnny and Trent cared more about themselves and don't care about CZW.

 

That's why they were two of the most over guys in CZW history. It wasn't that they didn't care about CZW. It was that CZW - specifically John Zandig - didn't care for them. If he gave a shit about him, he would've paid Johnny more than $50 for helping produce one of the most violent matches in wrestling history at Unf'nbelievable.

Did you even SEE UnF'Nbelivable? Kashmere barley did shit in that match. And what he did do is what any backyard wrestler in the United States did at that time FOR FREE. He should thank his lucky stars and kiss the ground Zandig walks on for getting $50 on the INDEPENDENT CIRCUT. CZW isn't funded by a porno company you know(not that there's anything wrong with that).

[LucharesuFan619 0]

The reason why they're booked against thoughs guys is so that they're put over as monsters and to make them look like badasses. And those IWS "comedians" are over, more over then the H8 Club. They should be lucky they had a match with the IWS boys.

 

They've already put The H8 Club over small guys for four whole years - the Lost Boyz, The Briscoes, the Backseat Boyz, and more. CZW's horrible booking was exemplified by them turning Gage at COD6 and ending the Old H8 Club vs. new H8 Club storyline after 2 or something months.

 

Nobody gives a shit what you think about The H8 Club. I'll go by the reaction of the hundreds of people who pop when "Voodoo" hits the loud speakers over some guy on the Internet claiming that Nick Gage and Nate Hatred aren't good for the CZW product.

 

Wrong. I have the tapes, and I talk to people who go to shows. His pop was mainly from a few people and there wheren't many signs at all. I'll take the words of people who went and my eyes from seeing the video tape over yours.

 

I have the tapes, too. Kaos signs could easily be seen in the crowd and the pops he got the first two shows were huge. That's a fact. Judging by your assessment that The H8 Club are useless, you DON'T have any CZW tapes, so your word means nothing.

 

CZW has used over 12 CHIKARA guys before and still do. It's not an overkill if the fans love the IWS guys. Shit, how about I bitch about XPW using 384626 ECW guys month after month? Or washed up WCW acts?

 

The 384626 ECW guys were no longer ECW guys. They all needed work. XPW gave them that. WCW was dead, too. There's nothing to bitch about when guys are trying to get wrestling gigs after their previous gigs fell through. They never had 12 CHIKARA guys on one show. They do have 6, 7, 8 IWS guys on a show. That is not a CZW show. That is an IWS/CZW show. CHIKARA and IWS are active promotions.

 

I take back what I said about The Backseat Boyz being two of the most over guys in CZW history. Trent Acid was one of the most over guys in CZW history, but Kashmere wasn't. Acid was over like a motherfucker in 2003-2004. Did you see the ovation he got at Overdrive during the confrontation with Teddy Hart. Nobody gives more of a shit about Zandig than Acid. Acid is WAY more over than Zandig and always has been.

 

Really? Who gave Trent Acid his main event spot?

 

Frank Iadevaia, when he began booking a 16 year old Trent Acid while he was still in high school, and giving him a chance when every other promoter out there was saying that you're too small.

 

Who made The Backseats multible tag team title runs and all that?

 

The CZW fans. CZW didn't even PAIR UP Acid & Kashmere initially. They were booking Kashmere and fucking ROBBY MIRENO as a team. That's asinine. When Acid and Kashmere were given the chance to team up, they went FAR AND BEYODN the call. They started as jobbers and their promos, Acid's workrate, their charisma, and their teamwork was high and away beyond everyone else on every show. They made themselves. Zandig didn't.

 

Who left CZW when things didn't go his way? Exactly.

 

They left CZW when Zandig started booking untrained students over them. They left CZW when Zandig started letting his personal depression problems affect his business. They left CZW when Zandig started saying "Fuck the TV show" and airing "Fake You TV"'s with horribly lazy editing jobs. They left CZW when Zandig started lying to his boys. They left CZW when Zandig started limiting where they could and could not work. They left CZW when Zandig started acting snobbish to them and everyone else on the CZW roster.

 

Yeah, I guess you could say they left CZW when things didn't go their way. Your "point" is bullshit.

 

The place where they lost most of their fanbase and identity. Zandig could of found someone else with a license to run there he didn't really need Rebel.

 

Don't you dare blame Rockin Rebel for CZW's shitty product ever since coming to Viking Hall. That's fucking bullshit and you know it. The only people with booking power in that company are Zandig. The storylines are his decision; he fucked up the Viking Hall run with the help of nobody else.

 

Name them please.

 

With pleasure - Derek Frazier, Nick Berk, Danny Rose, Adam Flash, Ric Blade, Greg Matthews, Z-Barr, and many others. If you're too ignorant to notice, that's all of Rebel's Army and some top midcard guys.

 

Zandig is a good guy and always stands by his workers unless that worker was an egomaniac

 

According to virtually everyone in the business, Rebel is one of the most humble, least egotistical performers on the indy circuit. Your pairing him in with Acid and Kashmere's attitudes is done solely out of ignorance because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You haven't met Rebel. You don't know him. You don't know him like Chris Hamrick, Blue Meanie, Justin Credible, Steve Corino, and the many, MANY others who've put him over as one of the nicest guys in the business know him.

 

Here's John Zandig, a guy who followed Paul Heyman around for years and demanded that he get a shot in ECW and then when he realized he wasn't a good worker, he made his own promotion.

 

Your claim of being a CZW fan who knows about and keeps up with the product is hilarious because you obviously don't know a damn thing about it.

[Guest Joe_G]

Don't you dare blame Rockin Rebel for CZW's shitty product ever since coming to Viking Hall. That's fucking bullshit and you know it.

 

Haha angry Barber rules.

 

What's the over/under on pages this thread reaches with these two going back and forth? Ten? Fifteen?

[r4g 0]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT.

 

 

But anyway, this card looks ehhh. I get that the IWS guys will drive themselves down and work cheap, but it's starting to get ridiculous. Some of these guys are good, others are ok, but ALL get knobslobbed by the internet WAYYYYY too much, with the exception of Generico.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Lucharesu...

 

So you don't want The H8 Club "squashing juniors" ?

 

And they've "done that for four years"....

 

Yet there is a totally NEW H8 Club now, as you acknowledged.

 

So they haven't been doing it for four years.

 

So your point is invalid.

 

Also, since you know nothing of the inner workings of CZW, you shouldn't speak as if you do. Thank you.

 

The show tomorrow will be stupendous.

 

Perhaps on CZW XPosed I'll drop you a middle finger.

[ulfistgut 0]

I love how Barber takes the word of angry ex-CZW workers as gospel.

 

'Rebel should be brought back 'cos he's my internet friend - he gave me an interview see~!'

 

Jawn. Some of the points you make are accurate. Most are based on conjecture and just plain weird arguing - sure Kaos got a good pop on the first couple of shows - these were before he started wrestling (the run in and start of Messiah match). Look at the pops on his recent matches and tell me he's worth whatever they're paying to keep him going.

[LucharesuFan619 0]

I know more about the inner workings of CZW than you do, that's for sure. I've done interviews with Rebel. Fuck, I've talked to John Zandig a number of times. Tell me you've done the same. You haven't. SoCalTF can bring up my XPW obsession all he wants, but the facts speak for themselves - I know what I'm talking about.

 

ultfistgut - I interviewed Rebel a year before he was gone from CZW.

[Guest SoCalTF]

I'm not going to reply to everyline because you really come off as delusional, but I have a few points to make:

 

1. I only brought up XPW once, and Rob Black once in this thread

2. I don't even know much about you aside from what others told me, and they all have told me you're a bitter XPW fan who would always complain about CZW during the Philly wars. I only post here and SCU FYI.

3. I own all CZW shows on tape and DVD. Shows from 2000 till now.

4. You can talk to Rebel all you want, but getting information from him and asking about CZW wont give you a good idea of what really goes on. Lots of wrestlers like to spin shit all they want. [insider] I know plenty of current wrestlers in the CZW lockerrom and have spoken to them in person and they all tell me Zandig pays well and that he's a great guy and the ones who have encountered Rebel all say he's a bitter old man who only gets booked on shows because he has a peice of paper(I wont name drop anyone because I'm not that kind of person and I feel ashamed of bringing up knowning wrestlers).

5. Chances are when you talked to Zandig you kissed his ass the whole time.

[LucharesuFan619 0]

I'm not going to reply to everyline because you really come off as delusional

 

TRANSLATION: People do bring up very valid points about your XPW bias, but here you've made a lot of valid points about CZW and I have no way of contradicting them.

 

There's no need for hypocrites around here. Don't go telling me I get secondhand info on CZW and then tell me that all you know about me is "from what others told me." That's bullshit. And also, there's no point in holding stuff that happened three years ago against me.

 

I own all CZW shows on tape and DVD. Shows from 2000 till now.

 

Then start wawtching them more closely and you'll see that the fans have absolutely loved The H8 Club for the past three years.

 

You can talk to Rebel all you want, but getting information from him and asking about CZW wont give you a good idea of what really goes on.

 

It will give me a MUCH better idea of what's going on than your talking to current midcard guys who work there once a month, considering Rebel did all the business deals, interacted with Zandig on a daily - rather than monthly (like the guys you probably talk to) - basis, and had been with CZW for four - rather than six months or a year - years, like the guys you proabbly talk to.

 

I know plenty of current wrestlers in the CZW lockerrom and have spoken to them in person and they all tell me Zandig pays well and that he's a great guy and the ones who have encountered Rebel all say he's a bitter old man who only gets booked on shows because he has a peice of paper(I wont name drop anyone because I'm not that kind of person and I feel ashamed of bringing up knowning wrestlers).

 

Why don't you go ask the aforementioned veterans I named who've been in the business for years and who've seen the politics firsthand and can thereby relate to Rebel's frustration. Go ask Chris Hamrick, Blue Meanie, Justin Credible, Steve Corino, and the other guys who've done something worth a shit in this business about Rebel and they'll all tell you he's a stand-up guy in a business full of arrogant assholes. You don't know what you're talking about when you call Rebel arrogant. I'm not bothering with the Acid/Kashmere arrogance statements because I'm not concerned with them and I've never talked to them.

[Guest SoCalTF]

Ugh, why do I even bother.

 

TRANSLATION: People do bring up very valid points about your XPW bias, but here you've made a lot of valid points about CZW and I have no way of contradicting them.

 

It's pretty hard to debate with someone who thinks their 2nd Hand bias information is legit fact all because disgrunteld workers tell them it's a fact.

 

There's no need for hypocrites around here.

 

Yet you post here.

 

Don't go telling me I get secondhand info on CZW and then tell me that all you know about me is "from what others told me." That's bullshit.

 

You're information is second. So is mine. But the main difference is I get my information from people who have nothing to gain from CZW looking bad on the internet, which is the main agenda the people you get your BS information have on their mind.

 

And also, there's no point in holding stuff that happened three years ago against me.

 

I never brought up that shit until you did.

 

Then start wawtching them more closely and you'll see that the fans have absolutely loved The H8 Club for the past three years.

 

Ok, I can admit they where loved, for about 3 years. Fans have become tired of the H8 Club this year and are barely over. Well, we can't say that since The H8 Club is now a different team.

 

It will give me a MUCH better idea of what's going on than your talking to current midcard guys who work there once a month

 

Nope. The people who I talk to have been really involved in CZW and where more then just "midcard guys". I've talked to people who are pretty big names and are in CZW month after month and people who do behind the scenes stuff for CZW. I'll take their words over some kid on the internet who believes anything a pissy wrestler tells them.

 

considering Rebel did all the business deals, interacted with Zandig on a daily - rather than monthly (like the guys you probably talk to) - basis, and had been with CZW for four - rather than six months or a year - years, like the guys you proabbly talk to.

 

You should add bitter jaded douche who didn't get away and took his ball home. And I would like to point out something:

 

Here's John Zandig, a guy who followed Paul Heyman around for years and demanded that he get a shot in ECW and then when he realized he wasn't a good worker, he made his own promotion.

 

That same quote can be used to describe Rockin Rebel since the only times he gets booked on shows is when someone needs his license.

 

Go ask Chris Hamrick, Blue Meanie, Justin Credible, Steve Corino, and the other guys who've done something worth a shit in this business about Rebel and they'll all tell you he's a stand-up guy in a business full of arrogant assholes.

 

How many converstions have you had with those guys? Please don't say some dumb "I've talked to those guys so many times and we have long conversations" because I doubt ECW veterans would want to spend their time giving insider info to a kid on the internet.

 

You don't know what you're talking about when you call Rebel arrogant.

 

I do know what I'm talking about. I've talked to people and for years have heard the same things about how Rebel is an asshole when he doesn't get his way.

 

Whoa, this thread is way off topic. Anyways, this show looks pretty good. I'm looking forward to BLK Out vs. SBS. Anyone else want to talk about this show?

[LucharesuFan619 0]

It's pretty hard to debate with someone who thinks their 2nd Hand bias information is legit fact all because disgrunteld workers tell them it's a fact.

 

This doesn't seem to be getting through you - Rebel was WITH the company when I interviewed him. And he stayed with the company for almost a year. If he was disgruntled, there was a REASON for his disgruntlement.

 

Yet you post here.

 

And you think you said, "I don't even know much about you aside from what others told me, and they all have told me you're a bitter XPW fan who would always complain about CZW during the Philly wars." Self-admittedly, you don't know anything about me, yet you're calling me a hypocrite. Get real.

 

You're information is second. So is mine. But the main difference is I get my information from people who have nothing to gain from CZW looking bad on the internet, which is the main agenda the people you get your BS information have on their mind.

 

My info is firsthand when it comes to the Rebel info. The Backseats info is secondhand.

 

But the main difference is I get my information from people who have nothing to gain from CZW looking bad on the internet, which is the main agenda the people you get your BS information have on their mind.

 

They have something to gain from making CZW look good on the Internet - namely, continuing to get booked by Zandig. If they bash him, they're not exactly going to get booked by him, and for some guys he's one of their few bookings.

 

I never brought up that shit until you did.

 

Shit, how about I bitch about XPW using 384626 ECW guys month after month? Or washed up WCW acts?

 

Now keep on making stuff up and we'll get somewhere. You've lost all credibility with me. At least the little credibility I DO have with people, I make sure to KEEP.

 

Ok, I can admit they where loved, for about 3 years. Fans have become tired of the H8 Club this year and are barely over.

 

They still get ENORMOUS pops when they come out. Bigger pops than most of the wrestlers. They're assuredly still quite over.

 

I've talked to people who are pretty big names and are in CZW month after month and people who do behind the scenes stuff for CZW.

 

You said you talked to wrestlers. Now you say behind-the-scenes people. None of the wrestlers do major behind-the-scenes stuff. Coupled with your insistence that you didn't bring up my XPW bias when in fact you did, I have trouble believing you here.

 

You should add bitter jaded douche who didn't get away and took his ball home.

 

WOW. Talk about completely disregarding somebody's point. If your delusion wasn't obvious before, it sure is now.

 

How many converstions have you had with those guys?

 

It's called "online interviews." You know...Trash Talking Radio, The Interactive Interview, Between The Ropes, Xtreme Mayhem Radio, and textual interviews by ChicagoWrestling.com, DOI, WrestlingObserver.com, and other places. I don't have talked to these guys. When they constantly put over Rebel in interviews after knowing him for over 10 years, their words become pretty damn credible, unlike some CZW kool aid drinker who is siding against Rebel because it's the cool thing to do.

 

I do know what I'm talking about. I've talked to people and for years have heard the same things about how Rebel is an asshole when he doesn't get his way.

 

Maybe you should try to contact the guys I mentioned and see what they say. I could gladly hook you up with Blue Meanie, Hamrick, and Corino's contact info and could connect you with somebody who could in turn hook you up with Credible. I assure you that all four of the guys would be glad to talk to you, even though you're just a fan, because you're asking about somebody who's a dear friend to all of them. But you don't have any intention to follow through with this because you're not willing to be accountable for what you say, because it's gotta be the gospel.

 

Don't make me out as having started this thing. I posted my OPINIONS on the CZW card and you came back and dissected EVERYTHING I wrote, sentence-for-sentence. You began this - I'm just defending my points. And somebody can come into this thread and bring up my XPW bias like you have and say that I'm not credible, but the fact is I've been completely reasonable in what I've said here.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Less of the pissing contest, more of the talking about the CZW card.

[Guest netslob]

but the pissing contest is so much more entertaining.

 

 

 

i'm not saying that CZW ISN'T entertaining, so don't jump all over me.