Jose Canseco Book

[MikeJordan23 0]

This in on the cover of today's Daily News here in NY and he names

 

Jason Giambi

Mark Mcguire

Ivan Rodriguez

Rafael Palmeiro

Juan Gonzalez

 

as all users of the drug

 

None that surprising aside from Ivan

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

This in on the cover of today's Daily News here in NY and he names

 

Jason Giambi

Mark Mcguire

Ivan Rodriguez

Rafael Palmeiro

Juan Gonzalez

 

as all users of the drug

 

None that surprising aside from Ivan

Just linked the article to my post above...

[Youth N Asia 0]

Consider the source though. I dunno about Pudge, but the others are ones most people would suspect anyway.

[MikeJordan23 0]

Consider the source though. I dunno about Pudge, but the others are ones most people would suspect anyway.

True but I don't see the reason to lie?!

[Guest Smues]

Consider the source though. I dunno about Pudge, but the others are ones most people would suspect anyway.

True but I don't see the reason to lie?!

The reason to lie I would think would be to sell the book.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Not to judge who was or wasn't on the juice, but you have to love a guy who will pick a time when steroid use is in the news to drop a book outing his former teammates. Books that expose the inner workings of an MLB clubhouse, such as Moneyball and Jim Bouton's Ball Four, tend to inspire outrage from those on the inside. If Jose Canseco had any chance whatsoever at the Hall, this book kills it.

[Bored 0]

Whoops didn't see this thread, should probably combine them.

 

Remember Jose originally couldn't find anyone to publish this book so I'm sure he's added some embellishments that make the book a bit jucier so it would get published. The man really doesn't have a lot of credibility.

[KingPK 0]

Can't I just delete them both so we don't have to discuss this knucklehead? No? Damn.

 

I don't have 4 hours to wait for the topics to merge (I've got a Super Bowl party to go to), so I'll just close the other one.

[MikeJordan23 0]

Whoops didn't see this thread, should probably combine them.

 

Remember Jose originally couldn't find anyone to publish this book so I'm sure he's added some embellishments that make the book a bit jucier so it would get published. The man really doesn't have a lot of credibility.

Can't he get sued for out right lying like that? I'd think he'd try to avoid that if there was no validity to his accusations. I mean he'd have to send all the book's profits to his lawyers and the people he wrongly accused.

 

I believe Mark Mcguire was on roids, and I'm a Cardinals fan.

[Guest LooneyTune]

If everyone who lied in non-fictional books got sued, there would be no books left on shelves to read.

[teke184 0]

Not to judge who was or wasn't on the juice, but you have to love a guy who will pick a time when steroid use is in the news to drop a book outing his former teammates. Books that expose the inner workings of an MLB clubhouse, such as Moneyball and Jim Bouton's Ball Four, tend to inspire outrage from those on the inside. If Jose Canseco had any chance whatsoever at the Hall, this book kills it.

In all fairness to Canseco, he and Ken Caminiti WERE two of the guys who broke the silence on steroids and baseball before it became such a huge story.

 

However, Caminiti wasn't trying to cash in on it.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Not to judge who was or wasn't on the juice, but you have to love a guy who will pick a time when steroid use is in the news to drop a book outing his former teammates.  Books that expose the inner workings of an MLB clubhouse, such as Moneyball and Jim Bouton's Ball Four, tend to inspire outrage from those on the inside.  If Jose Canseco had any chance whatsoever at the Hall, this book kills it.

In all fairness to Canseco, he and Ken Caminiti WERE two of the guys who broke the silence on steroids and baseball before it became such a huge story.

 

However, Caminiti wasn't trying to cash in on it.

True, but Canseco from the start explicitly threatened that he would name names. You know that isn't going to sit well.

[Styles 0]

Palmeiro is really questionable. He's never had the "roided physique" and he's been about the same size his whole career. He doesn't seem like the type that does them. And I don't think Jose Canseco is exactly the source to be trusting...

[Vern Gagne 0]

Why would McGwire be stupid enough to allow Canseco to inject a needle in his ass? I wouldn't trust him to put gas in my car.

[MikeJordan23 0]

Palmeiro is really questionable. He's never had the "roided physique" and he's been about the same size his whole career. He doesn't seem like the type that does them. And I don't think Jose Canseco is exactly the source to be trusting...

Jake the Snake took steroids

[DerangedHermit 0]

A quote from an article

The longtime Oakland star, who made a brief appearance with the Yankees in 2000, claims he introduced steroids to the game and injected fellow Bash Brother Mark McGwire in the rear end numerous times in clubhouse bathroom stalls.

 

I don't want to see "Jose Canseco" and "injected fellow Bash Brother Mark McGwire in the rear end numerous times" in the same sentence ever again. I didn't know McGwire was a catcher.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Everything about this story sounds very very gay.

[JoeDirt 0]

Got this off the CZWFans board:

 

"A few names were already leaked that Canseco says he helped or saw inject steroids. Well apparently there are many more in the book as well. On ESPN Radio this morning Mike Greenberg said he heard the rumors of a few names and one of them is "as big, if not a bigger name than McGwire". He went on to say that he is not going to say the name just in case the rumors are false and that name isn't in the book.

 

But who could it be? Who was "bigger than McGwire" during that time. And it isn't Barry Bonds."

 

Clemens, maybe?

[Precious Roy 0]

Yeah, Clemens is in the "bigger than Bonds" category, and Canseco did play two years with him in Boston, so I'd say that's a good guess.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Ken Caminetti

[bob_barron 0]

Me: Hey Jose- I have a needle with steroids- can I inject you with it?

Jose: Sure man no problem.

::cue me injecting Jose with the needle::

Ashton Kutcher: Hey Jose- that needle was actually infected with AIDS. You just got PUNKED! I'M ASHTON KUTCHER- I'M AWESOME

[Matt Young 0]

"Cansecos Book Injects New Life Into Baseball Steroid Controversy"

 

The headlines practically write themselves.

 

The book should at the very least be an entertaining read, and I'd be willing to bet that- despite Canseco's lack of credibility- parts of it are truthful.

[Guest sek69]

It's a pretty sad state of affairs when a known douchebag like Canseco writes a book that's the literary equvalent of monkeys flinging shit and you can't dismiss it outright.

 

 

Even if half the stuff in the book ends up not being true, the constant denial of a steroid problem in baseball might end up hurting the game more than the 1994 strike did. It might cause people to rethink the whole train of thought that the new smaller ballparks and diluted pitching was the reason for the increase in offensive stats over the last 10 years or so. It seems clear that a lot more people were on the juice in baseball than anyone (besides Jose, it seems) wants to admit. How can you look at anyone's numbers now and not be suspicious?

[Styles 0]

Palmeiro and Peter Angelos tell Canseco to go fuck himself, threaten to sue:

 

From the Baltimore Sun:

 

Palmeiro: Canseco claims are 'ludicrous'

Oriole denies steroid use alleged in new book; Angelos defends team's veteran DH; I. Rodriguez refutes allegations

By Joe Christensen

Sun Staff

Originally published February 8, 2005, 12:57 PM EST

Rafael Palmeiro yesterday denied ever taking steroids, calling those claims in Jose Canseco's pending book "ludicrous," and Orioles owner Peter Angelos rushed to Palmeiro's defense.

 

In a combined statement released by the Orioles, Palmeiro and Angelos questioned Canseco's credibility, one day after the New York Daily News reported on the contents of his coming book, Juiced.

 

In the book, which is scheduled for a Feb. 21 release, Canseco reportedly said he injected steroids into several of his former All-Star teammates, including Palmeiro, Ivan Rodriguez, Juan Gonzalez and Mark McGwire.

 

"I categorically deny any assertion made by Jose Canseco that I used steroids," Palmeiro said in his statement. "At no point in my career have I ever used steroids, let alone any substance banned by Major League Baseball."

 

Canseco said he introduced steroids to McGwire in Oakland and then introduced them to Palmeiro, Rodriguez and Gonzalez after getting traded to the Texas Rangers in 1992.

 

Palmeiro had never hit more than 26 home runs in a season until 1993, when he hit 37 in his final year with Canseco as a teammate.

 

Palmeiro went on to slug at least 38 homers a season from 1995 to 2003. He has long attributed his power surge to a change in hitting philosophy: He began focusing on pulling the ball to right field instead of spraying the ball for base hits.

 

"As I have never had a personal relationship with Canseco, any suggestion that he taught me anything, about steroid use or otherwise, is ludicrous," Palmeiro said in the statement. "We were teammates, and that was the extent of our relationship. I am saddened that he felt it necessary to attempt to tarnish my image and that of the game that I love."

 

Palmeiro, 40, who was at his offseason home in Texas, and his agents did not return messages from The Sun yesterday.

 

In October, the Orioles re-signed Palmeiro to a one-year, $3 million contract with plans to make him their full-time designated hitter. He hit .258 last season, pushing his career home run total to 551 and his career hit total to 2,922.

 

"The Orioles are solidly behind Rafael Palmeiro and have absolute confidence in him and in his denial of the Canseco story," Angelos said in his statement. "The Orioles will do everything we can to be of assistance to Raffy in meeting these allegations that have no foundation.

 

"We know him well and the kind of athlete he has been and the vigorous manner in which he has trained. He is a highly professional athlete."

 

Angelos went on to suggest his law firm might have just gained a new client - if Palmeiro wants the services.

 

"Russell Smouse, general counsel of the club, and I will be pleased to provide any representation which is appropriate in meeting these wholly unfounded charges," Angelos said.

 

Reaction to Canseco's book has been harsh and swift. According to the Daily News, he maintained his claim that 80 percent of the players in baseball take steroids and even defended their use.

 

He said President Bush must have known about his players' steroid use when he was managing partner of the Rangers in the early 1990s. Canseco said the owners and the players union actually condoned steroid use because home runs help sell the game.

 

This winter, baseball adopted a stiffer drug-testing program, after reports surfaced that Barry Bonds and Jason Giambi had admitted to steroid use in grand jury testimony in the federal BALCO case.

 

"No purpose is served in giving audience to these type of claims in view of Major League Baseball having stepped to the plate with the encouragement of President Bush in addressing the steroids issue," Angelos said in his statement. "To suggest, as Canseco allegedly does, that President Bush, as the Texas Rangers managing partner in the early 1990s, 'must have known about the steroid use on that team' is a desperate ploy to sell a book. What credibility does such a person deserve?"

 

Yesterday, White House press secretary Scott McClellan said if there was steroid abuse with the Rangers under Bush, the president was not aware of it.

 

"He has recognized, for some time now, that steroids is a growing problem in professional sports, particularly Major League Baseball," McClellan said. "That's why the president has made addressing the issue a priority in his administration."

 

Canseco is withholding further comment until Feb. 20, when he is scheduled to appear on 60 Minutes as a prelude to his book release.

 

Tom Grieve, who served as Rangers general manager from 1984 to 1994, lashed out at Canseco yesterday in an interview with the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

 

"Jose Canseco is an embarrassment to baseball and an embarrassment to his family," Grieve said. "He's become nothing more than a caricature, and he's just giving a better example of it by bringing the president into this and by trying to expose well-respected players who don't deserve this.

 

" ... You've got a guy who has squandered a fortune, his personal life is an embarrassment and he probably has no way to earn an honest living. He's a joke."

 

In the book, Canseco describes injecting a hypodermic needle into McGwire's behind in a bathroom stall at the Oakland Coliseum. Canseco said the Oakland clubhouse was a steroid-user's paradise.

 

St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa, who managed Canseco and McGwire with the Athletics, defended McGwire in an interview with The New York Times.

 

"I am absolutely certain that Mark earned his size and strength from hard work and a disciplined lifestyle," La Russa said. "... As opposed to the other guy, Jose, who would play around in the gym for 10 minutes, and all of a sudden he's bigger than anybody."

 

Rodriguez also denied Canseco's accusations that he used steroids while playing for the Texas Rangers.

 

"I'm in shock," Rodriguez told local El Nuevo Dia newspaper for Tuesday's editions. "He is saying things that aren't true, and it hurts me a lot that he would say things like that because I've always had a lot of respect for him, and I've even helped him many times when things weren't going well for him."

 

The Associated Press contributed to this article.

[Guest sek69]

Heh, just the idea of the Orioles saying someone tarnished the game when they just traded for Captain Corkbat is hilarious.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

"Cansecos Book Injects New Life Into Baseball Steroid Controversy"

 

The headlines practically write themselves.

 

The book should at the very least be an entertaining read, and I'd be willing to bet that- despite Canseco's lack of credibility- parts of it are truthful.

I honestly think this book will rank among the worst baseball books of all time. Besides name dropping, I can't see anything of quality that will come out of it. Thank god my copy of Weaver On Strategy just showed up.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Weaver On Strategy, you just reminded me that I gotta finish that. Thanks Al

[Gert T 0]

Al, did Canseco play with Sammy Sosa in Texas, or was Sosa not there yet? When I heard the rumblings on Mike & Mike I thought it was either Clemens or Sosa.

 

I think the comparisons of this to McCarthyism is accurate.

[Youth N Asia 0]

Rafael Palmeiro openly shills the performance enhancer Viagra. I'd personally be quicker to admit to steroid use.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Al, did Canseco play with Sammy Sosa in Texas, or was Sosa not there yet? When I heard the rumblings on Mike & Mike I thought it was either Clemens or Sosa.

 

Vice versa. Sosa actually played in Texas in 1989, well before Canseco played there. Sosa only played 25 games with Texas before he was traded mid-season. I gotta say, this idea of not naming the biggest name until the book comes out is a real fun one. What a disgusting way to sell a book.

 

I think the comparisons of this to McCarthyism is accurate.

 

Agreed. Let me state that I do think steroid use is likely more prevailent than we once believed. But EVERYONE who ever hit a lot of home runs in this decade is under the microscope.