EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1987747 CHICAGO -- The Chicago Cubs traded right-handed reliever Kyle Farnsworth and a player to be named to the Detroit Tigers on Wednesday for pitcher Roberto Novoa and two minor leaguers. Farnsworth was 4-5 with a 4.73 ERA last season for Chicago. He struck out 78 batters in 66 2/3 innings. "Kyle Farnsworth is an established major league relief pitcher," Tigers president Dave Dombrowski said in a statement. "He can pitch in many roles out of our bullpen and is a quality addition to our pitching staff." In six seasons with the Cubs, the 28-year-old Farnsworth went 22-37 with a 4.78 ERA. Novoa split time between Detroit and Double-A Erie in 2004. In 16 games with the Tigers, the right-hander was 1-1 with a 5.57 ERA. Chicago also picked up third baseman Scott Moore and outfielder Bo Flowers in the trade. Moore hit .223 with 14 home runs and 56 RBI in 118 games at Class A Lakeland last season. Flowers played the majority of the season at Class A Oneonta, hitting .280 with four home runs and 26 RBI in 66 games. I can't help but think the Cubs gave up too soon on Farnsworth. He's a guy that can be dominant if someone shows him how to get it together. The Cubs' clubhouse was such a mess last year that I don't think most of them played to their true level of ability. They did get a good return, however. Novoa looked very good in Erie, and could be a serviceable reliever after a year of AAA. Moore struck out 125 times last year, and I don't think he's a prospect. It's hard to tell with Flowers. This year will determine his future. Still, Novoa's a good enough pitcher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 Phew, I was worried that the Orioles might give up the younger, more talented and less headcasey Jorge Julio for him as was rumored before the Sosa trade, so it looks like we can either keep him for our own pen or swing him for a starter (Javy Vazquez?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 Phew, I was worried that the Orioles might give up the younger, more talented and less headcasey Jorge Julio for him as was rumored before the Sosa trade, so it looks like we can either keep him for our own pen or swing him for a starter (Javy Vazquez?) If the Diamondbacks trade Javy Vazquez (or anyone) to the Orioles for Jorge Julio, I will write the obituary for the franchise right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 Phew, I was worried that the Orioles might give up the younger, more talented and less headcasey Jorge Julio for him as was rumored before the Sosa trade, so it looks like we can either keep him for our own pen or swing him for a starter (Javy Vazquez?) If the Diamondbacks trade Javy Vazquez (or anyone) to the Orioles for Jorge Julio, I will write the obituary for the franchise right now. Wouldn't it be more fun to just laugh at them? As for the deal, Farn had his moments but there were also moments when he dug himself holes and never recovered. He's done this for the past two seasons and maybe the best thing for his career was to move on and see if someone else can advance his development. Didn't give him away for peanuts so that is fine by me. Had they given him away for basically nothing, I'd had been pissed. I didn't like his work, but he had flashes of excellence so giving him away for scraps would have been stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 Anyone think the Tigers can compete in the central this year? There's a lot of question marks: can Magglio regain form? can Farnsworth? can Percival stay healthy? But they were a tough play last year, and on the surface they've only improved. Personally, I can't see them overtaking the Twins, and if Frank Thomas is healthy it's hard to put them ahead of the ChiSox, but you never know... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1987747 CHICAGO -- The Chicago Cubs traded right-handed reliever Kyle Farnsworth and a player to be named to the Detroit Tigers on Wednesday for pitcher Roberto Novoa and two minor leaguers. Farnsworth was 4-5 with a 4.73 ERA last season for Chicago. He struck out 78 batters in 66 2/3 innings. "Kyle Farnsworth is an established major league relief pitcher," Tigers president Dave Dombrowski said in a statement. "He can pitch in many roles out of our bullpen and is a quality addition to our pitching staff." In six seasons with the Cubs, the 28-year-old Farnsworth went 22-37 with a 4.78 ERA. Novoa split time between Detroit and Double-A Erie in 2004. In 16 games with the Tigers, the right-hander was 1-1 with a 5.57 ERA. Chicago also picked up third baseman Scott Moore and outfielder Bo Flowers in the trade. Moore hit .223 with 14 home runs and 56 RBI in 118 games at Class A Lakeland last season. Flowers played the majority of the season at Class A Oneonta, hitting .280 with four home runs and 26 RBI in 66 games. I can't help but think the Cubs gave up too soon on Farnsworth. Let's pretend you didn't say that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 Anyone think the Tigers can compete in the central this year? There's a lot of question marks: can Magglio regain form? can Farnsworth? can Percival stay healthy? But they were a tough play last year, and on the surface they've only improved. Personally, I can't see them overtaking the Twins, and if Frank Thomas is healthy it's hard to put them ahead of the ChiSox, but you never know... Can they? Absolutely. Will they? Probably not. Their free agent signings were questionable. I doubt Magglio is 100%, and Percival is sliding. Still, Bonderman could emerge as an ace, and their young players could step up. Never say never. But I see the Tigers as #4 in the Central right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 Phew, I was worried that the Orioles might give up the younger, more talented and less headcasey Jorge Julio for him as was rumored before the Sosa trade, so it looks like we can either keep him for our own pen or swing him for a starter (Javy Vazquez?) If the Diamondbacks trade Javy Vazquez (or anyone) to the Orioles for Jorge Julio, I will write the obituary for the franchise right now. It wouldn't just be for Julio, but he might be part of a package of say Julio, Bedard and a minor leager. Although those rumors have dried up recently... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 Farnsworth may have had flashes of brilliance, but the truth was, he could elicit a groan from the entire ballpark (and rooftops too) when he came in the game, and for good reason. Just too erratic to rely on for setup or closer, despite the fastball, and he grabbed his crotch a lot. See ya later Farns Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 Farnsworth may have had flashes of brilliance, but the truth was, he could elicit a groan from the entire ballpark (and rooftops too) when he came in the game, and for good reason. Just too erratic to rely on for setup or closer, despite the fastball, and he grabbed his crotch a lot. See ya later Farns The bleacher creatures' attempts at armchair analysis has failed for 96 years. It's time to let the sabermetric revolution have a crack at it. "Who cares if this team lacks OBP? Moving Sosa to 6th in the lineup will solve all of our problems!!" "Who cares if our pitching ranks second in the league? We need a proven closer!!" "Our team sucks? It's obviously the fault of our best players!!" "Let's ignore those silly strikeout numbers, and instead concentrate on a small sample of innings pitched!!" And so on. In Farnsworth's case, when a pitcher of immense talent struggles, I first blame the coaching staff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Farnsworth have a good year for Detroit. I think the Chicago spotlight and pressure probably got to be a bit much for him. There's no pressure in Detroit, since they haven't been good in forever. Fans there are grateful for a .500 team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 Amazing how soon people forget how solid Farnsworth was in 2001 and 2003 no less. 2.74 ERA in 82 IP with 107 K/29 BB in 01 and 3.30 ERA in 76.30 IP with 92 K/36 BB. In 2004, he had similar numbers at 66.7 IP with 78 K/33 BB. His problem was surrendering hits(67) which could be blamed on poor defense. He also allowed 10 HR, his 2nd highest total as a reliever(14 in 2000 but he also had 5 starts). From May - July, he had a 2.59 ERA in 42 appearances. 41 IP with a 54 K/23 BB rate and allowed 32 hits with 4 HR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted February 9, 2005 I'm posting in this thread because Czech compared Kyle Farnsworth to the Lakers retaining Slava Medvedenko. Sorry Czech, but Slava hasn't even shown any sign of potential yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 Farnsworth may have had flashes of brilliance, but the truth was, he could elicit a groan from the entire ballpark (and rooftops too) when he came in the game, and for good reason. Just too erratic to rely on for setup or closer, despite the fastball, and he grabbed his crotch a lot. See ya later Farns The bleacher creatures' attempts at armchair analysis has failed for 96 years. It's time to let the sabermetric revolution have a crack at it. "Who cares if this team lacks OBP? Moving Sosa to 6th in the lineup will solve all of our problems!!" "Who cares if our pitching ranks second in the league? We need a proven closer!!" "Our team sucks? It's obviously the fault of our best players!!" "Let's ignore those silly strikeout numbers, and instead concentrate on a small sample of innings pitched!!" And so on. In Farnsworth's case, when a pitcher of immense talent struggles, I first blame the coaching staff. And to your detailed rebuttal, I come back with FARNSWORTH SUCKS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Failed Mascot Report post Posted February 9, 2005 time to rename him to "The Farnsworth Republic" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 Better than my proposed name change of "Bill Beliczech" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 I am frankly shocked anyone WANTED Farnsworth. I gotta go with Czech on this one, that guy is just awful. Revolting. Pathetic. I can't think of enough adjectives. I saw him at least two times completely fuck up and blow 4 run type leads vs. the Cardinals, including the game that basically killed the Cubs' season (Cub fans know the game I speak of...Cubs could have tied St. Louis before the break, but noooo). How can anyone say the Cubs gave up on him too soon? The guy was there SIX YEARS. He couldn't get his shit together in that time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fuzzy Dunlop 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 Farns reminds me of that guy from Bull Durham, and I like to call him Horseface Mullethead. I hate him. I hope he does great next year, and the Tigers win the Central. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 Glad to see him go because he it was clear he wasn't ever going to be able to handle the pressure of meaningful games. He'll probably do well in Detroit, unless he has to play in any significant games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Happy Medium 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2005 The guy was just too erratic. I don't give a damn about strikeouts if you can't get batters out when it counts. When the guy was in a tough spot, you could see fear on his face....not good. But meh...he'll probably do well in the AL Central. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2005 Given that Comerica is a tough home run park, I think Farnsworth is going to have a good year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2005 Now if Comerica made it tough to hit batters, there'd be no stopping him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2005 Now if Comerica made it tough to hit batters, there'd be no stopping him. He's only hit 4 total over the last four seasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2005 No way, I could've sworn he's hit more than that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2005 No way, I could've sworn he's hit more than that. Actually no, it was only four. However his almost hit batters numbers cannot be defined by a number since none goes that high. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2005 http://www.baseball-reference.com/f/farnsky01.shtml Check the record yourself. Only one wild pitch last year as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2005 Oh I believe you, it's just...wow. He still sucks though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2005 My favorite "wow" pitching line is John Rocker's career postseason statistics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DerangedHermit 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2005 My favorite "wow" pitching line is John Rocker's career postseason statistics. Mine too...that's a "holy shit" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Happy Medium 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2005 The Cubs need to sign Rocker now and just keep him sitting around until/if they make the playoffs. Those numbers astound me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
