Guest Loss Report post Posted February 22, 2005 He's been busting his ass the past couple of months. I'm impressed. The beat-the-clock match with Jericho in January was good, the match with Orton was good, he's been in some good tags with Edge opposite Michaels, and had a good match with Orton last week as well. 2005 has been very kind to him thus far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2005 I think he'll be the one to take the IC belt off Benjamin. It'll peg him as a midcarder for life, but at least he won't be that badly buried by it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2005 You know what makes it strange? That he has no direction anymore. This is a question from the curious: Does anyone think that with his current gimmick/character, Christian could be a main eventer? Ignore ring work, and just base your answer on his character. I really don't believe he could without tweaking. His character is too goofy to be, IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2005 Less goofy, and he could be a credible upper midcarder at least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted February 22, 2005 I don't know that that's a fair statement. I can't think of a midcarder who's ever really had a main event character while working in the opening match. Usually, that comes out naturally and slowly as wrestlers get pushed to the top. Rock wasn't the same guy as IC champ as he was as WWF champ. Even Austin was different on top. Same for HHH. I will say he does have a character he can easily grow into. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2005 They might as well team him back up with Edge, not like either is doing much right now. I'd love for an E&C vs Benoit/Jericho Wrestlemania match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheex Incarnate 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2005 Forget thinking about his character, Christian needs to make his physique a bit more noticeable than it is now to break from the midcard. I mean, HHH started really standing out when he added a bit more definition to his body...then came the roids, but you get the picture. -Cheex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bigm350 Report post Posted February 22, 2005 I don't see Christian as a main eventer unless his character is revamped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2005 I don't know that that's a fair statement. I can't think of a midcarder who's ever really had a main event character while working in the opening match. Usually, that comes out naturally and slowly as wrestlers get pushed to the top. Rock wasn't the same guy as IC champ as he was as WWF champ. Even Austin was different on top. Same for HHH. I will say he does have a character he can easily grow into. Fair enough. But how could his character be upgraded and evolved without seeming like a Jericho rip-off? Because while he really does entertain me with his character and mic work, he just seems to be heel Jericho-lite to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2005 He needs to roid up or somehow improve physically. He also needs a catchy-er finish. Christian has all the tools outside the ring to be a showstealer, he just needs it in the ring. He's good at bumping, his stooging isn't bad, and he plays with the crowd but he probably should do more. Thus far long matches with formula have made his matches watchable, but that has been more to the benefit of his opponents. There's definitely something to work with here, and with the right packaging he could work a worthwhile ME program with Batista. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tominator89 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2005 After watching the Basic Instinct Wrestlemania commercial, I definitely felt reinforced that Christian's potential is being wasted. It seems as though this guy can do it all. Quite frankly, I'd be curious to see how Christian would perform in Edge's current role. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2005 After watching the Basic Instinct Wrestlemania commercial, I definitely felt reinforced that Christian's potential is being wasted. It seems as though this guy can do it all. Quite frankly, I'd be curious to see how Christian would perform in Edge's current role. Paranoid psycho, or at Edge's position on the card? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2005 Christian is definatly one of the most entertaining guys on RAW. But that almost never facotrs into who gets pushes and who doesn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tominator89 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2005 After watching the Basic Instinct Wrestlemania commercial, I definitely felt reinforced that Christian's potential is being wasted. It seems as though this guy can do it all. Quite frankly, I'd be curious to see how Christian would perform in Edge's current role. Paranoid psycho, or at Edge's position on the card? I suppose a combination of both. But, more of the "I will do anything to become WORLD champion". I think what his character should do is list all of his accomplishments. Then, the most obvious thing would be that he wants to win the big one. I liked Hassan dropped that in his promo, but Christian has quite the resume thus far. It should be natural for his character to contend for the world title at all costs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2005 Christian should have different motivation though. He should want the title for the money and the fame - Edge wants it because, I assume, it was a childhood dream. Actually, Christian should want the title so he could be like The Rock, get famous, go to Hollywood and be in the movies so he can leave wrestling ("And their goofy-ass white trash fans") behind. And that's not "be like the Rock" as Booker T did, but rather as a way to get the fans to not want him to win the title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fook_Theta Report post Posted February 22, 2005 Christian doesn't have to roid up, but he does need to learn a few extra sneaky heel/tweener methods of winning a match and leaving a lasting impression on the fans. Even now when I see Flair wrestle I expect the ref to check him for brass knuckles or another foreign object. He's busting his ass definitely, but he should switch his ring gear to his entrance gear. Those tights are simple but make for a great Japan-esque impression, and look good on tv. Add a sweet kick to his moveset and adopt a more movement/run&gun style of wrestling and I think he could break on up to credible main eventer within two years. He definitely needs to beat the hell out of Tomko though. I don't know if it'll help either one in the long run, but with a months worth of buildup I could see even the marks cheering for Tomko getting beat on, or booing Christian for giving him the beatdown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boner Kawanger 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2005 Christian should have different motivation though. He should want the title for the money and the fame - Edge wants it because, I assume, it was a childhood dream. Actually, Christian should want the title so he could be like The Rock, get famous, go to Hollywood and be in the movies so he can leave wrestling ("And their goofy-ass white trash fans") behind. And that's not "be like the Rock" as Booker T did, but rather as a way to get the fans to not want him to win the title. Brilliant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2005 Tomko fucking rules, leave him out of it! Christian does need to improve his physical stature, that could mean roiding up or letting some body hair grow. Let's use Shawn Michaels in 1995 as the bare minimum for what a champion should look like. Shawn Michaels is a cruiserweight, and so is Christian. HBK was also roided up with that title reign. It's just the nature of the WWE. If you want the part you have to look the part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Catcher8C Report post Posted February 22, 2005 I think a great way to turn Christian into a main eventer would be to have him strive to be like an elite baby face star...It would play out similar to Jericho/Michaels but with more substance and build. Perhaps Christian starts raising the eyebrow one week or speaking in first person...a few weeks later, he uses the rock bottom in a win. Soon, he is openly talking about how The Rock is the only wrestler better than himself, in passing of course. Finally, after a few months of this, he becomes almost a stalker of sorts. He is obsessed with Rock, and he eventually becomes convinced that the Rock hates him (which would be true). They work a big four PPV match, and Christian goes over. Instant main eventer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2005 Christian should have different motivation though. He should want the title for the money and the fame - Edge wants it because, I assume, it was a childhood dream. Actually, Christian should want the title so he could be like The Rock, get famous, go to Hollywood and be in the movies so he can leave wrestling ("And their goofy-ass white trash fans") behind. And that's not "be like the Rock" as Booker T did, but rather as a way to get the fans to not want him to win the title. Now that's a hell of an idea. Nice idea Rudo. If Christian went for the title based on that, I could dig. I'm not sure if I'd buy him as a champion or not, but as a contender using your idea? For sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2005 Tomko works OK as Christian's enforcer but I'd rather see him as Edge and Christian's bitch. I don't see any good coming out of a Tomko face turn any time soon, so I say just leave him in that subservient role for three or four months, and let Christian get a little more over by being seen more like Edge and truly above Tomko. God, I really hope E&C stay together for a while. Just watching that match last night, it was poetry in motion. Edge doesn't really have the heat for a one-on-one main event right now anyway, so you might as well leave him in a role where he can be consistently entertaining as tag champ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JRE Report post Posted February 22, 2005 Tomko should be with Christian forever and they should never ever make an angle out of it. Just because Christian looks so badass walking to the ring in his awesome suit with some tough lookin' dude backing him up. If I was Tomko...I would do that job and love it. Christian can easily be a top heel. Easy. He's always coming up with fresh material too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2005 The thing with Christian under the Hollywood storyline is that when he DOESN'T win the title, he'll have to stay in the WWE and the fans will feel compelled to rag on him because, well, he hates the fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Human Fly 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2005 All Christian needs to be a main eventer is a change of scenery. After John Cena wins the title he will be in need of some heels to feud with. Christian would be a fresh face (has Cena ever wrestled him?) and they already had a little confrontation at the Rumble. Christian has had either a win or highly contested matches with Jericho, Michaels, and Orton. I think the fans would buy him. He and Tomko could be traded as a set to SD and then after Christian has had his first little run he and Tomko could spice up the SD tag division. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2005 Nah, when they do give Cena the belt, they need to have him face real, established main eventers. They desperately need to erase the memory of Bradshaw's abortion of a reign, and restore credibility to the belt. If they bring someone over from Raw to face Cena, he should be a little more established than Christian. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Special K 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2005 He honestly needs to be a little bit MORE selfish in his matches and diversify his offense a little. He's a hell of a bumper and seller, but he barely gets any offense in during his matches. We know he knows the moves, he just needs to get a couple more in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2005 Time time to strike with Christian was May 2004. He had heat-magnet Trish, was putting on very good matches with Jericho, and had the goofy but not-quite-hated-and-laughed-at Tomko by his side. Christian should have main evented Bad Blood 2004 against Benoit. Een if he didn't win, or if the match wasn't superb...couldn't have been any worse than Kane. Christian was MUCH MORE over than Kane from March-May 2004 then directionless Kane was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dobbs 3K 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2005 Honestly, I think it's partly his name. I just can't imagine hearing: "Here is the winner of the match, and the NEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWW World Heavyweight Champion...CHRISTIAN!"...he needs at least a last name. Maybe he could be called Christian Cage like in his indy days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2005 He honestly needs to be a little bit MORE selfish in his matches and diversify his offense a little. He's a hell of a bumper and seller, but he barely gets any offense in during his matches. We know he knows the moves, he just needs to get a couple more in. He was starting to when he feuded with Jericho. But lately, he's reverted back to what you said. His style works great in tag matches though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
natey2k4 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2005 Christian right now, is my second favourite wrestler of course behind the smark loved, Paul London. I can honestly my favourite moment of RAW is watching Christian's entrance. That is PURE brillance.. from the song, to the entrance gear, to the actions he does... the guy is phenomenal. Christian is also always coming up with fresh material.. he's promo's are always entertaining. He can be serious, funny, or both at the same time. He can play Angry very well and can pull off a very good face and as soon right now, an exceptional heel. His character wouldn't need too much tweaking in my opinion, and with RRR's idea.. he wouldn't need any tweaking beyond that. Christian's silliness is fun.. it's not overtop like JBL's (which I happen to enjoy sometimes)... and it's not underused like some people. Humour is always good in my books, when things make me laugh.. it's a good thing. I absolutely hate when people say long, blooded feuds should NEVER involve stupid humour... because frankly if you look around the world we live in.. embarassing or making fun of someone you dislike, hate, or feud with in real life is one of your main goals. You of course wanna beat the shit out of them, but you'll get your chance.. so what better to do then make a fool out of them? To me, making someone look stupid is more realistic then just yelling back and forth for a few weeks. All this makes me think Christian would be a Perfect Main Eventer.. and I would defiantely pay to seem him Main Event. His entrance would make the match *** alone, haha. To me, Orton had the third or forth best singles match of his career last night, with hardly any building up. (I also enjoyed Benoit v. Orton, Benjamin v. Orton, and RVD v. Orton... Flair v. Orton was good too.. but not in the same way.. the only match I can say that Christian's wasn't quite up to par with was Benoit's, but look at the length of the feud behind that).. It was becasue of Christian. Christian can make anyone look good, and he actually made the RKO look relatively good for once. Christian is a catch, and IMO.. should be pushed hard. A Christian/Edge v. Benoit/Jericho match? I'm totally for this. I know alot of people wanna see Benoit vs Jericho.. but this match, given some good time could rival the match from Final Resolution (Team Canada vs AMV). It could be just as hot from the crowd, as good as a brawl, and more technically sound.. making it a better match. Hot pinfalls.. a good story.. and obvious good selling from Benoit and Christian. Oh and Christian defiantely stole the Basic Instinct spoof.. he OWNED that. So after reviewing everything, Christian has what it takes. His humour is great, but seriousness is just as good. His ring attire is awesome, especially compared to the older days. His entrance and music are the best and one of the best in the WWE, respectively. Coming down with a huge ass bodyguard is awesome, and makes it all the better. As for his physique.. I could care less what the guy looks like as long as he can pull off some decent matches, and be entertaining. And while he doesnt have the best physique... it's definately not that bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites