AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2005 It's "Kata Hajime," you filthy round-eyed gaijin bastid!! Sadly, that's what I typed when I was just guessing at it, but I did it as one long word so it looked all funky. I remember having an OLD issue of an Apter mag and it showed Lord Humongous locking up Dick Murdoch in a kata hajime, and spending forever trying to figure out how to pronounce the word ... give me a break, though, I was like 11 at the time. It's just an approximation of how the characters are pronounced in English. I don't think there are any set rules for it. Other Japanese hold names to sound like a l33+ puro smark "sasori gatame" (literally, "Scorpion Hold/Lock"; Sting's move) "juji gatame" (side armbar applied on the mat) and much, much more!: http://tapout.association.users.btopenworl.../Dictionary.htm Rudo could probably come up with better links, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B. Brian Brunzell 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2005 I'm seconding the Orange Crush suplex. EZ Money was using that for awhile towards the end of ECW and during his tenure in WCW, wasn't he? And oh yeah...add me to the list of Heart Punch marks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2005 Didn't Kobe Tai Gail Kim use a variation of that for a while, when she was the "female submission specialist"? Coolest (and probably most painful-looking) finisher in the WWE right now is still the Widow's Peak. Too bad the Vertebreaker is banned. It is a two-man combination of a sweep-kicking a guys legs out from under him while your partner gives him a spinning heel kick. It was a very simple-looking move that looked like DEATH when it was sold properly. I don't think there's a guy on the roster who could do a credible leg sweep as required by Total Elimination. I'm sure that tag teams could (credibly) revive the Hart Attack and Powerplex though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B. Brian Brunzell 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2005 I think she headscissored the opponent before going into the armbar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2005 I think she headscissored the opponent before going into the armbar. I think so as well, but of course in pro wrestling, the idea is not to pull your opponent's arm out of their socket. In MMA, probably not as much reluctance to do so... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BUTT 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2005 You know, I honestly don't see what's SO bad about the full nelson. It's all in how effective they sell the move as being. Nobody has really used the full-nelson for a while, so it's seen as being old-school and thus ineffective. When you think about it, the move (if actually applied) could really hurt your arms and neck. If everyone could take a move like the People's Elbow as a serious, world-title winning finisher, I don't see what's so bad about a full-nelson. During Scott Steiner's time as Big Poppa Pump, I always thought they should change his finisher to a swinging full-nelson, as it would at the very least be better than the Recliner (although really, anything would). I really think every wrestler in WWE should have at least one pinfall finisher and one submission finisher. It would help to make matches more interesting and help fans get into the submission moves more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toxxic 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2005 Holly was using the Full Nelson during his 'I'll break your neck!' run, and it was sold like death then. all we need now is for Richards to be reported as injured from his match with Masters, and you can have the thing made. Oh wait, he is. Just not in the right way. Stupid Stevie Richards, can't even get potatoed properly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2005 You know, I honestly don't see what's SO bad about the full nelson. It's all in how effective they sell the move as being. Nobody has really used the full-nelson for a while, so it's seen as being old-school and thus ineffective. When you think about it, the move (if actually applied) could really hurt your arms and neck. If everyone could take a move like the People's Elbow as a serious, world-title winning finisher, I don't see what's so bad about a full-nelson. During Scott Steiner's time as Big Poppa Pump, I always thought they should change his finisher to a swinging full-nelson, as it would at the very least be better than the Recliner (although really, anything would). I think that if the setup move was something other than the fricking Polish Hammer (say, something that WEAKENED THE NECK), the full nelson might be seen as a more effective finisher... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cameron chaos 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2005 The sugarhold (seated full nelson, Stu Hart's old move, like a camel clutch) would work and is much less escapable. It will legitimately seperate the vertebrae in someone's back if you pull up the body and push down the back of their head. Why not a tiger suplex pin after the full nelson? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2005 Why not a tiger suplex pin after the full nelson? You mean a dragon suplex? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2005 Why not a tiger suplex pin after the full nelson? You mean a dragon suplex? Which is why it wouldn't be used by Masters...as London has been using that recently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Special K 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2005 I don't think people would have been harping on Masters if he fired off a neckbreaker and a brainbuster or ANYTHING, maybe with a few targetted strikes to the neck, but all he did was fucking lumber around, do a couple shitty moves and then do a full-nelson. It's all about the setup. Chris Daniels submitting American Dragon with a simple crossface in the ROH round robin made for a great finish, because he wrecked his neck all match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2005 I have a friend who works really small indy feds and he uses a cross armed diamond dust. I always liked the diamond dust as a move. And speaking of Billy Gunn stealing finishers, don't forget the Jackhammer, which he used as a transitional move basically. A few more...I'm surprised nobody has channeled Davey Boy and busted out a running powerslam as a finisher. Or Doink and his stump puller. Or what about Pete Gas's reverse full nelson slam called the GAS MASK~!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted March 1, 2005 I have a friend who works really small indy feds and he uses a cross armed diamond dust. I always liked the diamond dust as a move. Funaki busted out the DD a few times. So it's kosher, but it could actually be used on the main shows since Austin isn't actively wrestling anymore. An Oklahoma Slam would be fine on Smackdown, but I don't want it on a Raw where it will cause JR to ramble on about Dr. Death. Funaki also used the Fisherman Buster, but I don't think WWE'd let that go these days. However, Fisherman Suplex would be fine. Val used it as a signature move--but it's not like he uses it anymore or wrestles that much even. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted March 1, 2005 I remember Chavo using the Emerald Fusion during the InVasion, or right before teaming with Eddie in Los Guerreros, so somebody could use that, since it's not a head-drop move, but rather a Michinoku Driver II to the side. And were WWE to let up on their ban of head-drop moves to anybody but 'Taker, I'd like to see a double-underhook piledriver, Kid Kash-style, since the move is pretty safe (Kash actually lands it so that the person taking it is a good 3 inches from the mat before he throws them to the side), and looks SICK. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites