Just John 0 Report post Posted February 26, 2005 I'll start by mentioning Slamboree 1997. Fun ME with Flair/Piper/Green vs. Hall/Nash/Syxx Great TV title match with Regal and Ultimo Great cruiser match with Rey and Yuji Yasuraoka Good death match with Benoit and Meng Good US title match with Malenko and Jarrett The only noticably bad match was Steve McMichael vs. Reggie White, but I wasn't exactly expecting a classic there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jingus 0 Report post Posted February 26, 2005 Halloween Havoc 98 had a lot of crap, like the gashplastering blasphemy that was Warrior-Hogan II, but it also had the best match of Goldberg's life and a bunch of interesting midcard stuff. Who knew that Paul Wight could throw a dropkick off the top? Summerslam 98 is a forgotten gem as well. The main event proves once and for all that Undertaker could put on a really good match, Rocky finally took a couple of decent bumps, HHH proved he could have a good match with someone who wasn't either a Kliq member or Foley, and the rest of the card is damn fine: D-Lo/Venis, Jarret/XPac, Shamrock/Owen, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrVenkman PhD 0 Report post Posted February 26, 2005 I have this nostalgic feeling and love for WrestleMania IX. I understand the PPV isn't good but I just love it... combination of the whole "theme", the outdoor atmosphere, it being the first WM I was able to see at my home on PPV. I also enjoy the first two matches of the show and often feel Steiners / Headshrinkers doesn't get it's due. Uncensored 98 is a PPV that you never hear anything about. The main event was atrocious... I don't do star ratings but if I did, I always had it in my mind that negative star matches don't exist as frequently as some reviewers give them out (DUD says it all).. but that was truly a -** or more match. However, Eddie vs Booker T, Jericho vs Malenko, Benoit vs DDP vs Raven, Hart vs Hennig (though not that good compared to the past), and even Konnan vs Juvi are all good matches. It's too bad other crap on the show brings it down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted February 26, 2005 Ditto on Summerslam 98. The only thing not worth viewing on the entire show is Kaientai/Oddities. Probably the most consistent show of 1998, although it wasn't as 'spectacular' as Mania. The Great American Bash 2004 wasn't as bad as many make out, so I guess that's underrated. EDIT: Uncensored 99 is pretty fun too. Not a great PPV by any means, but aside from Hogan/Flair and the NWO B&W match (which is so bad it's almost good) it's decent enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MillenniumMan831 0 Report post Posted February 26, 2005 I'll throw IYH: Final Four in the mix. Not that I hear about how bad it is, but other than the ME, it's hardly ever brought up despite having an excellent opener between Marc Mero and Leif Cassidy and an awesome Tag Title Match between Owen/Bulldog and Furnas/LaFon. The 6-Man tag was alright. Even the Free for All was extremely entertaining w/ all 4 guys spewing out bitter rage for much of it . . . especially Austin. Plus, the atmosphere was great. No cheesy house set. A real sense of unpredictability all night in regards to the main event as it could have went to any one of them. My favorite IYH ppv and that includes Canadian Stampede. Granted, the I-C Title match between Rocky/HHH was a yawner. I may be kinda biased since I found it dirt cheap years ago at a Mom and Pop's Video Store and didn't expect it to be too good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted February 26, 2005 I wouldn't call Summerslam 98 under-rated at all. If anything, it's one of the most recognized "great" Summerslam PPV's with a good card from opening to main event (even the comedy match was fun). I'll throw in Summerslam '97 though, which rarely gets anything good said about it. UT/Hart was pretty good, despite HBK getting into the match as a referee. Owen/Austin was great until the... you-know-what. Godwinns/LOD was actually pretty good... for LOD/Gowinns. HHH/Mankind cage was good, but nothing spectacular. Goldust/Pillman was watchable, and Shamrock/Davey Boy was a good enough match considering the participants at the time. The only match on SSlam 97 I hated was DOA v. Los Boricuas, which was only about 6:00 or so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Epic Reine 0 Report post Posted February 26, 2005 Slamboree '98 Really liked the Benoit/Finley TV title match, the Raven/DDP Bowlrey Deathmatch, and the Eddie/Ultimo match. Starrcade '99 Some crap but I really liked it overall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Si82 0 Report post Posted February 26, 2005 EDIT: Uncensored 99 is pretty fun too. Not a great PPV by any means, but aside from Hogan/Flair and the NWO B&W match (which is so bad it's almost good) it's decent enough. I agree with Uncensored '99. I think it's a good PPV. Also Fall Brawl 2000 was pretty entertaining too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted February 26, 2005 I'll second FB 2000, the most underappreciated PPV of the year. And while it is praised as being good, I still say that Backlash 2000 is the greatest wrestling show in American history. Other sleepers? WM 2K got less credit than it deserved (Benoit/Angle/Jericho is the best 3-way match I ever saw). Survivor Series 2K2, I felt, was pretty good. And No Mercy this past year was underappreciated. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted February 26, 2005 >>>And while it is praised as being good, I still say that Backlash 2000 is the greatest wrestling show in American history. You sound like Paul Heyman when he was shilling for The Alliance and saying Lance Storm was the greatest Intercontinental Champion ever during the Storm/Edge match at SummerSlam. Seriously, you can't possibly believe that. Jesus Christ, the opener had a drunken Debra McMichael announce a not-super-over-yet E & C Vs. X-Pac and Road Dogg. And Big Show squashing Angle. Uncensored 97 - Brilliant Eddie/Dean opener. - Very good (just heatless) Mortis/Glacier feud starter. - Fun main event (cool to see guys like Benoit mix it up with Nash, Hogan) - Good (but heatless) Psychosis/Dragon match Very poor TV Title match (Iaukea/Rey) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jingus 0 Report post Posted February 26, 2005 Who cares if Angle got squashed in that match? Big Show's Hogan impression was the entire point of it all. Backlash 2000 did indeed rule, much better than the Wrestlemania that preceeded it in my opninion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Just John 0 Report post Posted February 26, 2005 I second Uncensored 97. I didn't think Iaukea/Rey was that bad, though. Not great, but passable. And Dusty Rhodes was brilliant the whole night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted February 26, 2005 Backlash stomps WM 2000 in the ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted February 26, 2005 Backlash had the pretty boring opener, Big Show squashing Angle, a horrible T&A v. Dudley Boyz match, and an even worse APA v. Buchanon & Bossman match. Rock/HHH was great, Jericho/Benoit was good with a cheap ending, and Eddie/Rios was good, but unspectacular. Just "there". I forget if Malenko/S2H was on NWO or Backlash, but either way, the above 4 mentioned matches keep it from being the best ever WWF PPV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrVenkman PhD 0 Report post Posted February 27, 2005 I love WM VII but I've talked to many people who think it's an overly-patriotic show with a terrible angle for the main event. While that criticism is valid, I still find it to be highly entertaining. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted February 27, 2005 >>>And while it is praised as being good, I still say that Backlash 2000 is the greatest wrestling show in American history. You sound like Paul Heyman when he was shilling for The Alliance and saying Lance Storm was the greatest Intercontinental Champion ever during the Storm/Edge match at SummerSlam. Seriously, you can't possibly believe that. Jesus Christ, the opener had a drunken Debra McMichael announce a not-super-over-yet E & C Vs. X-Pac and Road Dogg. And Big Show squashing Angle. And E & C dragged Road Dogg & X-Pac to the only good match they had as a tag team. It was the ONLY match involving TAFKADX that was good. Followed by an excellent Malenko/Taylor match, a very good Guerrero/Rios match, terrific Benoit/Jericho and Rock/HHH matches. Even the "bad" match (T & A v the Dudleys) was hardly horrendous. The Hardcore 6-way was extremely fun. And while Big Show squashed Angle, it was a comedy match that was done perfectly. Uncensored 97 - Brilliant Eddie/Dean opener. - Very good (just heatless) Mortis/Glacier feud starter. - Fun main event (cool to see guys like Benoit mix it up with Nash, Hogan) - Good (but heatless) Psychosis/Dragon match Very poor TV Title match (Iaukea/Rey) Uncensored ALSO had a never-ending Bagwell v Riggs match, a bad Harlem Heat v PE match --- and the ME just didn't click with me. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted February 27, 2005 Mike, c'mon...we got to hear "American Males!" one last time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted February 27, 2005 Mike, c'mon...we got to hear "American Males!" one last time. And it gave me "The clap" -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted February 27, 2005 Even the "bad" match (T & A v the Dudleys) was hardly horrendous. And it had Bubba being a loud mofo saying great lines such as: "I'm going to get you, you little bitch!" To Trish. I dunno, but I always find audible comments like that funny, and Bubba is the king of doing that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted February 27, 2005 Bash '89 sucks at the teat of SuperBrawl II, which I consider the best American wrestling PPV of all time. If we were looking at any cards and not just PPVs, I might call the first Clash of the Champions the best American show ever. Five matches, three of which rock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted February 27, 2005 Bash '89 sucks at the teat of SuperBrawl II, which I consider the best American wrestling PPV of all time. If we were looking at any cards and not just PPVs, I might call the first Clash of the Champions the best American show ever. Five matches, three of which rock. Oh, SBII was a good show --- but I thought the ME was flat-out bad (Sting v Luger never worked well) and I honestly LOATHED the Steamboat v Rude match and the Steiners v Anderson & Eaton matches. The rest, though, tended to be MUCH better than you'd have thought. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted February 27, 2005 I don't know how you can loathe those two matches. Agreed about the main event. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted February 27, 2005 The matches weren't bad. The finishes were another matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted February 27, 2005 The matches weren't bad. The finishes were another matter. I thought Steamboat v Rude never got on-track. The Ironman match at Beach Blast was a significant improvement. The SB match underwhelmed me. And Steiners v Anderson & Eaton just did nothing for me. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted February 27, 2005 >>>The Ironman match at Beach Blast was a significant improvement. Agreed. I actually loved the ending to Steiner Vs Arn and Bobby in retrospect, coming from one of the biggest Steiners marks ever. Plus it was fun to see those 4 guys, who defined tag wrestling in the NWA/early WCW, go at it for the belts. The match was better than decent from what I remember. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted February 27, 2005 Is Superbrawl II the show where everyone was told that the people who put on the most entertaining matches got a big bonus in their payday for the show? Thats kinda not fair... everyone actually was motivated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iliketurtles 0 Report post Posted February 27, 2005 Revenge of the Taker: IYH. Not nearly as bad as some might think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted February 27, 2005 SuperBrawl II was where the Bill Watts "best match" motivation STARTED, not the only show. Though hard to tell from some of their next efforts... Well, the undercard anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LessonInMachismo 0 Report post Posted February 27, 2005 I'll start by mentioning Slamboree 1997. Fun ME with Flair/Piper/Green vs. Hall/Nash/Syxx Great TV title match with Regal and Ultimo Great cruiser match with Rey and Yuji Yasuraoka Good death match with Benoit and Meng Good US title match with Malenko and Jarrett The only noticably bad match was Steve McMichael vs. Reggie White, but I wasn't exactly expecting a classic there. Who in the Sam Hell is Kevin Green? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted February 27, 2005 SuperBrawl II was where the Bill Watts "best match" motivation STARTED, not the only show. Though hard to tell from some of their next efforts... Well, the undercard anyway. Watts didn't arrive until the middle of May. The bonuses for working hard was an idea of Kip Frey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
