Mole 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Pacific My sleeper in the tourney. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mole 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Is somebody going to do a Tourney Pool on Yahoo with TSM people? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Is somebody going to do a Tourney Pool on Yahoo with TSM people? Go ahead. I've got a real pool I'm doing for money, but if you set one up, I'll be glad to share my wealth of college basketball knowledge with the members of the board. Anyway, back to real discussion: If we're looking at who deserves the 1 seeds, I'd say Illinois and Carolina are locks, and the other 2 spots should go like this: 1. Duke/Wake Forest winner 2. Kansas if they win the Big 12 tourney w/o Langford 3. Kentucky if they win the SEC tourney 4. Wake, if they lose to Duke 5. Oklahoma St. if they win the Big 12 tourney 6. UConn if they win the Big East tourney 7. Duke, if they lose to Wake 8. If Kansas, Kentucky, Oklahoma, OSU, and UConn all lose, then Boston College should get the last one seed. Of course, in reality, the result of the Big 12 title game won't even be factored in, so Wake and Kentucky are virtual locks. The only way it changes right now is if Kentucky loses fairly early in the SEC tournament. Oh, and on Notre Dame as a bubble team, I say out. 4-6 in their last ten games and 4-7 as a road + neutral record means they shouldn't make it. Of course, I haven't filled out the whole at-large field, so I can't say for sure that there are 34 better teams, but it's just my inclination that they don't deserve the spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mole 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 6. UConn if they win the Big East tourney I can't see them getting a #1 seed at all. Even though they have been playing VERY well as of late, I just don't see it happening. If they win the Big East, they are a lock for a 2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Is somebody going to do a Tourney Pool on Yahoo with TSM people? KingPK said he's doing one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SilverPhoenix 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Is somebody going to do a Tourney Pool on Yahoo with TSM people? Go ahead. I've got a real pool I'm doing for money, but if you set one up, I'll be glad to share my wealth of college basketball knowledge with the members of the board. Anyway, back to real discussion: If we're looking at who deserves the 1 seeds, I'd say Illinois and Carolina are locks, and the other 2 spots should go like this: 1. Duke/Wake Forest winner 2. Kansas if they win the Big 12 tourney w/o Langford 3. Kentucky if they win the SEC tourney 4. Wake, if they lose to Duke 5. Oklahoma St. if they win the Big 12 tourney 6. UConn if they win the Big East tourney 7. Duke, if they lose to Wake 8. If Kansas, Kentucky, Oklahoma, OSU, and UConn all lose, then Boston College should get the last one seed. Of course, in reality, the result of the Big 12 title game won't even be factored in, so Wake and Kentucky are virtual locks. The only way it changes right now is if Kentucky loses fairly early in the SEC tournament. Oh, and on Notre Dame as a bubble team, I say out. 4-6 in their last ten games and 4-7 as a road + neutral record means they shouldn't make it. Of course, I haven't filled out the whole at-large field, so I can't say for sure that there are 34 better teams, but it's just my inclination that they don't deserve the spot. Well number 8 is dead, the Moutaineers took care of that shit, proper. Boston College will not get to the 1 Line, nor do they deserve to get to the 1 line in the first place, now. There shot at the 1 line was going to come if they won the Big East Tournament, but they won't win it. UConn will not get a 1 seed either. In their case, it is too little, too late, even if they are playing really hot basketball right now, there are other teams that just performed better than they did over the course of season. Remember, in Janurary, UConn was a bubble team, and not performing well at all. But, you had Wake Forest, Kentucky and even Louisville peforming better than they did. You are right about the Big 12 Tournament though, it ends too late, and the bracket is done by 4 PM. That tourney ends at like 5:50 PM, so there goes Kansas' 1 seed. Though there is one scenario that people are not exploring. What about the CUSA Season Champion, Louisville? Yeah, I bought them up. Picture this scenario. Louisville wins CUSA Kentucky loses Olkahoma State loses UCONN loses Duke loses (which is almost a certainity) Kansas loses Wake loses If all of these teams lose, who is to say that Louisville doesn't move up into contention to get the final piece of the 1 line? Lets take a short look at their profile. - Won a Major Conference, outright. - They've won 7 Straight Games - 9 - 1 in their last 10 - Won over 25 Games - Lost less than 5 games. - Have a Top 25 RPI Ranking - Have a shitload of Key and Marquee Wins - Have only one bad loss to their credit (Memphis) - Have a Top 80 Percentile Overall Schedule - Have a Top 66 Percentile OOC schedule Now add the fact that if they do win the tourney. - 9 Straight Wins - 9 - 1 in their last 10 still - Major Conference Tournament Title It would be hard not to include them in the 1 line discussion. What would keep them out, however is that they didn't play a OOC schedule on the level of a Kentucky, Olkahoma State or UConn, and there are teams that have a better RPI. Now I know this scenario is a stretch, but it is definetely something to think about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Here's the thing though....U of L is just bound to get screwed, whored, you name it if we have to play Memphis AT Memphis in that CUSA final. You think IU/Wisconsin was bad? This will be a LOT worse. Seriously, it'd be U of L's last game in CUSA playing the home team (one of the few that is staying)....I don't like it at all. I hope USF upsets Memphis tonight, but then we'd just squash USF for the CUSA title and that isn't going to impress anyone into giving us a 1 seed. To clarify my Michigan St. comment earlier, it's just that MSU isn't the most thrilling or exciting team. I'm bored with seeing them constantly in the mix. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 - Have a shitload of Key and Marquee Wins You're kidding, right? Aside from the wins vs. Cincinnati and Florida (and those are kind of debatable), I can't see one one other win that Louisville has that could be considered a "marquee" win. Stanford certainly wouldn't qualify this year. The only really big game they had on the schedule, the Kentucky game, they lost. No, Louisville is a strong 2, but they're not moving from there. I would consider Arizona before Louisville for a #1 seed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Ditto on Louisville. They have less "key" and "marquee" wins than any Top 20 team except Pacific and Utah. I was saying who deserved the #1 seeds, and even with the loss in the Big East tourney, a four loss BC team would deserve it more than Louisville. If you note below, I said that as far as who would actually get them, it was the Wake/Duke winner and Kentucky, or maybe a Big 12 team if Kentucky loses. Remember, all a Big 12 team has to do is make it to their title game to be considered because the committee won't know who wins it anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SilverPhoenix 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 - Have a shitload of Key and Marquee Wins You're kidding, right? Aside from the wins vs. Cincinnati and Florida (and those are kind of debatable), I can't see one one other win that Louisville has that could be considered a "marquee" win. Stanford certainly wouldn't qualify this year. The only really big game they had on the schedule, the Kentucky game, they lost. No, Louisville is a strong 2, but they're not moving from there. I would consider Arizona before Louisville for a #1 seed. I was counting top 100 RPI, so yeah, most of those wins are in the bottom 50. So I will stop doing that then. Like I said, it is very unlikely scenario. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 OU is busy eating Mizzou for lunch and getting revenge for that loss at Mizzou. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Maybe I spoke too soon. Mizzou is making a run back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SilverPhoenix 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Ditto on Louisville. They have less "key" and "marquee" wins than any Top 20 team except Pacific and Utah. I was saying who deserved the #1 seeds, and even with the loss in the Big East tourney, a four loss BC team would deserve it more than Louisville. If you note below, I said that as far as who would actually get them, it was the Wake/Duke winner and Kentucky, or maybe a Big 12 team if Kentucky loses. Remember, all a Big 12 team has to do is make it to their title game to be considered because the committee won't know who wins it anyway. Yes, I know I may have used bad criteria for the marquee and key wins, so yeah, I messed up there. I will admit my mistake. Also, I should've cleared up the Big 12 Teams time of loss, those losses would have to be on Saturday, cause then just the fact that if those two teams in question would probably be considered. Stupid me for not clearing that up. As far as the question of whether Louisville, or Boston College deserving the Seed more than the other. Both sides make a good case that can be argued either way. Maybe my logic is a bit screwed up, but when I see Boston College, I see a very good team that has been exposed in the past 2 weeks of the season, with West Virginia being the latest exposure. They had a good season, and won a share of the BE Regular Season Title, but they picked the wrong time to lose, IMO. They're 4 - 4 with 2 of those losses coming to Notre Dame and West Virginia. Good Teams as well, but not what the selection commitee would want to see. Louisville, however (and this isn't counting Arizona or UCONN, who may have more of a case for said Bid over Louisville), I see a team that is really hot right now, winning down the stretch, and winning a conference title that means something, outright. They, like Boston College are in the Top 10 of the Rankings, which puts them in the dicussion as well. Winning CUSA totally, would probably make their case stronger. Boston College does have the advantage of being in a better Conference, and having a better schedule. Even if they only had to face certain top Teams once, while others had to face them twice. Their victories do not leave much arguement as to whether they deserve to be Champions of their Conference. Louisville has the advantage of being hot at this critical juncture, and that could sway some people into their direction. However, you could also say that CUSA is a step below the Power Confernces, due to it's very Mid-Majorish Bottom Feeders, and that could work aganist them. Really, IMHO, it is a crap shoot between these two teams. You can make the arguement for either one of them to be a 1 seed. But not before other teams that have been more impressive. ------------------------------------- In reality, I pretty much agree Louisville will not get a 1 seed, and hasn't done enough in the eyes of America to deserve one. I just don't think Boston College will get one either, in any scenario, anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Here's the thing though....U of L is just bound to get screwed, whored, you name it if we have to play Memphis AT Memphis in that CUSA final. You think IU/Wisconsin was bad? This will be a LOT worse. Seriously, it'd be U of L's last game in CUSA playing the home team (one of the few that is staying)....I don't like it at all. I hope USF upsets Memphis tonight, but then we'd just squash USF for the CUSA title and that isn't going to impress anyone into giving us a 1 seed. I'm excited about Memphis' run to the Conference Semis given how they managed to piss away a berth with those 4 straight losses. Even though USF is the easier opponent- I kind of wanted to face Cincinnati one last time and beat them in their last game against each other. Memphis beating Louisville if they beat USF is of course far from guaranteed. As a long time Tigers fan- I've dealt with my fair share of dissapointment from Memphis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 My God, Carolina is LOSING to CLEMSON?? I mean, I don't see them losing their #1 over it if they do lose, but damn...that's not a good last impression to leave the committee with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SilverPhoenix 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 My God, Carolina is LOSING to CLEMSON?? I mean, I don't see them losing their #1 over it if they do lose, but damn...that's not a good last impression to leave the committee with. What the fuck? Clemson is acutally winning. This is like Rutgters staying in the game, but worse. Carolina should not be losing in the quarterfinals of the ACC tournament, that's inexcusable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Clemson had it, but couldn't hang on. Heels survive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 OU hangs on with Mizzou making a monster comeback. But now OU is on to the semi-finals to play either Texas Tech or ISU. Both teams that have beaten OU. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 I about shit a brick listening to Carolina/Clemson on my car radio. They might have a little troule with the winner of the two Techs after only winning by a cunt hair over Clemson. Then again, they could blow them out like they did in the regular season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Yes! Go VT! Kill the GT crap! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Yes! Go VT! Kill the GT crap! Dude, it's a two-point game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Yes! Go VT! Kill the GT crap! Dude, it's a two-point game. Yeah I know but I want VT to win so badly. I wish they'd extend it! Do something! Embarass them! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Yes! Go VT! Kill the GT crap! Dude, it's a two-point game. Yeah I know but I want VT to win so badly. I wish they'd extend it! Do something! Embarass them! What's with the GT hate? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Looks like Indiana played themselves off the bubble. Minnesota is just pasting them right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Georgia Tech 73-54 Virginia Tech. GT is in, VT is likely out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Dear God, Garcia has got to stop getting in all this foul trouble in the 1st half. This is like the 6th time he's gotten 3 fouls in the first 10 mins. I do agree that U of L isn't really a 1 seed, but we do have some solid wins this year (Florida, Cincy twice, Charlotte, even teams like UAB and DePaul are possible tourney teams). The big difference is that this year we can actually win when we suck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Yes! Go VT! Kill the GT crap! Dude, it's a two-point game. Yeah I know but I want VT to win so badly. I wish they'd extend it! Do something! Embarass them! What's with the GT hate? He's projecting his resentment from when the board completely turned on him and OU onto me and Georgia Tech. It's true I may sound like a little bit of a homer sometimes, but I really believe they have the tools to make it to the Final Four, and that if not for an unfortunate injury, they could be competing with Wake and Duke for a one seed. They finally blew out a solid team today for the first time since BJ Elder came back when they played VT today, so I'm hoping they're pulling it all together at the right time. The litmus test will be against Carolina in the ACC semis, but with Carolina looking a little lackadaisical against Clemson, I think GT should be able to win it. Win that game tomorrow, and a run to the Final Four sounds a hell of a lot more realistic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SilverPhoenix 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 We may have more "Bubble Chaos" soon. Holy Cross is getting its ass kicked by Bucknell. Yes, THAT Bucknell. (Note: Holy Cross will not get a bid if it loses, but it would just make everyone sweat that much more.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 If Holy Cross isn't getting an at-large bid, than why would anyone care? If anything, it would give them a better matchup or possibly improve their seed line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen Joseph 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Yes! Go VT! Kill the GT crap! Oops. Guess not. Looks like my alma mater is off the bubble Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
