Guest jm29195 Report post Posted March 8, 2005 Does anyone know exactly how many matches he competed in the wwf during his runs with the company and what the results/opponents were? cheers! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Frank_Nabbit Report post Posted March 8, 2005 Check Cawthon's site Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2005 http://www.angelfire.com/wrestling/cawthon777/results.htm Looking over things, I was shocked to see how few matches Williams actually had in WWE. 4/28/1998 Steve Williams d. Scorpio (For kicks, another dark match at this card featured Adam Copeland beating Matt Hardy) 7/14/1998 Brawl For All: Steve Williams d. Pierre 7/27/1998 Brawl For All: Bart Gunn d. Steve Williams 1/12/1999 Steve Williams d. Bob Holly 3/15/1999 Steve Williams d. The Hardy Boys in a handicap match Aired 3/21/99 on Sunday Night Heat 3/29/1999 RAW Hardcore Holly d. Steve Williams after Al Snow interfered Williams interfered in the Holly/Snow match on the next Raw, and that was it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BUTT 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2005 I don't know if he wrestled there before '98, but here are the matches from his '98-'99 run, according to Cawthon's site: WWF @ Richmond, VA - Coliseum - April 28, 1998 Steve Williams pinned Scorpio with a backdrop driver WWF @ Binghamton, NY - July 14, 1998 Raw is War - 7/20/98: Brawl for All: Steve Williams defeated Pierre WWF @ Anaheim, CA - Arrowhead Pond - July 27, 1998 Raw is War: Brawl for All Semi-Finals: Bart Gunn defeated Steve Williams WWF @ Beaumont, TX - January 12, 1999 Steve Williams defeated Bob Holly PCW @ Reading, PA - February 5, 1999 (training camp) Steve Williams defeated Pierre Oulette ECWA @ Wilmington, DE - February 6, 1999 (training camp) Steve Williams defeated Mideon via disqualification WWF @ San Jose, CA - Arena - March 15, 1999 Sunday Night Heat - 3/21/99: Steve Williams defeated Matt & Jeff Hardy in a handicap match with a powerslam WWF @ East Rutherford, NJ - Continental Airlines Arena - March 29, 1999 Raw is War: WWF Hardcore Champion Hardcore Holly pinned Steve Williams after Al Snow interfered and hit the challenger with a frying pan So we've got two dark matches, two indy "training camp" shows, one squash on Heat, and three Raw matches, one of which is his most embarassing loss. That's a hell of a run for Dr. Death. I swear I had no idea the guy before me was doing the same thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toshiaki Koala 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2005 Wow, and he actually made it into WWF Attitude. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Some Guy 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2005 He debuted after WM 14 so he was brought in in the Attitude era. He was JR's body guard after he returned from the torn hamstring in the Brawl For All match with Bart Gunn, when JR was doing his heeling on Micheal Cole gimmick and had his own announcer's table in front of Cole and the King. I don't know why they signed him other than him being JR's boy. He never woud have gotten over in WWF, especially during that time frame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dobbs 3K 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2005 I know this wasn't a match, but I specifically remember Steve Williams attacking Bart Gunn in the ring while Jim Ross was confronting him, and giving him some sick suplexes, including a backdrop driver. Anyone else remember that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Frank_Nabbit Report post Posted March 8, 2005 Lance Storm put him over 1-2 times last year in OK Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CBright7831 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2005 I know this wasn't a match, but I specifically remember Steve Williams attacking Bart Gunn in the ring while Jim Ross was confronting him, and giving him some sick suplexes, including a backdrop driver. Anyone else remember that? Yes I do. I remember being excited that JR was back, only to be left confused by his heel turn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jm29195 Report post Posted March 8, 2005 Yeah I thought he couldn't have had to many matches, I've checked the hous show listings and he was never on the road with them there either... Hows about his ECW 96-97 run and his WCW late 99 run? I remember an MVC match against the elims and one against Axl Rotten and Raven on the same night, and then something where he destroyed the whole cruiserweight division in wcw.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golgo 13 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2005 Oh God, his late-WCW run... I remember he was paired up with Oklahoma and had that feud with Vampiro and The Misfits. Better than his WWF run, I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2005 One angle saw Williams drag a guy out of the crowd, pull him into the ring, and give him a backdrop driver. The name of the guy ? Ed Ferrera. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2005 Post my questions regarding Brawl For All in this thread, might as well: Does anyone know what the purpose of this was, and if it was worked at all? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2005 It was a total shoot, though in Bart Gunn v Bob Holly Bart was told to take it easy on Bob. The idea was Williams would win it easily, as a way to build him up as a challenger for Austin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richard 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2005 One angle saw Williams drag a guy out of the crowd, pull him into the ring, and give him a backdrop driver. The name of the guy ? Ed Ferrera. Tiger Ali Singh got Ed to come out of the crowd and paid him to make fun of JR. Ross and Williams came to the ring and Dr. Death kicked Ed's ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2005 It was a total shoot, though in Bart Gunn v Bob Holly Bart was told to take it easy on Bob. The idea was Williams would win it easily, as a way to build him up as a challenger for Austin. Does Bart have any legit fighting cred? Why Bob Holly, is he a pussy in real life or something? Why didn't they work it if they wanted Williams to run through the competition? Were they confident that he was a badass? Would whoever else have won gotten the same push? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2005 It was a total shoot, though in Bart Gunn v Bob Holly Bart was told to take it easy on Bob. The idea was Williams would win it easily, as a way to build him up as a challenger for Austin. Does Bart have any legit fighting cred? Why Bob Holly, is he a pussy in real life or something? Why didn't they work it if they wanted Williams to run through the competition? Were they confident that he was a badass? Would whoever else have won gotten the same push? Bart was in some Tough Man contests, and actually pleaded with them not to face Williams because he knew he'd destory him. They asked him to take it easy on Holly, because after what happened to Williams, Vega and others, they didn't want guys too badly hurt. They didn't work it because Doc had a tough guy rep, and they felt he was legit tough still. It was designed solely for Doc to win, and the fact they did next to nothing with Bart Gunn except feed him to Butterbean shows how they felt about his marketability as a top guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2005 Thanks for the answers, just one more question; didn't Bart know eventually that if Williams kept winning, he'd eventually have to kick his ass? It only makes sense. I wonder how they advertised it, because when I saw it going on I just changed the channel. If I knew it was real (can you trust the WWF in things like this?) I would have stayed tuned in. Williams was a collegiate wrestler I think, I'm surprised he didn't use his wrestling background to put Gunn on his back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2005 Bart was very confident that he'd batter Williams if they met. As for Williams wrestling background, he hadn't been in a shoot for years, so it's hard to get back into that mindset after being in works for so long. BFA was a total disaster in every way, shape, and form. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Some Guy 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2005 He tried ot wrestler but take downs are hard to do with boxing gloves on especially against a guy like Bart Gunn who is like 260 lbs or so and he tore his hamstring in the match. Blackman ran right through Marc Mero by taking him down, but Blackman was a martial artist and Mero a boxer. Boxers don't win a whole lot of shoot fights. Brawl for All was a really bad idea. Vega and Doc got hurt, Hawk and Droz looked like pussies who couldn't fight and Mero, who was playing a semi-tough guy boxer who beat his wife at the time got his ass kicked. Plus they put a bunch of guys out there, most of whom had no shoot training or hadn't done any for years, plus a fair amount of them weren't really in very good wrestling shape (Hawk and Vega). Training for worked pro wrestling matches is mostly cardio and beutification exercises, training for shoot fighting is way different, watch Ultimate Fighter and see what they go through. This is why Angle was made to look foolish by Puder. Angle was so far removed from real wrestling training that he had trouble keeping up with the more recently shoot trained, much younger, and far less injured Puder. You'd think that Brawl for All would have taught them that lessen. Shoot fights with pro wrestlers suck and people get hurt or embarrassed or both. Dan Severn and Shamrock refused to enter if memory serves me. Severn did so on TV, I think Shamrock did it privately. He would have most likely killed whoever he faced if he had a few weeks to train. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2005 Oh I'm a big MMA fan, but I wasn't at the time, so I had no idea about this stuff. I think Angle would have been tapped out regardless anyway. He got the takedown on Puder, and it's not like his wrestling background would teach him how to get out of a kimura. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted March 9, 2005 Bart was in some Tough Man contests, and actually pleaded with them not to face Williams because he knew he'd destory him. They asked him to take it easy on Holly, because after what happened to Williams, Vega and others, they didn't want guys too badly hurt. Little info switched around that needs correcting: Bob Holly fought Bart Gunn in the 1st Round. Gunn KO'ed Dr. Death in the 2nd Round, which was several weeks later. Also, I think Bob/Gunn was one of the first of the fights which would make all the injuries happen after it, but that I'm not sure on. Didn't Williams injure Pierre in the BFA? I seem to think thats why he disappeared from TV, or because he just wasn't meant to stay around. Like Brakkus showing up out of nowhere and getting schooled by Vega. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2005 Almost everyone in BFA was injured in some way. Savio Vega didn't wrestle again for years after. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted March 9, 2005 I can't believe I actually thought the BFA was a cool idea. Mainly because I was a huge Steve Williams mark when he was in WCW on and off back in the day, and thought it was a "unusual" thing to do. Looking back on it now... who came up with that again? Vince (McMahon)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2005 Other Vince. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted March 9, 2005 I should've guessed, but I didn't think he was the kind of person to go into another sport like McMahon did with football. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve J. Rogers 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2005 He debuted after WM 14 so he was brought in in the Attitude era. He was JR's body guard after he returned from the torn hamstring in the Brawl For All match with Bart Gunn, when JR was doing his heeling on Micheal Cole gimmick and had his own announcer's table in front of Cole and the King. I don't know why they signed him other than him being JR's boy. He never woud have gotten over in WWF, especially during that time frame. They kind of were grooming him as an Austin opponent, allegedly based on Austin's real last name being "Williams" or some stupid thing. Makes sense considering how bad Austin was deterioating at that stage in his career that they'd bring in "hosses" that could let Austin do a brawling style. Actually had they pulled the JBL gimmick during the height of the Austin era, it might actually have worked now that I think of it... Makes for an interesting What If question. Is JBL just at the wrong time.... Or just plain wrong! Steve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Frank_Nabbit Report post Posted March 9, 2005 Bradshaw was credited with coming up with the idea. Russo can't do everything wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kimaster1976 Report post Posted March 9, 2005 I read somewhere that it was Jim Ross who came up with the tournament to put over his favourite guy Williams. It may have been a shoot up until the Williams/Gunn contest, but everything after that was a work. I have the final on tape and in no way is that a shoot, its clear to me that it was worked for Gunn to win to push him as a badass. Of course he would have won anyway probably, but they made sure he did. It does not really matter anymore as in the biggest show of the year in a legit shootfight Bart Gunn got destroyed in less than a minute by a blimp. Surely the biggest embarrasment ever to pro wrestlers who like to think of themselves as tough guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2005 Dan Severn and Shamrock refused to enter if memory serves me. Severn did so on TV, I think Shamrock did it privately. He would have most likely killed whoever he faced if he had a few weeks to train. Severn competed in the Brawl For All tournament. He defeated the Godfather via decision in the first round, but watching live I recall thinking the Godfather dominated, and they handed Severn a gift decision. Afterwards, they dropped Severn from the tournament before he could become exposed any further. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
