the WM run down

[Guest Trivia247]

There are a handful of decent to good matches they did line up, some not so good, but it appears they have left out quite a few that shouldn't be left out in a Premier PPV..

 

First of all, every title should be defended. So far the Tag titles of both brands and the IC title is not on the list. Not to mention whatever they are going to do with the Cruiserweight title.

 

For some reason they seem to want to have two ladder matches. Is this suppose to be shock and awe or something? What would have impressed me more is Angle and HBK doing something similar to a 30-60 minute Iron man match and keep the ladder match to the 6 pack Jericho challenge.

 

Orton vs Undertaker, Im not gonna complain about this. If the Undertaker wants to torpedo his record to Elevate Randy Orton for some ungodly reason then fine. though his recent behaviors certainly does deserve such a push doesn't it?

 

the two World title matches is about as good as we can expect so im not gonna complain about that.

 

Piper's Pit, I like the idea of. Though SCSA probably gonna stun poor ol Piper and he'll break a rib or something and sue the company.

 

We may get Hassen vs Hogan that is just pure speculation on my part, since the two men he was in a demi feud with, Jericho/ Benoit are in the Ladder match.

 

Trish vs Christy has the added tabloid flavor of Lita probably at ringside and we get to see signs o plenty and a ground swell for Matt Hardy supporters.... version 1's return like a Phoenix out of the ashes of his relationship.

 

too bad they don't have to many people left to do a battle royal, certainly an old school WM flavor that would be. But unfortunately we are in a age now, that no one wrestles any big gimmick match like a BR without some incentive.

 

Don't forget the Big Show vs whats his name. Akiomo? Are they trying to revamp some Yokozuna memory by having an ACTUAL Yokozuna (Grand Champion) take on the Big Show? Rodney Anoai may get himself in the Hall of fame one of these days.

 

what do you all think of the current WM card and could it use some improvement, better matches or whatever?

[Guest LooneyTune]

Quickly: When did they announce TWO ladder matches? Angle was using the ladder as a way to accomplish everything HBK did in his career, and would do it in 4 weeks. He's wrestling a ladder match on T.V. I think, so huzzah.

 

- RAW World Title: Triple H v. Batista

The match isn't going to be pretty. Batista isn't that good, and Triple H can't carry anyone.

 

- SD World Title: JBL v. John Cena

Shoot me

 

- Randy Orton v. The Undertaker

Shoot me Part II

 

- Shawn Michaels v. Kurt Angle

The two most over-rated wrestlers in history in one match. $20 says Shawn no sells something first. Probably will be a good match, but not anything anyone expects it to be.

 

- CW Title: Chavo Guerrero v. Paul London

Chavo is REALLY boring, especially lately, and London might not get anything out of him.

 

- 6-Person Ladder Match

It will either be an entertaining spot fest, or a horrible clusterfuck.

 

- Big Show v. The Japanese Guy

Shoot me Part III: Why am I not dead yet?

 

- Womens Title: Trish v. The redheaded bitch

Shoot me Part IV: still on life support

 

- (If it happens) Hulk Hogan v. Muhammad Hassan-Chop

Mark value will be alright, but anything else and that will be the 5th bullet shot.

 

Wrestlemania doesn't look too promising this year. The main events will suck, the undercard has been poorly booked, and most of the talent on RAW is thrown into a meaningless ladder match for a title match they'll lose.

[MikeJordan23 0]

Quickly: When did they announce TWO ladder matches? Angle was using the ladder as a way to accomplish everything HBK did in his career, and would do it in 4 weeks. He's wrestling a ladder match on T.V. I think, so huzzah.

 

- RAW World Title: Triple H v. Batista

The match isn't going to be pretty. Batista isn't that good, and Triple H can't carry anyone.

 

- SD World Title: JBL v. John Cena

Shoot me

 

- Randy Orton v. The Undertaker

Shoot me Part II

 

- Shawn Michaels v. Kurt Angle

The two most over-rated wrestlers in history in one match. $20 says Shawn no sells something first. Probably will be a good match, but not anything anyone expects it to be.

 

- CW Title: Chavo Guerrero v. Paul London

Chavo is REALLY boring, especially lately, and London might not get anything out of him.

 

- 6-Person Ladder Match

It will either be an entertaining spot fest, or a horrible clusterfuck.

 

- Big Show v. The Japanese Guy

Shoot me Part III: Why am I not dead yet?

 

- Womens Title: Trish v. The redheaded bitch

Shoot me Part IV: still on life support

 

- (If it happens) Hulk Hogan v. Muhammad Hassan-Chop

Mark value will be alright, but anything else and that will be the 5th bullet shot.

 

Wrestlemania doesn't look too promising this year. The main events will suck, the undercard has been poorly booked, and most of the talent on RAW is thrown into a meaningless ladder match for a title match they'll lose.

What about Eddy vs. Rey

[Guest LooneyTune]

That will kick ass, but I didn't even know it was rumored.

[MikeJordan23 0]

That will kick ass, but I didn't even know it was rumored.

Yeah, Dave Meltzer had it up as one of the matches in his update a couple days ago.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

- RAW World Title: Triple H v. Batista

Could be watchable, but won't be great by any means. HHH is really going to have to have his working boots on here and it needs to be booked correctly.

 

- SD World Title: JBL v. John Cena

The better of the two main events on paper, and Cena is good when motivated and against a brawler like his matches with Undertaker. If Cena half-asses it then it won't be pretty.

 

- Randy Orton v. The Undertaker

The entire evening will be ruined if Taker doesn't win here. I don't care if it is ugly, as long as Orton jobs.

 

- Shawn Michaels v. Kurt Angle

The two most over-rated wrestlers in history in one match. $20 says Shawn no sells something first. Probably will be a good match, but not anything anyone expects it to be.

 

Exactly.

 

- CW Title: Chavo Guerrero v. Paul London

Depends. London should obviously win the strap, but they probably won't get much time. At least let London get some good offense in.

 

- 6-Person Ladder Match

Clusterfuck is probably most likely, but any time Benoit is in a match it could surprise.

 

- Big Show v. The Japanese Guy

Nobody in the US east of Hawaii even cares. They should have just left it as a thing for the Japanese crowd during that tour. Big Show deserves better.

 

- Womens Title: Trish v. The redheaded bitch

Similar to Orton, except not as big. The Women's Division is dead if Trish doesn't win.

 

- (If it happens) Hulk Hogan v. Muhammad Hassan-Chop

Bad idea. Let Hogan have his moment with the Hall of Fame. He's too big of an icon to job to Hassan, and Hassan would be buried by jobbing. It is a no-win scenario.

[Guest Shadow]

Eddy/Rey has basically been "rumored" since they started teaming.

 

Originally they wanted to face the Dudleyz in a ladder match but apprently vince didn't approve or something. Sadly, eddy and rey weren't penciled in for a program until they made their own program. I still wouldn't be surprised if they just did Mysterio/Eddy Vs Bashams.

[Promoter 0]

I'm going to have to agree with the statement that UT losing at this Mania will just piss off people and spoil the event for some especially if they do it before the two title matches with one of the new faces losing. This is one card where I think it's best that the faces should go over. HHH/JBL winning or UT losing or any other variation will just spoil everything since the new faces aren't exactly Rock and Austin. They have to send the fans home happy this year to make up for the card's quality. HBK/Angle might surprise, but I agree that Angle is really over-rated and HBK is not in 1995-1996 mode obviously. If this was 2002 Kurt Angle and 1995 HBK that would be a different story.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

I think Batista needs to win, but I don't have much doubt that he will. JBL winning won't bother me.

 

But putting Orton over Taker is something they might actually do.

 

HBK/Angle might surprise, but I agree that Angle is really over-rated and HBK is not in 1995-1996 mode obviously. If this was 2002 Kurt Angle and 1995 HBK that would be a different story.

 

Even then I'm not so sure. It would be good, but I don't think it would be a classic. Angle seems to be at his best against some who is more of a mat wrestler (or is not afraid to do so) like Chris Benoit or Steve Austin. Angle/HBK could be a styles clash. As a match, I think HBK/Eddy would be a lot better.

[Guest LooneyTune]

Undertaker better not job... and I haven't liked him since 1998. The one thing Undertaker has going for his career (other than a few shit title reigns and craptastic feud) shouldn't be thrown away for a guy who is barely over enough to be feuding for the Intercontinental Title.

[Guest Shadow]

Also; It would appear the World Tag Title isn't going to be defended and quite frankly; It shouldn't.

 

If you want a reasoning for the lack of a title match kayfabe, Just have bischoff say "Regal didn't do what i asked him to do with my nephew Eugene and now Eugene's in the hospital and guess who is footing the bill? ME!. So regal doesn't get the honor of wrestling at WM21."

 

It's easy and adds another element to the assholeness of Bischoff.

 

 

 

Im guessing Rey/Eddy will keep the titles, no sense in rushing a title change since Smackdown lacks true faces to compete against Bashams except Dudleyz. It would be a nice way to bring them back though...

 

Have next thursday, Bashams win the titles after Eddy's cheat attempts blows up and Bashams take advantage. Eddy and Rey argue. Bashams celebrate in the back with JBL and Jordan and Bashams claim "We're the greatest tag team of all time. No time alive today can match us" type promo. The next week, Bashams defeat Haas/Holly and make the claim again with the Dudleyz showing up out of nowhere to take out the Bashams. They claim THEY as 10+(whatever the #) time ecw,wcw(? did they hold it during the invasion?) world and wwe tag team champions, they are without question the greatest living tag team today.

 

easy set up if they MUST defend the titles, and I'd have Bashams DQ early about 4 minutes into it, and the Dudleyz snap and go tables on them to a big pop.

 

Hogan/Hassan likely isn't a match but simply(if anything at all) Hassan interupts Hogan's announcement at WM(Im sure they will trot them out like last year) and cut a "this man represented Patriot values and americana and yet he's a sham, a fraud" type promo.

[Promoter 0]

I don't think the notion of Taker actually possibly losing is bad for the interest of the match though. JBL winning will mean he has killed the only top face left on the smackdown roster he hasn't defeated. It will hurt the wwe imo. I don't think the chase in this scenario is a good idea. Don't bother with the tag team titles I say. It won't help the quality and won't draw since we see those damn matches every week on tv anyways unless they do some kind of heel turn with Eugene. Keep the tag titles on Rey and Eddie and have them face each other as champs because that has more drama.

[slabinskia 0]

HHH-BATISTA

this can be decent but I'm not too optimistic.*** at the most

 

JBL-CENA

I don't think either is a good worker so I'm not expecting much here either.At the most it will be ** 1/2

 

HBK-ANGLE

Regardless if they are overrated or not this should be the motn.I like both and say it will be ****+

 

ORTON-UNDERTAKER

This won't be pretty.prabably less than **

 

SIX WAY LADDER MATCH

I like ladder matches and everyone involved.I say ****+ though I usually rate ladder matches high

 

REY-EDDY

If they get 15 minutes it will be ****.if they get 10 it can still be in the mid 3s.less than 10 and they have more problems than we thought.

 

BIG SHOW-SUMO GUY

who cares.dud

 

CHAVO-LONDON

can be *** but will likely be short.so maybe not even **

 

HOGAN-HASSAN (if it happens)

good for mark out value but thats about it.

 

BOOKER T-ORLANDO (rumored)

filler match.who cares

 

TRISH-CHRISTY

the usual 5 minute diva stuff

 

REGAL/TAJIRI-?

(saw it rumored somewhere.

 

Last year had 4 matches at 3 1/2 stars or better.If they can equal that this year I will be happy.

[bob_barron 0]

Where was Book v. Orlando rumoured?

 

The fact there was a rumour about Regal/Tajiri v. ? is pretty funny

[Guest MikeSC]

- RAW World Title: Triple H v. Batista

Could be watchable, but won't be great by any means. HHH is really going to have to have his working boots on here and it needs to be booked correctly.

Well, they have a match here on the 20th which should give an idea of the potential match quality for WM20.

-=Mike

[Mystery Eskimo 0]

The only match I'm actually interested in is turning out to be Orton-Taker. Call me wildly optimistic, but I think this could hit *** range if they're both working hard.

 

I can really see Orton winning too, which I'd enjoy in a "how many people will this piss off" kinda way.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I think Cena/JBL might steal the show if they give it the right angle, structure, and story. Then again, I said the same thing about a Cena/JBl feud and thus far it hasn't been very good.

[Team Angle Pusher 0]

HHH-BATISTA

Will be very entertaining. Just them having a stare down will sent chills down my spine and the crowd will pop big time.

 

JBL-CENA

Both are just average in the ring but JBL's character will be awesome against Cena's. The fans will love the match if Cena dominates most of the contest. Not the best match by far on the card but it can be good if they don't let the match go on long and the build-up should be good too. I hope they make this a No DQ match because it fits both men but I doubt it.

 

HBK-ANGLE

Angle is NOT overrated, the man IS a wrestling god. He can still drag anyone to a great match. HBK isn't the wrestling he used to be but he can still have great matches, so this match just might steal the night.

 

ORTON-UNDERTAKER

I'm beginning to dislike the Undertaker because he doesn't want to put over new stars. I hate Orton, but I think he should win this one. The WWE needs to make new stars and if they want Orton to be one they should just let Orton beat Taker.

 

SIX WAY LADDER MATCH

I love Ladder matches. It'll be a spotfest but a damn fun one. I'm looking forward to it.

 

REY-EDDY

Will be another match who can get 4 stars, should be good.

 

BIG SHOW - AKEBONO

Two huge man going at it always gets a big ass pop. They should hype this up by showing some video's of Akebono's victories. Won't be good in wrestling terms, but it will be entertaining. I hope it's over after 5 minutes. I wonder who will win.

 

CHAVO-LONDON

They will probably get like 5 minutes. This is the perfect time to give London a nice push. Will be short but sweet.

 

HOGAN-HASSAN (if it happens)

If they do this match it will make or break Hassan's career IMO. Hassan should beat Hogan.

 

BOOKER T-ORLANDO (rumored)

OJ has been improving. This will be a decent match, but nothing special. It won't have much build-up too.

 

TRISH-CHRISTY

DUD.

 

REGAL/TAJIRI-LA RESISTANCE-THE SUPERHEROES

Saw it rumored somewhere.

 

They could also do Hassan and Daivari versus Tajiri and Regal for the World Tag Team Titles.

[pochorenella 0]

Hogan/Hassan likely isn't a match but simply(if anything at all) Hassan interupts Hogan's announcement at WM(Im sure they will trot them out like last year) and cut a "this man represented Patriot values and americana and yet he's a sham, a fraud" type promo

 

That's what I was thinking it's likely to happen. Hassan and Daivari cut a promo in the ring, then boom! "Real American" plays and Hogan does the hulking-up and stuff to fend off both guys to the delight of the crowd.

[eiker_ir 0]

wait, has Eddie-REy been confirmed? if so what are the reasons for they to face to face each other?

[KingPK 0]

For some reason they seem to want to have two ladder matches. Is this suppose to be shock and awe or something? What would have impressed me more is Angle and HBK doing something similar to a 30-60 minute Iron man match and keep the ladder match to the 6 pack Jericho challenge.

Where the HELL did this notion that they're going to make Angle-HBK a ladder match come from, anyway? Angle said that he would have beaten HBK in the Wrestlemania X ladder match; no challenge of the sort was thrown down on SD.

 

- HHH-Batista will probably end up having a no-DQ stip attached to it, just to allow for more brawling to mask Batista's poor in-ring ability.

 

- Orton's face turn has been a complete bust, so the ONLY way he can get something out of a match with Undertaker would be to turn full fledged, cocky heel again. And Orton should win clean with the RKO, nothing else. It could be from out of nowhere like with Foley last year.

 

- HBK-Angle could be good if Angle works Shawn's leg the whole match and Shawn DOESN'T nip up and completely no-sell any injury, which he has a propensity to do nowadays. Shawn bleeding like a pig just to bleed wouldn't be that great, either.

 

- The Money in the Bank match might be good, if Kane's involvement is limited to a few chokeslams and ladder shots. Just let the other 5 guys go.

 

- I would like Trish to retain, but it just ain't going to happen.

[Guest LooneyTune]

HBK-ANGLE

Angle is NOT overrated, the man IS a wrestling god. He can still drag anyone to a great match. HBK isn't the wrestling he used to be but he can still have great matches, so this match just might steal the night.

Thats why Angles best matches were with people far more talented than him like Benoit, Austin, Guerrero, Mysterio etc. etc. Stick him in a match vs. random midcarder with minimum skills and the match would blow.

[res37618 0]

wait, has Eddie-REy been confirmed? if so what are the reasons for they to face to face each other?

Apparently, the new issue of SmackDown magazine hypes an Eddie/Rey match at WM. I hope to hell this happens, and is given at least 15 minutes to shine. Anything less would be a crime.

 

I'm actually pretty jacked about this year's show. We've got a potential Eddie/Rey match, a potential Chavo/London match, HBK/Angle which should at least be good, if not great, both WWE and World title matches should at least be entertaining, and UT/Orton may even surprise us. The potential is there for this to be a great show, but there's also potential for this to be crap-tastic, more so than any other year if booked wrong and good match-ups not given due time.

[pochorenella 0]

HBK-ANGLE

Angle is NOT overrated, the man IS a wrestling god. He can still drag anyone to a great match. HBK isn't the wrestling he used to be but he can still have great matches, so this match just might steal the night.

Thats why Angles best matches were with people far more talented than him like Benoit, Austin, Guerrero, Mysterio etc. etc. Stick him in a match vs. random midcarder with minimum skills and the match would blow.

Angle's had good matches also with Edge, Kane, and Shane McMahon, just off the top of my head.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

My big problem with Angle/HBK isn't that it won't be good (it will, just not an instant ***** classic like some people seem to think), it is that it doesn't really who wins. It is hard to get into the drama of a match if you don't care who wins.

 

Will it be better than Batista/HHH? Easily. Will I care as interested in it? Absolutely not.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

This is the first Mania since I started watching that I don't give a crap about.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

This is the first Mania since I started watching that I don't give a crap about.

Consider yourself lucky. I had to stomach XI, XIII, XV & XVIII.

[bob_barron 0]

18 had Rock v. Hogan- I'm not even a Hulkamaniac or anything yet for some reason I was jakked up for that match.

 

For this Wrestlemania- I haven't got too excited yet. When/if they gave Regal, Tajiri and Booker matches I'll prob get more into it

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

18 had Rock v. Hogan- I'm not even a Hulkamaniac or anything yet for some reason I was jakked up for that match.

 

That was part of the problem. I was not a fan of bringing the NWO back at all. Still was better than Jericho/HHH.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I've been around as a fan for all but XI. While several have turned out crappy I've always looked forward to them on some level.

 

But after last year I just can't bring myself to care. It's too long to sit through, by the time the main events are starting I'm just sick of watching. Nothing changes, they made a big deal of Benoit/Guerrero last year like some kind of torch was passed and Guerrero doesn't even have a Mania match at this point. So what's the point when next year comes around and Triple H will be half of the main event again?