5_moves_of_doom Posted March 18, 2005 Author Report Posted March 18, 2005 Is Bongo Fury along the lines of Zappa and Beefheart's earlier collaboration, "Willie the Pimp." I love Beefheart, am warm to Zappa and I really like that song. I find it quite dissapointing. It's still quite good and you should buy it if you're a fan of either artist, but when I bought it I was thinking that it would be a "MegaPowers Collide!" masterpiece and it's not as good as either artist's prime solo stuff. Not nearly as good. Anyhow, I don't remember specifically if I found anything to be better than "Willie the Pimp," as I honestly haven't listened to the album in ages... but I doubt it. I love that song. Anyway my Zappa collection is quite modest... I'm trying to go in vaguely in chronilogical order, but am always hesitant in actually purchasing the Ruben & the Jets album. Absolutely Free Apostrophe (') Bongo Fury Freak Out! Lumpy Gravy We're Only In It For the Money Anyway this post has made me realize that I really haven't listened to Bongo Fury in a coon's age, so when I'm done with Charalambides and Pearls Before Swine I think I'm going to see if my opinion has changed on it over time. I'll get back to you people on that. FAKE EDIT: Kibagami, I'm glad that someone feels the same way about the first Modest Mouse album. It's the only one I listen to regularly nowadays. And why is that your favorite Dylan record? ANOTHER FAKE EDIT: Just because I'm interested -- Inc, what's your favorite Beefheart album? I've owned Trout Mask Replica since the seventh grade, and always cherished it, but for some reason never went beyond that. I just recently picked up Safe As Milk and an album of interviews lately though, and am totally enjoying the former (while the latter is rather amusing.) Any recommendations from there? I've always been interested in what his later works sound like.
5_moves_of_doom Posted March 18, 2005 Author Report Posted March 18, 2005 I decided to just skip Charalambides and go straight to BF... I'm only three songs in, but it's a LOT better than I remember it. Still no masterpiece, but it's very interesting/engaging. ...By the way... what the hell is with Beefheart's weight? It's... whacky.
Styles Posted March 18, 2005 Report Posted March 18, 2005 Iron Maiden - Still Life Though I prefer songs off of Number of the Beast better than I do Still Life, it's the production I really love. It's much, MUCH better than Number, and the songs don't seem to SOUND as cheesy as those on Number do ("22 Acacia Avenue" and "Invaders" being my prime examples). You're thinking of Piece of Mind (one of the greatest album titles ever), Up The Irons! Pretty much anything from Metallica, Iron Maiden, Alice In Chains, Jerry Cantrell, Black Sabbath, Ozzy, Megadeth and Anthrax...
Precious Roy Posted March 18, 2005 Report Posted March 18, 2005 I'm a big Aesop Rock fan, but I prefer Labor Days to Bazookatooth. That record, and it's themes, hit me at the perfect time in my life, and it's incredibly melodic for such a down-tempo hip-hop album, very cohesive overall and throughout with just some killer beats. Wander the Wind, what was that last cover you posted? As for my Zappa collection: Freak Out! Absolutely Free Lumpy Gravy We're Only In It For The Money Hot Rats Weasels Ripped My Flesh Fillmore East, 1971 200 Motels The Grand Wazoo Roxy & Elsewhere Bongo Fury Joe's Garage Lather Lost Episodes Strictly Commercial Strictly Genteel Obviously I'm a bigger fan of his stuff with The Mothers than his later prog-rock stuff, though I'm a fan of most of his output in some fashion. I'm proud of my collection, all of it store bought, but one of my friends owns legit copys of every album he put out, quite impressive.
Special K Posted March 18, 2005 Report Posted March 18, 2005 Bjork- Homeogenic Clash- London Calling Velvet Undergound- & Nico Sonic Youth- Daydream Nation and Sonic Nurse Blonde Redhead- Misery is a Butterfly Ween- The Mollusk Smashing Pumpkins- Siamese Dream
Guest Agent of Oblivion Posted March 18, 2005 Report Posted March 18, 2005 ...By the way... what the hell is with Beefheart's weight? It's... whacky. He has multiple sclerosis, last I heard. He just paints nowadays, under his christian name.
Guest Agent of Oblivion Posted March 18, 2005 Report Posted March 18, 2005 Bongo Fury is pretty good. Beefheart's spoken word/shouted word stuff carries it, as Zappa & co. keep things weirdly in a blues and country mindset for the most part. Not his best, not lower-echelon. Fully worth a download, and probably worth a purchase, depending on how much you like Zappa. Edit: It doesn't really sound like Willie the Pimp very much. Also Edit: Zappa/Beefheart did an awesome collaboration with "The Torture Never Stops" (trimmed to a tiny six minutes) on Cheap Thrills: an album which otherwise isn't very good at all.
spiny norman Posted March 18, 2005 Report Posted March 18, 2005 The Beatles - Rubber Soul Patti Smith - Horses The Cure - Disintegration David Bowie - Aladdin Sane Roxy Music - Country Life If I'm ever bothered I'll justify these some other time.
Guest Fire and Knives Posted March 18, 2005 Report Posted March 18, 2005 Labor Days is the better album, but the sound of Bazooka Tooth suits me better. The last cover I posted was Porcupine Tree's Stupid Dream. Bringing It All Back Home is the first Dylan album that really impressed me. He was one of those artists whose work and influence I respected, but didn't necessarily like. Then I heard "Mr. Tambourine Man", bought Bringing It All back Home, and never looked back.
Nighthawk Posted March 18, 2005 Report Posted March 18, 2005 Frank Zappa is one of the few remaining well known and highly praised artists I have virtually no experience with, largely due to the question of where to begin. I shall acquire Freak Out and Sheik Yerbouti directly. Any input on Jazz From Hell? It seems like a concept I'd like. Some favorite albums from prolific artists: Prince - The Black Album Bowie - Man Who Sold the World Tom Waits - Rain Dogs Nick Cave - Was Murder Ballads for a while, but I've grown to prefer From Her to Eternity Foetus - Hole (probably the closest call on my list) Floyd - Animals Residents - Meet the Residents Lou Reed - Transformer
Zorin Industries Posted March 18, 2005 Report Posted March 18, 2005 Though that Bowie choice can change daily
Carnival Posted March 19, 2005 Report Posted March 19, 2005 Dark Lotus - Tales From the Lotus Pod(original) Insane Clown Posse - The Amazing Jeckel Brothers Twiztid - Mostasteless(re-issue) Blue October - Consent to Treatment Esham - KKKill the Fetus Atmosphere - Seven's Travels
Nighthawk Posted March 19, 2005 Report Posted March 19, 2005 You suck for listening to ICP, and Atmosphere are huge bitches, but I agree with you about Esham. Twiztid's best album was Freek Show (but god, what a name... Freak Show is the most cliche name ever, spelling it different doesn't change it).
Guest Agent of Oblivion Posted March 19, 2005 Report Posted March 19, 2005 Any input on Jazz From Hell? It seems like a concept I'd like. Synclavier orchestration, whatever that means to you. I don't own it but am to understand it's love it or hate it.
Guest Agent of Oblivion Posted March 19, 2005 Report Posted March 19, 2005 Any input on Jazz From Hell? It seems like a concept I'd like. Synclavier orchestration, whatever that means to you. I don't own it but am to understand it's love it or hate it. PS: you'd probably like Weasels Ripped My Flesh a great deal. Polyrhythmic free jazz meets noise meets pop orchestration. It's kind of related to Lumpy Gravy and We're Only In It For The Money, but stands alone better.
Carnival Posted March 19, 2005 Report Posted March 19, 2005 You suck for listening to ICP, and Atmosphere are huge bitches, but I agree with you about Esham. Twiztid's best album was Freek Show (but god, what a name... Freak Show is the most cliche name ever, spelling it different doesn't change it). ya freek show and mostasteless are both great. it's hard to choose. Esham has about 10 freakin albums i've only listened to like 3 all the way through. the others i just heard certain songs. but i thought KKKill the Fetus was his best. His new one comes out soon. he's trying hard to get on the radio with this one. good luck.
Epic Reine Posted March 19, 2005 Report Posted March 19, 2005 I deifnatley agree on Freek Show being the best Twiztid album, Different is a pretty good song. I was very, VERY dissapointed in Mirror Mirror.
Nighthawk Posted March 19, 2005 Report Posted March 19, 2005 Esham has about 10 freakin albums i've only listened to like 3 all the way through. the others i just heard certain songs. but i thought KKKill the Fetus was his best. Let me help you out then, because he's really good when he's good, but he's wildly uneven and a good deal of his stuff isn't worth it. KKKill the Fetus and Judgement Day, vol. 1 are his best albums. For most people I'd say just get those and leave it at that, but since you're into that scene you should be happy with Judgement Day, vol. 2 (not even close to as good as vol. 1) and Closed Casket. Beyond that, you're taking your chances. I personally really like Mail Dominance but most people don't. I like it because it's totally different from his usual stuff, which I suppose is most people's problem with it. All the Natas albums are good too, except Multikillionaire, feel free to skip that one, and I haven't heard Godlike.
Gary Floyd Posted March 20, 2005 Report Posted March 20, 2005 My List The Velvet Underground-Self Titled 3rd album My Bloody Valentine-Loveless Coil-Loves Secret Domain Cabaret Voltaire-The Crackdown Kraftwerk-TheMan Machine Depeche Mode-Music For the Masses Front Line Assembly-Tactical Neural Implant The Pharcyde-Bizzare Ride 2 the Pharcyde Pink Floyd-Meddle Alice in Chains-Jar of Flies Massive Attack-Mezzanine Aphex Twin-Selected Ambient Works 85-92 Led Zeppelin-III Ministry-The Mind Is a Terrible Thing to Taste Can-Tago Mago DJ Shadow-Endtroducing Public Image Limited-Second Edition New Order-Substance Amon Duul II-Yeti Faith No More-Angel Dust Godspeed You Blaxk Emperor-F#A# Fantomas-The Director's Cut Brian Eno-Before and After Science and there ya have it
The Czech Republic Posted March 20, 2005 Report Posted March 20, 2005 Any input on Jazz From Hell? It seems like a concept I'd like. Synclavier orchestration, whatever that means to you. I don't own it but am to understand it's love it or hate it. PS: you'd probably like Weasels Ripped My Flesh a great deal. Polyrhythmic free jazz meets noise meets pop orchestration. It's kind of related to Lumpy Gravy and We're Only In It For The Money, but stands alone better. Lumpy Gravy sucks. I got annoyed by it as soon as "Duodenum" ended. I'd rather not compare it to anything. Weasels Ripped My Flesh is pretty awesome, especially "The Orange County Lumber Truck." I always skip the title track though. As for Synclavier stuff, there's some to be found on Mothers of Prevention, and you're right, it's pretty love/hate. While it's technically sound, it really does sound cold, even though this was a synthesizer that cost like $150,000 in 1981 dollars. There's a real sterile feel to those tracks.
Zorin Industries Posted March 20, 2005 Report Posted March 20, 2005 Cabaret Voltaire-The Crackdown Agree strongly
Guest Agent of Oblivion Posted March 20, 2005 Report Posted March 20, 2005 So out of curiousity more than anything, I found Jazz from Hell in a store and picked it up along with Them or Us (which I haven't listened to yet). IDRM, you'd probably be in the "love it" camp. Fair warning though, it is indeed cold-sounding, and it's fairly dated in terms of the synth sound. "G-spot Tornado" and the title track are good stuff though. Contrary to popular belief Lumpy Gravy does not suck. Most zappa mutants that don't like it complain that there's too much talking on the album, and not enough orchestration. A correct assumption if you can't figure out that the album is all about production, and that it's We're Only...'s siamese twin. I don't like separating the two.
The Czech Republic Posted March 20, 2005 Report Posted March 20, 2005 It's just not enjoyable to listen to multiple times, at least for me. I might pick up One Size Fits All today. Or rather, whatever the record store has in stock. I seem to have cleaned them out over the year.
Nighthawk Posted March 21, 2005 Report Posted March 21, 2005 Yeah, it seems like the kind of thing I might dig. I'll probably make Jazz From Hell my fourth Zappa album after the two general and one specific recommendations.
The Czech Republic Posted March 21, 2005 Report Posted March 21, 2005 I ended up purchasing The Grand Wazoo and enjoyed it very much. It's too short though, but then again a lot of these fall between 32-38 minutes. It's about as good as Waka/Jawaka but not quite at the level of Hot Rats.
Guest Agent of Oblivion Posted March 21, 2005 Report Posted March 21, 2005 I've listened to it again, and it's 26 Mixes.. gay uncle, stuck in the early 80's, with a jazzy guitar solo and groove number that comes out of nowhere.
Carnival Posted March 21, 2005 Report Posted March 21, 2005 I personally really like Mail Dominance but most people don't. I like it because it's totally different from his usual stuff, which I suppose is most people's problem with it. All the Natas albums are good too, except Multikillionaire, feel free to skip that one, and I haven't heard Godlike. I really liked Mail Dominance too. I actually have a Mail Dominance shirt. I still don't get the title? I have all his albums I just haven't listened to them. I head Godlike is a good CD too, but i haven't listened to it. WWW.Com is my fav NATAS Cd.
Nighthawk Posted March 22, 2005 Report Posted March 22, 2005 I believe the title is a pun referencing email, as there seems to be a theme of the emergence and subsequent dominance of technology, email serving as the representative on that album and the internet for WWW.com, seeing as they came out around the same time and had similar subject matter. Well, you're stuck with them now, but I think you'll find that a lot of Esham's albums just suck, although you listen to ICP, so you could conceivably like anything. Personally, I can see how people get into him, seeing as he's the most legitimate associate of ICP (though not the best, Twiztid are still better than him), and they draw in a lot of business. I don't think he'd make it without their audience.
Carnival Posted March 22, 2005 Report Posted March 22, 2005 although you listen to ICP, so you could conceivably like anything. you ass
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