Guest Flyboy Report post Posted March 23, 2005 The Vikings just traded a big fast receiver, why immdediatley draft a WR, similiar to Moss? They didn't trade Moss because they didn't appreciate his talent -- they traded him because he's a cancer and as VX has as his subtitle a "malcontent". Them taking Williams or Edwards at #7 wouldn't surprise me at all. It would be like getting a Randy Moss without... the Randy Moss attitude. No way am I saying that those players are even in Randy's league yet, but you get what I'm aiming for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted March 23, 2005 I want CanadianChick to stop looking at this thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted March 23, 2005 The Vikings just traded a big fast receiver, why immdediatley draft a WR, similiar to Moss? They didn't trade Moss because they didn't appreciate his talent -- they traded him because he's a cancer and as VX has as his subtitle a "malcontent". Them taking Williams or Edwards at #7 wouldn't surprise me at all. It would be like getting a Randy Moss without... the Randy Moss attitude. No way am I saying that those players are even in Randy's league yet, but you get what I'm aiming for. Absolutley. It's more, I think the Vikings should go more the route of NE, and have more of a team receiver philosphy. Not that Edwards, or Williams can't do this, it's just more times than not someone picked that high, is accepeting or accepts to be the #1. guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted March 23, 2005 "Team receiver philosphy" and "running backs by committee" has never been favorites of mine. I still think you need that #1 player to go to, but with Moss being gone and if they don't get a WR in the first round I can definitely see Minnesota going that route. And, I actually think having Moss go down last season HELPED Culpepper as a QB so.. who knows? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted March 23, 2005 Agreed, about Culpepper. I don't even know, if i'd call it team receiver, but more like 3-4 guys are on equal footing in pressure situations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted March 23, 2005 Sorry for missing my first pick(although you picked who I would have taken anyway), I'll definitely make it for the rest of my picks though. Me too, Davis was my first choice. Sorry when I went to bed last night there were still 3 picks ahead of me. I'll pick Rounds 2-4 and leave a PM list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted March 23, 2005 Hey, if I come up and I'm not here, send me a message at pr0p43t1c1n3 over AIM. I've got the flu and I'll probably be laying down, so if you don't send it, prepare to wait twelve hours with no pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted March 23, 2005 You can PM with pin or I with your "big draft board" of your top 5 or so players and we can post it for you guys if you're going to be gone/away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted March 23, 2005 See the Vikings first pick for that. Pffft. Shaun Cody or Anttaj Hawthorne well have been a nice pick as well. James, Cody/Hawthorne, Udeze, and Kevin Williams for a defensive line? Very young and raw, but that's still a lot of talent. And why am I not shocked you wanted Davis for N.O. How many years now have you been begging for any secondary help, since at least Trufant isn't it? I just feel it was a bit of a reach for Webster. And, I've been wanting secondary help ever since we traded up and drafted (up to this point and I don't see it changing) a bust in Jonathan Sullivan.. fuckin' fatty. I like Thomas Davis because if we can't use him in the secondary, he could easily play an OLB for us which we need as well. If I would have taken a CB, it would have been Carlos Rogers instead of Webster -- I just find him to be the better prospect, IMO. My problem was that I was trying to pick from the guys who were left over after my top choices (Pac Man, Rolle, Barron, etc) were all off the board. I agree it was a stretch for Webster but I wasn't seeing anyone else that really jumped ahead of him on the O-line or in the backfield. Hell, I'd been tempted to go with the best available player but that was a HUGE lose-lose situation for the Saints, as the best available player appeared to be either Mark Clayton (WR) or Cadillac Williams (RB), which are both positions that the Saints are pretty stacked at. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted March 23, 2005 or in the backfield. Whoa, bro. I agree that Deuce needs a stellar backup because he has had some nagging ankle/foot injuries in the past couple of seasons, but taking a RB in the first round for us? Man, I don't care if Benson, Brown, or Williams were all on the board for us.. that we be crazy. This draft really is RB-deep... just like last year's draft was WR-deep. You can wait until the 3rd or 4th round and I still think you will get a decent backup for Deuce. Clayton wouldn't have been too bad, although, if they do pull that instead of defensive this year I'll be pissed... but with Horn getting older, Stallworth being... Stallworth, Devery Henderson still learning the ropes of the NFL -- it wouldn't be a bad pick, but the Saints' just our good enough to start taking the best available player yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted March 23, 2005 or in the backfield. Whoa, bro. I agree that Deuce needs a stellar backup because he has had some nagging ankle/foot injuries in the past couple of seasons, but taking a RB in the first round for us? Man, I don't care if Benson, Brown, or Williams were all on the board for us.. that we be crazy. This draft really is RB-deep... just like last year's draft was WR-deep. You can wait until the 3rd or 4th round and I still think you will get a decent backup for Deuce. I meant the *defensive* backfield, not a running back. See the addendum to my previous message. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted March 23, 2005 Ooooh, defensive backfield. I gotcha now -- I was like, "Whoa. RB in the first round?" All is good now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prime Time Andrew Doyle 0 Report post Posted March 23, 2005 With the 19th Pick, The St. Louis Rams select Jammal Brown Offensive Tackle Oklahoma Senior 6'6 | 313 | 5.20 40 Yard Dash HOME TOWN: Lawton, OK HIGH SCHOOL: MacArthur Analysis: Tall and lean tackle who is very athletic and technically sound. Sets his feet up very well with a nice base and has is very quick with his movement. Has very long arms and is able to use them to keep defenders away from his body. Has good strength and is rarely off balance and is almost never overpowered. As a run blocker, Brown is a good straight ahead pile mover. He stays low and drives defenders and does a nice job of finishing off blocks strongly. Playing in a system where WR screens and short slants are common, he's often cutting defenders to avoid having those passes batted down, something he likely will not do at the NFL level. He's played the right side every year at OU and that will be his position in the pros. Overall: Has the size and athletic ability along with the technique to be a top NFL tackle for years. Most NFL teams looking for a tackle in the top 10 will tend to look towards left tackles since that is the right handed QB's blind side, but that shouldn't keep Brown from being a top 15-20 selection. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted March 23, 2005 Good pick, although they just signed Pace to a long-term deal, they might be able to get him to play Turley's position if he doesn't come back or whatever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UZI Suicide 0 Report post Posted March 23, 2005 With the 20th pick, the Dallas Cowboys select Brodney Pool, FS from Oklahoma College: Oklahoma Height: 6-1 Position: Safety Weight: 207 Class: Junior 40-Yard: 4.54 SCOUTING REPORT Strengths: Has great size...Good speed...Has been very productive...Very good in coverage with excellent instincts...Is a good tackler and will play the run...A playmaker with a nose for the ball...Very good athletic ability...Still has upside and is a potential impact player. Weaknesses: Willing and gives good effort but not a force against the run...Not really the physical presence Roy Williams or Donte Nicholson were...Was aided by a very strong supporting cast...Struggled a bit as a junior. Notes: Excellent prospect who really stands out on a very talented defensive unit...Other than Roy Williams he could be be the best defensive back the Sooners have produced, which is saying something when you consider Andre Woolfolk and Derrick Strait have come out of there the last couple of years. from: nfldraftcountdown.com -------------- I picked him basically because with Darren Woodson gone, the Cowboys are in dire need of a safety. Specifically a "center fielder" type of safety who can hold his own in coverage, allowing Roy Williams to play up close to the box. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaMarka 0 Report post Posted March 23, 2005 I totally understand that -- just like STL picking Steven Jackson last year, but I'm just saying Minnesota's depth is so deep at running back and they have other holes to still address. I don't agree with their linebacking corps being "decent"... they underachieve greatly, but there is no LB I would have taken at #17 since DJ is gone. I'm not up on all the FA signings, but I know that Chavous isn't getting younger and Russell is HORRID in coverage.. or horrible as a safety in general... Thomas Davis would have been pro. Or Mark Clayton since they do have a glaring hole at the WR position now -- that's all I'm saying. Yeah, I'm not a gigantic fan of their linebacking corps, but it's already has three youngish guys. Dontarrius Thomas, EJ Henderson, and Napolean Harris. Plus they added Sam Cowart, a vet, via trade. It is a weak link, but I think the team doesn't need another young guy here, they could maybe use another solid veteran who won't screw up. Chavous is pretty solid, and his replacement can be drafted next year or later. Russell is crap, but the Vikings signed Darren Sharper from the Pack; him and Chavous, plus Smoot and Winfield at corner give the Vikings a very good secondary. You might be proven completely right about Clayton, and a smaller guy could compliment the biggish receivers the Vikings already have. If he's anywhere as good as Steve Smith pre-injury, he'd be an excellent pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted March 23, 2005 Ah, yes -- I forgot that the Vikings signed the rival Darren Sharper. I knew I was forgetting one of their free agency secondary signings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sass 0 Report post Posted March 23, 2005 I want CanadianChick to stop looking at this thread. hahaha, d00d grlz dont watch f00tball~ CC's from Canadia too so that would possibly entice her even *less* to see what us barbarians are rambling about in this thread. The CFL shreds and all but it's still not the NFL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlwaysPissedOff 0 Report post Posted March 23, 2005 With the 21st pick in the TSM NFL Mock Draft, the Jacksonvlle Jaguars select Dan Cody, Defensive End, Oklahoma. Player: Dan Cody Position: Defensive End Height: 6'5 1/2 Weight: 254 40 time: 4.75 Strengths: Has a good frame and can carry more weight...Very productive...Good athlete...Very tough and competitive and is always giving 100%...Smart and instinctive...Good pass rusher...Solid versus the run...Shows good technique...Developed into a team leader. Weaknesses: Has some character concerns after he quit the football team in 2001 to be treated for depression...Needs to bulk up and get bigger...Has to hit the weight room and work on his strength...May be a bit of a DE / OLB 'tweener without a true position at the next level. My reasoning: The Jaguars defensive line is known for only it's DTs for a reason and that's because ever since both Henderson and Stroud arrived, the DEs have been very dissapointing in producing sacks and stopping the run at the corners. With the aquisition of Denver's Hayward this off-season and hopefully a complete recovery for Paul Spicer, the depth of the defensive end position and the growth of Cody(putting on some more weight, learning the schemes) will play a major role in shoring up one of the few weaknesses on a young and vastly improving defensive unit. Now, as far as shoring up the CB position by getting a compliment to Rashean Mathis, there are a fair amount of good-to-decent corners in this year's draft, so picking up a good corner in the second or third round is pretty good, so there's no need to get one in the first round and pass on improving a weak point on the defensive line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted March 23, 2005 Baltimore (marvin) is up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted March 23, 2005 With the 21st pick in the TSM NFL Mock Draft, the Jacksonvlle Jaguars select Dan Cody, Defensive End, Oklahoma. Analysis will be edited in later. The FUCK do the Jags need help on their d-line for? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prime Time Andrew Doyle 0 Report post Posted March 23, 2005 With the 21st pick in the TSM NFL Mock Draft, the Jacksonvlle Jaguars select Dan Cody, Defensive End, Oklahoma. Analysis will be edited in later. The FUCK do the Jags need help on their d-line for? You can't have enough good ends, especially with the fact the Jags D-Line only had 11.5 sacks last year, although if I was in charge of the Jags, I would have taken CB Carlos Rogers from Auburn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MARTYEWR 0 Report post Posted March 24, 2005 I want CanadianChick to stop looking at this thread. hahaha, d00d grlz dont watch f00tball~ CC's from Canadia too so that would possibly entice her even *less* to see what us barbarians are rambling about in this thread. The CFL shreds and all but it's still not the NFL. Since you brought it up, we follow the NFL quite a bit up here. Office pools and all are quite big, and there's more than a few fans who have their own team to cheer for. The Grey Cup still gets a higher TV audience up here than the Super Bowl does, but with the NFL's growth over the years, so has its population north of the border. And yes, there's many Raider fans, Sass. BTW, and like the above paragraph, completely off-topic, but would anyone mind a weekly CFL column here? I realize I'm not a hired writer or anything, but I'm more than capable of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaMarka 0 Report post Posted March 24, 2005 I'm a Canadian as well, somehow ended up as a Vikings fan. You'd think I'd be cheering on Detroit, the namesake of my local BC Lions, but instead I root for a division rival. Go figure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted March 24, 2005 Fuckers are taking way too long to make their picks. I'm leaving on vacation tommorrow around 9:30am or so, so I doubt the two guys ahead of me will be making their picks, so I'll just go ahead and PM my draft pick to pinjockey. Hopefully I'll get who I'm looking for.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted March 24, 2005 It would be best to PM him your top 5 choices just in case as you're gone, your sole choice is taken by someone ahead of you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted March 24, 2005 He gave me three people, so he'll be covered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted March 24, 2005 I hope to god my first selection is the Packers' actual first selection. I'll explain why after I come back from vacation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted March 24, 2005 This should make someone *hmm* happy around here. The Baltimore Ravens select Mark Clayton, WR, Oklahoma I should note that every mock draft board I've seen so far has Clayton going in the top 15, so to see him there at the Ravens pick is a bonus. Im sure if he's there in real life, the Ravens will pretty much have to draft him. They really needed a sure handed WR that catches most of whats thrown to him, basically being the Anti-Travis Taylor that they just dumped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted March 24, 2005 Seattle (rant) is up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
