Why all the Orton hate?

[nl5xsk1 0]

That's really why? Matt and Edge couldn't put aside personal grudges, and competed in a match with each other?

Why would Hardy want to put aside the fact that "a friend" was fucking his girlfriend? If I found out that one of my co-workers was banging my girlfriend, I'd most assuredly find a way to beat the fuck out of him. So if my company put me and him in a situation where I could "accidentally" stiff him as hard as I could, I would.

 

Why wouldn't Hardy want to fuck Edge up?

[notJames 0]

I'm down with the apathy vote. Nothing about Orton screams Main Event, not even the slightest. And he definitely tries too hard without succeeding. Even his finisher looks contrived most of the time. I can't be bothered with watching him, unless he's on the receiving end of a Benoit chop. Or twelve.

 

Side note: whenever he does that fey little pose of his, I always yell out "I caught a fish this big!"

[AndrewTS 0]

Better question: why does anybody like Orton?

[Guest Thrashist]

Interesting to see how most people now dislike Orton even though throughout most of 2004 they were singing his praises.

 

My feeling on Orton then was, here's a guy put into great angles against established veterans and he's doing only a passable job to move the story along. I could tell there was absolutely nothing to the individual character, and that once Orton was forced to stand on his own two feet, he would be shit. Turns out that's what happened, and I'm glad most of the net fans feel the same way. Lex Luger 2005 indeed.

 

BTW, I don't have the same bad feeling about Batista's situation as I did when Orton was removed from an Evolution-related environment. He's going to do well as a main event face. Certainly not as over as he is now, but Batista's personality comes off as likeable and that's why his popularity multiplied. Orton started getting face pops only because he was booked as a cocky heel relative to weak faces, but he had never really been likeable as a heel (and certainly not recently as a face).

[Guest MikeSC]

Umm, Orton was trashed for a nice chunk of 2004. His match with Foley was ridiculously over-praised, but by and large, people thought he was getting too much too soon.

-=Mike

[Downhome 0]

Side note: whenever he does that fey little pose of his, I always yell out "I caught a fish this big!"

That's just another reason I am not too fond of him now, I hate that pose. It's more laughable a pose than Kamala's in my eyes.

[Guest cosbywasmurdered]

Interesting to see how most people now dislike Orton even though throughout most of 2004 they were singing his praises.

Link plz.

[Some Guy 0]

I hate Orton because I think he's everything wrong in wrestling.

 

He walked into WWE offices, and said "Hello, I'm Bob Orton's son, I'm built pretty well, and chicks think I'm hot. Can I have a job?" so they gave him the fucking world title. He got pushed because of his name and the way he looks, not because of any skills whatsoever. As everyone else has said, his matches, while not really BAD, aren't good. At all. They're boring and bland. And yet, because of his name and look, he may very well end the streak, while wrestlers a thousand times more talented, who lack the look and the name, get NOTHING.

 

That's why I hate Orton. That, and he just looks like a complete queef. That's the only way I can describe the guy.

Do you hate The Rock too? He quite leterally went to Pat Patterson and did the same thing that you claim Orton did. Both guys won the world title 2 years after they debuted in the company. I suppose the main difference between the two was that Orton got over and then got shit on by the fans, Rock got shit on and then got over. I'm not at all saying that Orton is anywhere close to the level of Rock's talents or charisma, but Rock was was not a very good worker until 2000 or so, 4 years after he debuted and 2 years after he first won the title. Give Orton a chance, he'll get better. The guy is 24 years old, that's a baby in wrestling, he's probably not even a 5 year pro yet, it took HHH 6 years to become a good worker and that was working with top talent. Orton has had two feuds with good workers (Benoit and HHH) and had good matches with them. He's a better worker and interview 4 or 5 years into the business than HHH, Rock, Foley, and several other top talents were at that stage in their careers. And certainly better than Batista in both departments and better than Cena and JBL in the ring. He's probably in the top ten in WWE in terms of overall skills (look, workrate, and promos). Orton still has a lot of work to do to get better but he is already in a position where he can succeed and putting him over Taker will be another big step to him becoming a superstar. If it doen't work out, then what has been lost? Taker's winning streak at WM? Who gives a shit, wrestling is a fucking work and Taker is 42 yeras old he doesn't need the streak to get a pop, he's had 15 years of burying people, tons of TV time, and the best gimmick in the history of wrestling to ensure that he gets that. Losing at WM will do nothing to hurt Taker and will a hell of a lot to help Orton. I don't see what the problem is. HHH got over by being pushed to the moon for an entire year and beating true legends in the business (Austin, Rock, and Foley) and getting to marry Vince's daughter. It worked. Orton got over by beating midcarders like RVD and one legend (Foley). Give Orton half the HHH push and he'll be just as big a star as HHH. He has already proven that it takes less of a push to more more heel heat than "The Game".

[Guest cosbywasmurdered]

Hey SG, I agree with some of what your saying but I think Rock was an ok worker before 2000. Also, It'd be easier to read what you said if you used paragraphs. Not a critisicm, just a thought.

[Some Guy 0]

Hey SG, I agree with some of what your saying but I think Rock was an ok worker before 2000. Also, It'd be easier to read what you said if you used paragraphs. Not a critisicm, just a thought.

Sometimes I don't realize how mush I type and get on a roll, so paragraphs breaks don't always happen.

 

Rock was an ok worker before 2000, but not great. Orton is a better worker now than Rock was at the same stage of his WWE career. Once again, I am not saying that Orton will be anywhere close to as successful as Rock. It's just a comparsion of 3rd generation wrestlers who got strong pushes right out of the gate.

[Guest Jack Potts]

I'm fairly apathetic to Orton, but like many of the wrestlers in the WWE, I don't think the WWE played to his strengths.

 

We all pretty much agree that Orton comes across like an overbearing frat boy, so that's the type of heel he should play. The first mistake the WWE made was making him cut his hair when he came back to Evolution. The RNN-style frat boy cut was perfect for his character.

 

If the WWE wants to salvage Randy, they should let Stacy decide to stay with him, despite the RKO. She could even start acting a little more heelish, but a little conflicted, too. That would add a dimension to Randy's character, as a corrupting, dark, but affable jerk. He would never do anything as overt as the RKO again, but his demeanor toward Stacy would have an air of charming menace.

I think it could lead to monster heat for Randy, because we've all all pined for the pretty girl who stays with the jerk we know is no good for her. Would it be politically correct? No. Would it create an interesting dynamic, with the potential for good TV? I think so.

[Guest cosbywasmurdered]

Hey SG, I agree with some of what your saying but I think Rock was an ok worker before 2000. Also, It'd be easier to read what you said if you used paragraphs. Not a critisicm, just a thought.

Sometimes I don't realize how mush I type and get on a roll, so paragraphs breaks don't always happen.

 

Rock was an ok worker before 2000, but not great. Orton is a better worker now than Rock was at the same stage of his WWE career. Once again, I am not saying that Orton will be anywhere close to as successful as Rock. It's just a comparsion of 3rd generation wrestlers who got strong pushes right out of the gate.

What was Rock doing at that point? If he was in the Nation he was already more entertaining than Orton was. Orton's problem is that he's incredibly bland and vanilla, the most he can really get from me is apathy. The only time he was really intersting was when he was massacaring Foley, and Foley can make almost anyone interesting.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Orton's a really great heel worker with great charisma.

[King Cucaracha 0]

I agree with above. Except for 'great charisma', which he clearly hasn't.

 

I've always been a fan of heel Orton. His in-ring work is up to the standards the WWE wants for the top liners. He's had good matches on a pretty regular basis. And that's not just with Benoit, Jericho and others who can 'make him look good' as others say. He's had good matches with RVD, Shelton, Edge, HBK, Foley (albeit overrated. But then again, so was Angle/Marty), HHH (the match they had on Raw was very good, the Rumble match was better), Flair, Batista, Val Venis. He can work, to WWE standards.

 

The pose is better as a heel. He forces it WAY too much as a face. Still, the hate for that and his theme music always comes off as 'oh, look, another possible reason to hate Orton' from most people.

 

But, even as a fan, I'll admit...he's missing that 'x factor' that'll take him from 'decent worker' to 'money star'. And that's the crucial thing that goes against him.

[Some Guy 0]

Hey SG, I agree with some of what your saying but I think Rock was an ok worker before 2000. Also, It'd be easier to read what you said if you used paragraphs. Not a critisicm, just a thought.

Sometimes I don't realize how mush I type and get on a roll, so paragraphs breaks don't always happen.

 

Rock was an ok worker before 2000, but not great. Orton is a better worker now than Rock was at the same stage of his WWE career. Once again, I am not saying that Orton will be anywhere close to as successful as Rock. It's just a comparsion of 3rd generation wrestlers who got strong pushes right out of the gate.

What was Rock doing at that point? If he was in the Nation he was already more entertaining than Orton was. Orton's problem is that he's incredibly bland and vanilla, the most he can really get from me is apathy. The only time he was really intersting was when he was massacaring Foley, and Foley can make almost anyone interesting.

I think Orton debuted in june of 2002 so that's 2 years and 9 month ago. Rock debuted in Nov 96, two years and 9 months later would August 98 so Rock was feuding with HHH and having the Ladder Match at Summerslam 98, the second most over guy in the company and 2 months away from his first WWF title. I'd say that Orton is a better worker now than Rock was then, the very good ladder match notwithstanding. I never said that Orton was more entertaining than the Rock, just that he was a better worker up the same point in their respective careers.

 

Now that I think of it Orton, actually did have a similar career path, in that he debuted as a bouncing babyface rookie, didn't get over, got hurt and came back as a heel in the biggest heel group in the company and got over to the point he didn't need the group anymore, with the main difference being that Rock was allowed to continue to get over by beating the former leader of the group and taking over to become the top heel in the WWF, while Orton was prematurely turned face and beaten by the leader of the group he was in, thus ensuring that the fans realized that HHH is in fact soley responible for Orton's rise and was capable at any time of causing his fall. Had Orton been kept heel and taken over Evolution and beaten HHH, he'd be the most over guy in the company right now, but HHH knew that and made sure it didn't happen.

 

 

I even used paragraphs, in this post. See, I'm learning.

[AndrewTS 0]

Give Orton a chance, he'll get better.

 

I have no problems with this statement for a new guy who may not be making much progress right away, or has had a string of poor matches, if he's just going to be a midcarder. However, not for a guy WWE wants to be a main eventer ready for the spotlight *right now*. He should get better first, not later.

 

Do you hate The Rock too?

 

I can't see Orton ever being half as good as the Rock. When Rocky still really, really sucked, he was only as high as the Intercontinental Title. Orton is a lot better than Rock was then, but Rock was consistently a hell of a lot more entertaining by the time he'd won his first WWF Title than Orton had been.

 

Whether or not you agree with it, you're trying to use Rock as the one exception while ignoring all the other failures. However, the reason Orton's career resembles Rock's so much is that they *deliberately* tried to follow the same course as Rock, thinking that it was their own brilliant booking that got Rock over, and excepted that same accident to occur again.

 

That's why I hate Orton. That, and he just looks like a complete queef. That's the only way I can describe the guy.

 

I'll agree with that. Whoever says he has "the look" makes me question WTF "the look" is actually supposed to be. Is "the look" just a way of saying "tall white male"? The guy doesn't look like a star to me, and he still looks a scrawny, if well-toned, jobber AFAIC.

[Some Guy 0]

Do you hate The Rock too?

 

I can't see Orton ever being half as good as the Rock. When Rocky still really, really sucked, he was only as high as the Intercontinental Title. Orton is a lot better than Rock was then, but Rock was consistently a hell of a lot more entertaining by the time he'd won his first WWF Title than Orton had been.

 

Whether or not you agree with it, you're trying to use Rock as the one exception while ignoring all the other failures. However, the reason Orton's career resembles Rock's so much is that they *deliberately* tried to follow the same course as Rock, thinking that it was their own brilliant booking that got Rock over, and excepted that same accident to occur again.

 

No, I used the Rock as an example because he go this job in WWF the same way as you claim Orton did. I think Orton may have even trained outside of WWF territory for a while before, which the Rock really didn't (besides some workouts with his dad) before getting signed and shipped to Memphis.

 

I know that they used the same mold to book Orton and it has worked to the extent that it can with someone who doesn't have Rock's charisma, which is absolutely out of this world.

 

Orton is in roughly the same spot on the card as Rock was at this point in there careers, I outlined that in my previous post, which went up at the same time as your's.

 

EDIT: By "the look" I meant that he has a body that stands out from the rest of the pack and is a good looking kid, as evidenced by him banging Stacy Kiebler. Being white has nothing to do with it. I think he should probably wear long tights as that might make him look a little thicker and not as lanky. He has a similar body to Rick Rude, minus about 15 lbs of roided on muscle, which is not to say that orton himself isn't on the juice. He probably is.

[Vern Gagne 0]

That's really why? Matt and Edge couldn't put aside personal grudges, and competed in a match with each other?

Why would Hardy want to put aside the fact that "a friend" was fucking his girlfriend? If I found out that one of my co-workers was banging my girlfriend, I'd most assuredly find a way to beat the fuck out of him. So if my company put me and him in a situation where I could "accidentally" stiff him as hard as I could, I would.

 

Why wouldn't Hardy want to fuck Edge up?

What, and get arrested for assault. Cheating on your boyfriend, with his friend is low, but it's not a crime. Beating the guy up, is.

[AndrewTS 0]

Orton is in roughly the same spot on the card as Rock was at this point in there careers, I outlined that in my previous post, which went up at the same time as your's.

Okay, fair enough.

 

with the main difference being that Rock was allowed to continue to get over by beating the former leader of the group and taking over to become the top heel in the WWF, while Orton was prematurely turned face and beaten by the leader of the group he was in, thus ensuring that the fans realized that HHH is in fact soley responible for Orton's rise and was capable at any time of causing his fall. Had Orton been kept heel and taken over Evolution and beaten HHH, he'd be the most over guy in the company right now, but HHH knew that and made sure it didn't happen.

 

Most over guy in the company? Eh, well, in the absence of anybody with the presence of a Rock or Austin, I think possible although I have my doubts.

 

Regardless, would NEVER, EVER have happened. However, doesn't Orton have himself partly to blame for the face turn, since supposedly he wanted in it the first place and even recently had been reluctant to turn heel? It's silly to talk about the WWE screwing him if that was the case.

 

Of course, HHH could have talked him into it.

 

It would have been funny to see HHH fighting to keep his bitch Ric, and I believe most people on the board actually expected HHH to be kicked out, not Randy.

[AndrewTS 0]

That's really why? Matt and Edge couldn't put aside personal grudges, and competed in a match with each other?

Why would Hardy want to put aside the fact that "a friend" was fucking his girlfriend? If I found out that one of my co-workers was banging my girlfriend, I'd most assuredly find a way to beat the fuck out of him. So if my company put me and him in a situation where I could "accidentally" stiff him as hard as I could, I would.

 

Why wouldn't Hardy want to fuck Edge up?

What, and get arrested for assault. Cheating on your boyfriend, with his friend is low, but it's not a crime. Beating the guy up, is.

It's very hard for charges like that to hold up for an incident that occurred in a wrestling match. That's why that shithead Holly likes to stiff people so much in matches.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Do you hate The Rock too?  He quite leterally went to Pat Patterson and did the same thing that you claim Orton did.

 

First off, I didn't claim that; it was on an episode of Confidential. It wasn't worded quite like that, but they did say that he just walked into the office one day and got a job.

 

And no, I don't hate the Rock, though I did when he first came in and started getting way over-pushed. However, when he eventually grew into his role and became over, then I started to like the Rock. But yeah, I did used to hate him too.

 

Give Orton a chance, he'll get better.

 

Why should we wait for a guy who's ALREADY in the main event to get better, when the WWE could easily hire about a hundred workers who are ALREADY good enough to be in the main event?

 

And certainly better than Batista in both departments and better than Cena and JBL in the ring.

 

Batista must be more charismatic then Orton. Why? Because ALL Batista ever did was hang out with HHH, and now he's the current golden boy. Why? Because they put him on TV, gave him a nice little push, he got over, so they pushed him more.

 

Orton had to be pushed. And pushed and pushed and pushed, and put over "legends" just to get the response he does now, which is nothing compared to Batista these days.

 

This, to me, is the biggest problem in wrestling today. The WWE hand-picks guys to be world champions before they event debut on TV, and then they FORCE fans to like them, come hell or high water. To me, that is a ridiculous way to conduct business, when they could just as easily put guys on TV with no expectations, and see who the FANS respond to better. The, they could use the FANS reactions to decide who gets the big push. It should have little/nothing to do with your look and/or name.

 

He's probably in the top ten in WWE in terms of overall skills (look, workrate, and promos).

 

WTF? You must be watching a different WWE then I am. The guys looks like a douche, has about 4 moves (two of which are chinlocks) and cuts half-decent promos. If that qualifies for top ten, then the fed is in much sadder shape then I thought.

 

Losing at WM will do nothing to hurt Taker and will a hell of a lot to help Orton.

 

Unless, of course, as others have pointed out, it leads to nothing but a fan backlash on Orton. Orton has HAD his pushes, he's HAD his chance to get over. You can't put all your eggs in one basket - if he can't get over on what he's had, then why give him the streak? The streak, if done right, could put someone who's never had a strong push over HUGE and cement them in the main event. Why spend it on the guy who you've already pushed harder then hell, and still isn't that over?

 

HHH got over by being pushed to the moon for an entire year and beating true legends in the business (Austin, Rock, and Foley) and getting to marry Vince's daughter.  It worked.

 

HHH is still over these days because he goes over EVERYONE ON THE FUCKING ROSTER ALL THE GODDAMNED TIME AND WINS EVERY SINGLE FEUD. Again, *I* could be over with treatment like that. Do you *really* think it'd be worth putting Orton over everyone, all the time, to keep him over? Because it may take that.

[natey2k4 0]

to ditch the dead weight in the ladder match, ie. Christian.

 

What?!?!?!? Christian is one of the best things we have going in Wrestling right now and you call him dead weight? Christian is awesome, and I among others thing he has a chance at winning, because no one else would lose momentum and Christian would then be a solid upper mid-card.

[AndrewTS 0]

"The guys looks like a douche"

 

and punches like one, too.

[Jericholic82 0]

I dont hate orton. He didnt make a good face, but yet I tried to just accept it an dmove on cuz complaining all the time gets us nowhere so you might as well just accept it and find something else to enjoy in wwe.

 

His push did come too soon. and so did his turn. Maybe if he had stayed with evo after summerslam, with Trips turning on him months later or the opposite, Orton turning on Trips and taking over evo would have worked much better. They took any credibility Orton had and flushed it away by having him immediately lost the title. Perhaps they should have had Benoit retain at summerslam, but by only the closetst of margins. That could sew the seeds of dissention in evo cuz Trips would see orton as a possible threat. Trips wins the title from Benoit at perhaps unforgiven, maybe survivor series to make it better. continue a teased rift in evo, then have randy do the batista thing in jan and win the rumble, but decide to face Trips instead. That might have worked, but Batista probably did a better job in hindsight.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Batista and HHH had a slow build.

 

I still say that HHH played a considerable part in getting Batista over. He made him look a threat week in and week out for a good period of time, in more ways than just saying 'You are the future'.

 

Whever Orton would have been Batista over with a slow build instead of being jobbed out in under a month...doubtful. But he'd certainly be better off than he is now.

[Some Guy 0]

with the main difference being that Rock was allowed to continue to get over by beating the former leader of the group and taking over to become the top heel in the WWF, while Orton was prematurely turned face and beaten by the leader of the group he was in, thus ensuring that the fans realized that HHH is in fact soley responible for Orton's rise and was capable at any time of causing his fall. Had Orton been kept heel and taken over Evolution and beaten HHH, he'd be the most over guy in the company right now, but HHH knew that and made sure it didn't happen.

 

Most over guy in the company? Eh, well, in the absence of anybody with the presence of a Rock or Austin, I think possible although I have my doubts.

 

Rock and Austin aren't around. If the Orton/HHH feud went the way it should have then he would be the most over heel in the company, or at least on Raw. Take a cocky young punk and put him in a postition where he talks shit and backs it up and you have a guy who is easy to hate and not one who you'd hate to see.

 

Regardless, would NEVER, EVER have happened.  However, doesn't Orton have himself partly to blame for the face turn, since supposedly he wanted in it the first place and even recently had been reluctant to turn heel?  It's silly to talk about the WWE screwing him if that was the case.

 

I know it wouldn't have happened and it obviously didn't. Orton is a 24 year old kid who is probably a mark for having young girls pop for him. He doesn't know any better. If the company was being run by people who wanted it to suceed then they would have told him that turning face at that point would hurt him.

 

Of course, HHH could have talked him into it. 

 

Wouldn't suprise me in the least. Everybody and their sister knew that HHH should have been the one to turn face and battle with an Orton led Evolution. But HHH knows that he's not a good babyface, as evidenced by him being eclisped by a 50 year old man the last time he tried it.

 

It would have been funny to see HHH fighting to keep his bitch Ric, and I believe most people on the board actually expected HHH to be kicked out, not Randy.

 

Yes it would have and the board was right on that one.

 

 

Metal Maniac:

And no, I don't hate the Rock, though I did when he first came in and started getting way over-pushed. However, when he eventually grew into his role and became over, then I started to like the Rock. But yeah, I did used to hate him too.

 

So, you hated Rock until he got better, which he did while being pushed into the ME. The same thing will happen with Orton.

 

Why should we wait for a guy who's ALREADY in the main event to get better, when the WWE could easily hire about a hundred workers who are ALREADY good enough to be in the main event?

 

Because there aren't hundreds of workers good enough to ME and at this point there are probably about 6 in the whole company who are close to credible as ME guys, because so many people have been buried.

 

Batista must be more charismatic then Orton. Why? Because ALL Batista ever did was hang out with HHH, and now he's the current golden boy. Why? Because they put him on TV, gave him a nice little push, he got over, so they pushed him more.

 

Batista got over because people perceived him as a threat to HHH. As soon as they realize that he isn't they'll stop caring.

 

Orton had to be pushed. And pushed and pushed and pushed, and put over "legends" just to get the response he does now, which is nothing compared to Batista these days.

 

Orton was over enough by the time he won the title that he was getting face pops in Canada against Chris Benoit as a heel. To rehash this again, when they turned him face and jobbed him to HHH instead of the other way around they killed his heat.

 

This, to me, is the biggest problem in wrestling today. The WWE hand-picks guys to be world champions before they event debut on TV, and then they FORCE fans to like them, come hell or high water. To me, that is a ridiculous way to conduct business, when they could just as easily put guys on TV with no expectations, and see who the FANS respond to better. The, they could use the FANS reactions to decide who gets the big push. It should have little/nothing to do with your look and/or name.

 

I agree with you. But, they have already pushed this kid a lot, the fans know that he is capable of getting back there and would believe in him again is he was booked properly. Why flush this kid down the shitter when so much time has already been spent in the past to get him over and he proved that with the right booking he is capable of getting over? He's a talent, whether you like him or not. I;m not saying he is all that great, but he is at a point where he could potentially draw money for the company. Why not let him?

 

He's probably in the top ten in WWE in terms of overall skills (look, workrate, and promos).

 

 

 

WTF? You must be watching a different WWE then I am. The guys looks like a douche, has about 4 moves (two of which are chinlocks) and cuts half-decent promos. If that qualifies for top ten, then the fed is in much sadder shape then I thought.

 

Name ten guys who have a better workrate, mic skills, and look in WWE right now (I mean individual who have that combon of those skills, not ten guy who are better workers, ten guys with better mic skill, etc..).

He's not a great worker by any stretch, he's not great promo guy, and he doesn't have the best look. But he has enough of each to be a total package and has improved enough in the last few years to make me think that he will continue to et better. He's 24, he'll get better.

 

Losing at WM will do nothing to hurt Taker and will a hell of a lot to help Orton.

 

Unless, of course, as others have pointed out, it leads to nothing but a fan backlash on Orton. Orton has HAD his pushes, he's HAD his chance to get over. You can't put all your eggs in one basket - if he can't get over on what he's had, then why give him the streak? The streak, if done right, could put someone who's never had a strong push over HUGE and cement them in the main event. Why spend it on the guy who you've already pushed harder then hell, and still isn't that over?

 

What push has he recieved outside of the last 3 weeks since turning face? Jobbing cleanly to HHH does not constitute a push in my book. I'm not putting al my eggs in one basket. Having Taker lose a match is not putting eggs in one basket, it is an attempt to create a superstar. If the fans shit on it then they shit on and you move on. Refusing to push someone because there is a possibility that the fans might shit on it would paralyze the company and no one would get pushed. That is how it actually is working right now. Why would you put a guy who hasn't been pushed over Taker? That would get shit on. If they threw Chris Masters or any other unpushed guy in the match and put him over Taker people would hate it.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

So, you hated Rock until he got better, which he did while being pushed into the ME. The same thing will happen with Orton.

 

I sincerely doubt it, firstly because Orton annoys me a hell of a lot more then the Rock ever did, and secondly because I don't think it's possible for Orton to get as much better as the Rock did.

 

Because there aren't hundreds of workers good enough to ME and at this point there are probably about 6 in the whole company who are close to credible as ME guys, because so many people have been buried.

 

I would argue that there ARE at least a hundred workers out there (as in, not in the WWE) who are more qualified to be ME in the WWE, based on their skills and experience as compared to Orton's.

 

And if the WWE is dumb enough to bury everyone, that's THEIR problem. As a fan, I won't take "we already ruined everyone you like, so start liking this guy instead" as an excuse.

 

Batista got over because people perceived him as a threat to HHH. As soon as they realize that he isn't they'll stop caring.

 

I agree. But notice how much less effort it took to get Batista over as opposed to Orton?

 

He's a talent, whether you like him or not. I;m not saying he is all that great, but he is at a point where he could potentially draw money for the company. Why not let him?

 

Because I think there's much better wrestlers on the roster who could out-draw Orton with ease if they were given half the push he was.

 

Name ten guys who have a better workrate, mic skills, and look in WWE right now

 

Off the top of my head...

 

Eddie, Benoit, Rey Jr, Cena, JBL, HHH, Batista, Jericho, Booker T, HBK, Edge, and I'll stop there.

 

And yeah, not all of these guys are stellar in all those catagories, but most of them, in my eyes, are only really lacking in one spot, and they make up for it strongly in others. And besides, you admitted yourself that Orton is lacking in ALL those catagories.

 

He's 24, he'll get better.

 

In the next two weeks before WM?

 

Having Taker lose a match is not putting eggs in one basket

 

No, putting Orton over a score of legends, making him the youngest WWE Champ AND (potentially) putting him over the Undertaker is putting all your eggs in one basket.

 

If the fans shit on it then they shit on and you move on.

 

And lose money. And the chance to use this exact opportunity to put someone over who actually deserves it.

 

Why would you put a guy who hasn't been pushed over Taker?

 

I wouldn't. But I sure as hell wouldn't even think about putting someone over 'Taker who got fairly substantial boos (as a FACE) just for mentioning that he challenged the Undertaker to a match. I'd also build to it much more then a month in advance and establish a feud between whoever it is I'd theoretically book 'Taker against.

 

If they threw Chris Masters or any other unpushed guy in the match and put him over Taker people would hate it.

 

But they're gonna hate it when Orton does it.

 

But I guess that's okay, since he got pushed. I mean, even if the push didn't work, he still got pushed, right?

 

What push has he recieved outside of the last 3 weeks since turning face?

 

None. And he stopped being over real quick.

 

Don't you think he might need to be able to actually sustain his heat if he's gonna amount to anything? Otherwise, they're going to have to push him all the time just to keep him over. You know, like that HHH guy everyone loves.

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How long is he gonna be out for after WM? That just makes him winning an even stupider idea.

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How long is he gonna be out for after WM? That just makes him winning an even stupider idea.

Agreed....

 

"At this point, Randy Orton is not expected to be moved to Smackdown. He will be taking time off after Wrestlemania to get surgery for a bad shoulder. He'll be out for at least several months and has been pulled from all house shows following WrestleMania. We'll have more on this shortly"

 

credit:411wrestling (sure they got it elsewhere...)

 

* No sence in Orton winning over Taker if he's too injured to last after mania...let Taker keep his streak, but have him strugle more the usual against Orton at mania...