Major Heat on Rhyno

[Internet Warfare 0]

hmm, $20 says he debuts at the TNA ppv and helps JJ win.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

I bet you he will get hired back for the ECW PPV

[Jericholic82 0]

They sign a talent from ECW, misuse him and bury him as deep as possible, then find the first excuse to fire him like, breaking a flower pot?

How the hell were they suposed to use him? The shit that he did in ECW wouldn't have been believable in the WWE. They also did try to establish him in the WWE because I remember him sending people through tables, sending people through the Smackdown set, being an enforcer for Edge & Chirstian, being a big player in the INvasion, getting a shot at the heavyweight championsip and those are just things off the top of my head.

 

The man got hurt and never provided them with anythnig meaningful afterwards.

 

He created a very embarassing scene at their biggest event of the year. He didn't break the flower pot by accident, he was fighting with his wife and smashed the shit.

 

I don't see why anyblody is really upset about him getting fired.

ah the gore thru the old sd set. I was there at staple center for that one. took them 20 plus minutes to fix it too. It looked cool from my view cuz I was right side of the entrance, close to the set, (well kind far up off the floor )

 

Too bad thats his major highlight in WWE, but hey the guys just too small to be a believeable monster heel in WWE (not saying the fans wouldnt buy it, but we know vince wont)

 

LOL At Lawler on the ECW dvd as he said the first thing he noticed when ECW invaded RAW in 97, was how small all the wrestlers were.

 

which leads to the quote of the day by The King

 

 

"You know he looks a lot taller on the Lucky Charms Box (refrerring to Taz)"

[CBright7831 0]

It's not Vince's property. Danny Doring & Roadkill still have the ECW Tag Belts.

 

Rhyno claims he was still in possession of the ECW Title, but said the Television Title was stolen at the last PPV and was never recovered.

 

Seriously, how the hell could someone lose that?

[iliketurtles 0]

He probbaly got caught up in everything and someone swiped it.

[humongous2002 0]

Goosestepping=An 8 month WWE title reign.

Harrasing divas= Still getting pushed down our throats after 2 and a half years of not getting over as part of Evolution.

(If the wrestler is a WWE guy)Breaking a flower pot= World tittle push.

(If the wrestler is a WCW/ECW guy)Breaking a flower pot= TNA hell.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Does it matter that he was an ECW guy? Does it really? He was a sucky little fat guy that got injured. If it wasn't for ECW he wouldn't have gotten a job PERIOD. Think about that.

[Highland 0]

Does it matter that he was an ECW guy? Does it really? He was a sucky little fat guy that got injured. If it wasn't for ECW he wouldn't have gotten a job PERIOD. Think about that.

Ahh but you forget the IWC rule that those from ECW are automatically WWE main eventers and if they don't get the god push then they're HHHeld Down~!

 

Yeah, this is a jab at all the Rhyno, RVD and Stevie marks out there that believe any of them should be world champion.

[Twisted Intestine 0]

They shouldn't, Raven should!

[razazteca 0]

Does it matter that he was an ECW guy? Does it really? He was a sucky little fat guy that got injured. If it wasn't for ECW he wouldn't have gotten a job PERIOD. Think about that.

Ahh but you forget the IWC rule that those from ECW are automatically WWE main eventers and if they don't get the god push then they're HHHeld Down~!

Being held down by Edge!

[Enigma 0]

I remember when he was drafted to RAW and came out for his World Title match against Chris Benoit. He came out and he was just a big lump of fat. And his arms weren't huge chunks of muscle, it was little stumps of fat.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I think a lot of people here are forgetting that Rhyno's entire gig basically revolved around Heyman using his ability to get anybody over and turning that up to the max.

 

People here are acting like some great talent was just tossed to the winds, but if it wasn't for Heyman's art for promotion than Rhyno wouldn't be involved with the WWE at all, except maybe on the tear-down crew.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I think a lot of people here are forgetting that Rhyno's entire gig basically revolved around Heyman using his ability to get anybody over and turning that up to the max.

 

People here are acting like some great talent was just tossed to the winds, but if it wasn't for Heyman's art for promotion than Rhyno wouldn't be involved with the WWE at all, except maybe on the tear-down crew.

I think a lot of people here are forgetting that Rhyno's entire gig basically revolved around Heyman using his ability to get anybody over and turning that up to the max.

 

Heyman got Rhyno over by booking to his strengths and hiding his weaknesses. It's the best way to get anyone over, and I don't know why such an intelligent concept is getting so much derision around here.

 

People here are acting like some great talent was just tossed to the winds, but if it wasn't for Heyman's art for promotion than Rhyno wouldn't be involved with the WWE at all, except maybe on the tear-down crew.

 

You could say the same for anyone if they aren't booked to maximise their strengths and to hide their weaknesses.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Heyman got Rhyno over by booking to his strengths and hiding his weaknesses. It's the best way to get anyone over, and I don't know why such an intelligent concept is getting so much derision around here.

Generally speaking, everybody brings something of their own to the show sooner or later. Either ring skill, or mic skill, or both. RVD brought his self-styled offense and arguably a new type of laid-back cocky on-screen personality that could be seen as cool instead of heelish. Raven has been spoken of so many times as a guy with great ring talent (although I don't see it myself) when he feels like using it, and there's no denying he's got a unique style on the mic.

 

Rhyno, on the other hand, is the most easily identifiable case of "go out and do what Paul tells you to do while Paul works the crowd into reacting to you." In the WWE, the guy's lone marketable phrase is more commonly associated with Paul than with him. He is the Heyman equivelant to every generic big guy the WWE puts on our TVs because they're sure that they can book anyone to get cheered or booed by the crowd as long as they're put over strongly enough.

 

Except that in WWE, whenever they remember that they can't make the crowd WANT to see a guy no matter how strongly he's booked, they put that guy on Heat. In ECW, that guy gets a World title.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Tell you something else, this "misuse" of ECW and WCW guys is mostly bullshit. Granted, everybody hasn't been pushed to the moon and during the Invasion people were petty in the lockerroom and some people were buried, but some people have been treated pretty decently.

 

Off the top of my head there's these guys:

 

Kidman

Mysterio

Eddie Guerrero

Chavo Guerrero

Benoit

Big Show

Dean Malenko

Scott Steiner

Mick Foley

Al Snow

Goldberg

 

I just think Rhyno should be happy that he was employed in the first place. The fact that he stayed employed with them for four years is something he should be thankful for.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I think a lot of people here are forgetting that Rhyno's entire gig basically revolved around Heyman using his ability to get anybody over and turning that up to the max.

 

People here are acting like some great talent was just tossed to the winds, but if it wasn't for Heyman's art for promotion than Rhyno wouldn't be involved with the WWE at all, except maybe on the tear-down crew.

I think a lot of people here are forgetting that Rhyno's entire gig basically revolved around Heyman using his ability to get anybody over and turning that up to the max.

 

Heyman got Rhyno over by booking to his strengths and hiding his weaknesses. It's the best way to get anyone over, and I don't know why such an intelligent concept is getting so much derision around here.

 

People here are acting like some great talent was just tossed to the winds, but if it wasn't for Heyman's art for promotion than Rhyno wouldn't be involved with the WWE at all, except maybe on the tear-down crew.

 

You could say the same for anyone if they aren't booked to maximise their strengths and to hide their weaknesses.

What strengths did Rhyno have that only he could bring to the table?

[what 0]

Heyman got Rhyno over by booking to his strengths and hiding his weaknesses. It's the best way to get anyone over, and I don't know why such an intelligent concept is getting so much derision around here.

Generally speaking, everybody brings something of their own to the show sooner or later. Either ring skill, or mic skill, or both. RVD brought his self-styled offense and arguably a new type of laid-back cocky on-screen personality that could be seen as cool instead of heelish. Raven has been spoken of so many times as a guy with great ring talent (although I don't see it myself) when he feels like using it, and there's no denying he's got a unique style on the mic.

 

Rhyno, on the other hand, is the most easily identifiable case of "go out and do what Paul tells you to do while Paul works the crowd into reacting to you." In the WWE, the guy's lone marketable phrase is more commonly associated with Paul than with him. He is the Heyman equivelant to every generic big guy the WWE puts on our TVs because they're sure that they can book anyone to get cheered or booed by the crowd as long as they're put over strongly enough.

 

Except that in WWE, whenever they remember that they can't make the crowd WANT to see a guy no matter how strongly he's booked, they put that guy on Heat. In ECW, that guy gets a World title.

Yeah, because absolutely nobody ever wanted to see Rhyno in ECW

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Heyman got Rhyno over by booking to his strengths and hiding his weaknesses. It's the best way to get anyone over, and I don't know why such an intelligent concept is getting so much derision around here.

Generally speaking, everybody brings something of their own to the show sooner or later. Either ring skill, or mic skill, or both. RVD brought his self-styled offense and arguably a new type of laid-back cocky on-screen personality that could be seen as cool instead of heelish. Raven has been spoken of so many times as a guy with great ring talent (although I don't see it myself) when he feels like using it, and there's no denying he's got a unique style on the mic.

 

Rhyno, on the other hand, is the most easily identifiable case of "go out and do what Paul tells you to do while Paul works the crowd into reacting to you." In the WWE, the guy's lone marketable phrase is more commonly associated with Paul than with him. He is the Heyman equivelant to every generic big guy the WWE puts on our TVs because they're sure that they can book anyone to get cheered or booed by the crowd as long as they're put over strongly enough.

 

Except that in WWE, whenever they remember that they can't make the crowd WANT to see a guy no matter how strongly he's booked, they put that guy on Heat. In ECW, that guy gets a World title.

Yeah, because absolutely nobody ever wanted to see Rhyno in ECW

Rhyno was a poor man's answer to Taz.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Except that in WWE, whenever they remember that they can't make the crowd WANT to see a guy no matter how strongly he's booked, they put that guy on Heat. In ECW, that guy gets a World title.

WWE has tried numerous times to keep at pushing their flavor of the month even when the fans haven't taken to them how the company wanted. Hunter didn't over to any real degree for almost three years, despite getting push after push, and even then it took another two years or so and Mick Foley putting him over clean on three straight PPV's before the fans finally accepted him as a top guy.

 

Rhyno was a poor man's answer to Taz.

 

Rhyno was three or four inches taller than Taz and at least 30lbs heavier, and yet in your eyes Rhyno was the poor copy ?

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Except that in WWE, whenever they remember that they can't make the crowd WANT to see a guy no matter how strongly he's booked, they put that guy on Heat. In ECW, that guy gets a World title.

WWE has tried numerous times to keep at pushing their flavor of the month even when the fans haven't taken to them how the company wanted. Hunter didn't over to any real degree for almost three years, despite getting push after push, and even then it took another two years or so and Mick Foley putting him over clean on three straight PPV's before the fans finally accepted him as a top guy.

 

Rhyno was a poor man's answer to Taz.

 

Rhyno was three or four inches taller than Taz and at least 30lbs heavier, and yet in your eyes Rhyno was the poor copy ?

Being bigger or smaller than someone doesn't mean that they are any better or worse of an imitation of anybody. Who was more memorable Taz or Rhyno? Taz did Rhyno's gimmick before Rhyno did it and he did it better. That's why I say he's a poor man's answer to Taz. He wasn't as bad as fake Diesel (who was bigger than Kevin Nash) and fake Razor Roman, but he was just another attempt to create a guy like Taz.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Rhyno did a shooter gimmick ? Guess I missed that one.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Rhyno did a shooter gimmick ? Guess I missed that one.

Unstoppable beast gimmick. I still want to know what unique qualities Rhyno was bringing to the WWF that they failed to capitalize on.

[Guest netslob]

Taz= Shooter gimmick

Rhyno= Beast gimmick

 

two completely different things.

 

the only similarity i ever saw in the two are they're both short/average sized, both muscular, mostly in the legs, and both sweared like sailors in their promos. that's it.

[iggymcfly 0]

Except that in WWE, whenever they remember that they can't make the crowd WANT to see a guy no matter how strongly he's booked, they put that guy on Heat. In ECW, that guy gets a World title.

WWE has tried numerous times to keep at pushing their flavor of the month even when the fans haven't taken to them how the company wanted. Hunter didn't over to any real degree for almost three years, despite getting push after push, and even then it took another two years or so and Mick Foley putting him over clean on three straight PPV's before the fans finally accepted him as a top guy.

 

Rhyno was a poor man's answer to Taz.

 

Rhyno was three or four inches taller than Taz and at least 30lbs heavier, and yet in your eyes Rhyno was the poor copy ?

During Rhyno's healthy time in the WWE, he got pushed way harder than HHH did for his first few years in the WWF. It was only when Taker got played out, Rock needed to turn face, and they really needed another top heel that HHH got the big push in '99.

[syxx2001 0]

Tell you something else, this "misuse" of ECW and WCW guys is mostly bullshit. Granted, everybody hasn't been pushed to the moon and during the Invasion people were petty in the lockerroom and some people were buried, but some people have been treated pretty decently.

 

Off the top of my head there's these guys:

 

Kidman

Mysterio

Eddie Guerrero

Chavo Guerrero

Benoit

Big Show

Dean Malenko

Scott Steiner

Mick Foley

Al Snow

Goldberg

 

I just think Rhyno should be happy that he was employed in the first place. The fact that he stayed employed with them for four years is something he should be thankful for.

Mick Foley has been in the WWF since, 96? I guess you should add Triple H and Stone Cold to that list as well.

 

And the list of fuck ups triples the list of good.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

During Rhyno's healthy time in the WWE, he got pushed way harder than HHH did for his first few years in the WWF. It was only when Taker got played out, Rock needed to turn face, and they really needed another top heel that HHH got the big push in '99.

The point was that Hunter got chance after chance after chance to try and get over, even when the fans still weren't taking to him at all. If everyone got that kind of effort, things would be a whole lot better.

[what 0]

During Rhyno's healthy time in the WWE, he got pushed way harder than HHH did for his first few years in the WWF. It was only when Taker got played out, Rock needed to turn face, and they really needed another top heel that HHH got the big push in '99.

The point was that Hunter got chance after chance after chance to try and get over, even when the fans still weren't taking to him at all. If everyone got that kind of effort, things would be a whole lot better.

By late 1996-1997, HHH was pretty over as he was straying from that blue blood shit and was becoming more of an arrogant heel. In 1995, he was Godwinn fodder.

 

And I always liked Rhyno. He was never going to be a main eventer in the WWE but could have been a credible monster if they kept pushing him like they did when he first came in. He wasn't a typical WWE hoss but his gimmick made up for that.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Hunter didn't start to really get over until hooking up with Shawn. Before then, he wasn't over anywhere like they wanted him to be, which is why he was put with Shawn in the first place.

[Guest stylz]

I spoke to someone who was at the Mania afterparty...and it was a really big scene made by Rhyno. Along with the flower pot, I think a few chairs were tosses too. He couldn't keep his temper in check, and was canned. Too bad.

 

J

[Enigma 0]

Can someone tell me how this thread transitioned into a HHH thread?