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[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Slapnuts, you poor, deluded, confused SOB.

 

I think we've proven that all of this is really the work of the Illuminati, the real secret controllers of George W. Bush and most of the civilized world.

 

I mean, Jesus, haven't you read the DaVinci Code? It's ALL in there.

 

You dumb bastard this goes much deeper than the Illuminati. It was aliens who are in cahoots with Elvis and Tupac.

[Slickster 0]

So, it is illogical that a conspiracy can be put in place within 8 months --- but one year is enough time to put into place a very in-depth conspiracy that nobody can actually find any real proof of, outside of the fact that a group was WARNING about this problem?

 

I didn't say that the signing of the PNAC was the start of the (hypothetical) conspiracy. Its elements had been in the works for years: This book written in 1996 explains the "shock and awe" strategy, for example.

[Justice 0]

So, it is illogical that a conspiracy can be put in place within 8 months --- but one year is enough time to put into place a very in-depth conspiracy that nobody can actually find any real proof of, outside of the fact that a group was WARNING about this problem?

 

I didn't say that the signing of the PNAC was the start of the (hypothetical) conspiracy. Its elements had been in the works for years: This book written in 1996 explains the "shock and awe" strategy, for example.

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You know that "Blitzkrieg" was also a strategy developed by two Brits back in 1935, right? OMFG CONSPIRACY!

 

Apparently we aren't allowed to use the best tactics because they are in print or something...

[Jingus 0]

The only big conspiracy theory I even maintain the notion might have something to it is the Kennedy assassination, because of all the weird contradictions about just what exactly happened in Dallas on that day. But it still is possible that Oswald acted alone, I never just assume that there WERE shooters on the grassy knoll.

[Vyce 0]

"It's entertaining to think about your own government killing thousands of its own people?" will be the response to this, and yes, it is.

 

Entertainment is, as always, remarkably subjective.

[Vern Gagne 0]

The only big conspiracy theory I even maintain the notion might have something to it is the Kennedy assassination, because of all the weird contradictions about just what exactly happened in Dallas on that day. But it still is possible that Oswald acted alone, I never just assume that there WERE shooters on the grassy knoll.

How many people have to be directly involved in something to make it a conspiracy?

[Guest MikeSC]

Mike, you've misunderstood my post, or I didn't make it clear enough.

 

I agree with you that Bush could not have planned the attacks in that short time.  the only way the conspiracy would pan out is if the illuminati planned it.

 

 

I never said I think the illuminati is real. Your post implies that i did. I'm not saying they don't exist either.

 

I was saying hypothetically that for the conspiracy to be true, the illuminati would have to be real and they would have had to plan it.

The same Illuminati that, to be purely technical, you can't even prove EXISTS?

 

Why not mention the Rockefeller Commission or some other such nonsense?

Hell, Hitler stated he didn't want us involved, period.

But we already knew that he wanted to come after us, after he conquered Europe and Asia. Of course he said he didn't want anything to do with us, cuz he planning to sneak attack us. Of course he wouldn't want to announce it.

Which is different from Iraq --- how?

We could've had it for MUCH less than we're paying now if we opted to.

who says we are paying at all?

I guess you missed the controversy about Halliburton overspending for oil.

Care to reveal these NORAD lies?

Senator...mark dayton???

You are aware that the man is certifiably insane, right?

 

You know, the ONE Senator who shut down his office out of security concerns that nobody else quite saw.

i think, was complaining about these lies on cspan. he said NORAD's statements about the times the goverment was notified about the planes being of course were false. he said it differed from the factual information by about 15-20 mins. I know it's minor. But if they would falsify that info, why should you believe anything they say.

How about we find a SANE person to quote, OK?

As an added statement I do not think just discussing this is disrespectful to anyone, especially the victims. It's not like anyone is mocking the fact that they died. I think to not question this and to just dismiss it as just a terrorist attack is more disrespectful. Questioning it at least means you are thinking about it. Not one conspiracy nut is laughing at the dead. They wouldn't question it if they didn't think it was a tragedy and didn't care about those who lost their lives.

No, most just hate Bush with a virulent hatred unseen in generations and want to place the blame for everything on him.

I didn't say that the signing of the PNAC was the start of the (hypothetical) conspiracy. Its elements had been in the works for years: This book written in 1996 explains the "shock and awe" strategy, for example.

A book detailing a military strategy is proof of something, I'd assume.

-=Mike

[Jingus 0]

How many people have to be directly involved in something to make it a conspiracy?

In this case, any more than just one means that there were hidden secrets that the general public never discovered about a major political assassination, which by definition would be a real live conspiracy.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Hell, Hitler stated he didn't want us involved, period.

But we already knew that he wanted to come after us, after he conquered Europe and Asia. Of course he said he didn't want anything to do with us, cuz he planning to sneak attack us. Of course he wouldn't want to announce it.

Which is different from Iraq --- how?

Well, for starters, Saddam never invaded Europe and Asia.

[Carnival 0]

The same Illuminati that, to be purely technical, you can't even prove EXISTS?

 

Why not mention the Rockefeller Commission or some other such nonsense?

 

The Carlye Group?

 

no but seriously you misunderstood me again.

 

I said.....hypothetically. I'm not sure that I spelled it correctly, but you should know what i mean. The Illuminati, while not proven to exist, is still not impossible.

 

Which is different from Iraq --- how?

 

You have got to be joking. If you can't see the difference....try to open your eyes before you look.

 

I guess you missed the controversy about Halliburton overspending for oil.

 

I sure did, but who's to say that the controversy wasn't made up?

 

It would make sense. You don't want America to know you are getting free oil...tell them the opposite. Overspending.

 

You are aware that the man is certifiably insane, right?

 

So there are records showing that he was in a mental institution?

 

I doubt it, i'm just guessing your opinions differ from his. Therefore he's insane. Thats seems to be the trend.

[Guest MikeSC]

Hell, Hitler stated he didn't want us involved, period.

But we already knew that he wanted to come after us, after he conquered Europe and Asia. Of course he said he didn't want anything to do with us, cuz he planning to sneak attack us. Of course he wouldn't want to announce it.

Which is different from Iraq --- how?

Well, for starters, Saddam never invaded Europe and Asia.

He did invade Iran, Kuwait, funded the intifada in Israel, and destabilized an entire region.

The Carlye Group?

 

no but seriously you misunderstood me again.

 

I said.....hypothetically. I'm not sure that I spelled it correctly, but you should know what i mean. The Illuminati, while not proven to exist, is still not impossible.

Until you can prove it --- then, yes, it is not possible.

I sure did, but who's to say that the controversy wasn't made up?

 

It would make sense. You don't want America to know you are getting free oil...tell them the opposite. Overspending.

Because a public company is MORE than happy to sacrifice their reputation for a conspiracy. Always happens.

 

And, you know that oil is actually a publicly-traded commodity, right?

So there are records showing that he was in a mental institution?

 

I doubt it, i'm just guessing your opinions differ from his. Therefore he's insane. Thats seems to be the trend.

Some recent Mark Dayton gems:

--- Blamed Bush due to a lack of SANDBAGS --- IN IRAQ. Think about that for a moment. And for a death of a soldier that had nothing to do with sandbags in the first place.

--- Read his criticism of Donald Rumsfeld in May 2004.

--- He evacuated his Senate office on 10/12, for reasons nobody knows.

--- So inept that the Senate Armed Services Committee REFUSED to allow him to travel to Iraq.

 

Yeah, he's stable. I put him on the same level as Cynthia MacKinnon and Sheila Jackson-Lee.

-=Mike

[Carnival 0]

That post shows how closed-minded and blind you really are.

 

You are basically saying that there is only true and false. There is no gray area. If something is not a proven fact, then it's proven false. Which means you take nothing into consideration until it's an established fact.

 

According to you...there is no such thing as possiblities.

 

Looks like you don't think too much.

[Guest MikeSC]

That post shows how closed-minded and blind you really are.

 

You are basically saying that there is only true and false. There is no gray area.

Shockingly enough, there IS truth and fiction.

 

Gray area doesn't really exist.

If something is not a proven fact, then it's proven false.

If there is NO proof that something is true --- then it is not true.

Which means you take nothing into consideration until it's an established fact.

 

According to you...there is no such thing as possiblities.

 

Looks like you don't think too much.

You seem to confuse being open-minded with being empty-headed.

-=Mike

[Carnival 0]

If there is NO proof that something is true --- then it is not true.

Correct. But according to you...if something is not proven true....then it's automatically proven false.

 

That means you believe in nothing. You don't think anything.

 

To say that everything is either FACT or it's FICTION is idiotic.

 

So all the questions of the world have been answered. If they haven't been answered, then just chalk them up to being false.

 

 

btw Mike you brought up the Nazi's first. So you lose.