One and Only Star Wars Geekiness Thread

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Oh I wasn't sure if it was a connection by the force that Vader could feel between him and Luke that made him sure he was his son. So I figured he'd feel the same thing around Leia, but I forgot that Vader was told about Luke in ESB. So I understand now.

 

I also didn't know that Anakin wasn't told he had twins. Like I said I haven't seen Episode III yet.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

I also didn't know that Anakin wasn't told he had twins. Like I said I haven't seen Episode III yet.

Yeah.

 

It's not THAT major a spoiler...but basically...he knew Padme was preggers, but not with twins.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

The only reason Vader finds out about Leia (and we are never sure that Vader actually found out that it was Leia, he merely says that Luke has a twin sister) is because he is able to read Luke's mind in ROTJ. He isn't able to find out earlier because neither Luke or Leia know about it then, and Obi-Wan is probably too powerful to get his mind read at ease by that point.

[pochorenella 0]

You make a good point, as Vader never actually named her, he just said he knew about the sister and all that. Even when he gave his dying wish to Luke he didn't say any names.

[SuperJerk 0]

You know, Padme dying in this movie is a BIG contradiction to what Leia told Luke on Endor. Leia said that her mother died when she was very young, but she still had memories of her. That's the one thought that kept running through my mind when I saw her death scene.

I always thought that Leia was talking about Bail Organa's wife, who she thought was her mother all that time.

Luke specifically asks her if she remembered her REAL mother.

 

Of course Leia's gonna know she's adopted. Her parents are Hispanic, and she's white.

[Anakin Flair 0]

You know, Padme dying in this movie is a BIG contradiction to what Leia told Luke on Endor. Leia said that her mother died when she was very young, but she still had memories of her. That's the one thought that kept running through my mind when I saw her death scene.

I always thought that Leia was talking about Bail Organa's wife, who she thought was her mother all that time.

Luke specifically asks her if she remembered her REAL mother.

 

Of course Leia's gonna know she's adopted. Her parents are Hispanic, and she's white.

Yeah? And Anakin was immacuatley concieved. Miracles happen, you know.

[cabbageboy 0]

Haha, well in theory I don't think Organa and his wife are actually meant to be Latinos but it's just that Jimmy Smits is playing the role. And yes I too thought of the Luke/Leia scene when Padme was giving birth to them, pondering how Leia had ANY sort of memory of her real mother.

[Anakin Flair 0]

Maybe she THOUGHT that Queen Organa was her actual mother, and she died early on in her childhood.

 

I dunno, I'm stretching now...

[Art Sandusky 0]

That's not stretching. That and Leia said her mother was always sad. Maybe Mrs. Organa felt sorry for Leia.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

Leia just might have been making shit up to make Luke feel better. Didn't he just watch his Dad die? Leia maybe though saying "Yeah, I have no idea who the slut Vader knocked up is either" would be a faux pas at that juncture.

[Anakin Flair 0]

Vader died AFTER his conversation with Leia.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Vader being cremated was basically the last thing to happen in the saga, aside from Luke turning to his side and seeing the ghost forms of Obi-Wan, Yoda, and a remorseful Anakin.

[Guest Ransome]

I truly wonder how popular the films would have been without John Williams. As far as I'm concerned, the majestic score (channelling Erich Korngold) is sole reason the movies seem so epic and grandiose, and it hides the cheese factor remarkably well.

 

Heres my ranking:

1. ANH

2. ESB

3. ROTS

4. AOTC

5. ROTJ

6. TPM

[caboose 0]

Maybe Leia having images of Padme is the force working with Leia without her realising.

[Carnival 0]

My friend has never watched a Star Wars movie, and wants to get into them. I advised him to watch the old ones first the watch the new three. Some other dude told him that he should watch 1-6, not 4-6,1-3.

 

What would you recommend?

 

Also my rankings:

 

1. ROTS

2. ROTJ

3. ESB

4. AOTC

5. ANH

6. TPM

[Use Your Illusion 0]

He needs to watch the original trilogy first. A lot of magic is killed for first-time viewers if they know all the back-story, for example Vader being Lukes father etc., as pointed out previously by someone in this thread.

[Anakin Flair 0]

I truly wonder how popular the films would have been without John Williams. As far as I'm concerned, the majestic score (channelling Erich Korngold) is sole reason the movies seem so epic and grandiose, and it hides the cheese factor remarkably well.

 

Heres my ranking:

1. ANH

2. ESB

3. ROTS

4. AOTC

5. ROTJ

6. TPM

I was watching the documentary that comes with the DVD boxed set of Star Wars, and I think the Producer (McCullum?) said something like "the movie was Okay, but when we saw it the first time with the score, we were blown away." The score definatley made those movies. Even today, I sometimes find myself whistling the Imperial MArch, or the Ewoks theme.

 

Off on a different tangent, when I went to the midnight screening I got to talking to the guy next to me about Lucas re-releasing the OT in 3-D. While it is kind of annoying that he keeps releasing differen t versions of the movies, you got to admit that these movies would rock in 3-D. Both battles at the Death Star, the Asteroid chase, the speeder bike chase on Endor... I find myself anticipating the inevitable release.

[Justice 0]

I was watching the documentary that comes with the DVD boxed set of Star Wars, and I think the Producer (McCullum?) said something like "the movie was Okay, but when we saw it the first time with the score, we were blown away." The score definatley made those movies. Even today, I sometimes find myself whistling the Imperial MArch, or the Ewoks theme.

YES! The score is perhaps the greatest of all time. The opening theme sets it all and it just goes up from there. My personal favorites: The Asteroid Field and Duel of the Fates.

 

On the Organa thing, I wrote something on another board about this, and I'll just repost it here.

 

The Leia/Mother Paradox

 

"Leia, do you remember your mother? Your real mother?"

 

"A little bit, yes. Just images... feelings, really."

 

Yeah, that damned line in RotJ. Another reason to notch it lower on my chart (Other than the stilted dialogue starting to wear through and the magic dimming o.0), I've really sort of considered this thing because I've had like, two dozen people bring it up to me.

 

My opinion: Psych majors, help me out here, but I wouldn't think it beyond the Organas to sort of imprint these images and ideas on a very young Leia, especially considering how vague her description is. Talking about her mother when she was young, showing her pictures, holovids (Or whatever the hell they use as video), I honestly don't think it would be too hard to make her think that she remembered her mother from when she was 2 or 3 (Kinda like people absolutely KNOW they remember stuff as a baby, but most likely it's just a false memory created from hearing the story many times over). This is plausible for two reasons:

 

1) It's much easier to explain her death away. It's hard to explain to a child that her mother died in childbirth. They likely invented another story to shield her from that brutal fact.

 

2) The less she knows, the safer she is. If Padme died two years before her mother died, who would suspect that she's one of the Vader twins? The identity of her real mother was probably hidden (Hell, there's even the possbility of a 'false' real mother so that she wouldn't even know the name Padm) so that she wouldn't inadvertantly blurt it out in the wrong company.

 

All in all, I think it's extremely possible that she just thinks she remembers her mother from what the Organas told her, but it's just her memory playing tricks (And possibly her adoptive parents as well.

 

And, of course, this is just the ramblings of a geek trying to cover up something Lucas just fucked up.

[cabbageboy 0]

I think people who claim ROTS is the best in the entire series are mostly caught up in the moment. I think my rankings went as such:

 

--Empire

--Jedi

--Sith

--Star Wars

--Clones

--Menace

 

I still refuse to call the original A New Hope. That is just so lame. Seriously, would you tell your friends "Gee, I'm gonna go watch A New Hope?" Or would you say "I'm gonna go watch Star Wars."

[NoCalMike 0]

Hey Everyone, watch Vader show his OOOOOO-Face

 

http://vaderoface.ytmnd.com/

 

Then watch as Vader fails to keep his stapler.....

 

http://vaderstapler.ytmnd.com/

[Red Baron 0]

Here's my ranking

 

-Empire

-A New Hope

-Revenge of the Sith

-Return of the Jedi

-Attack of the Clones

-Phantom Menace

[Red Baron 0]

My question is this.

 

It took nearly 20 years to build the first death star, but around six years to build a more powerful half completed second death star. So when did they start the construction of the second one?

[art_vandelay 0]

They've already built it once so they can probably speed up the process considerably. Plus, construction technology must've surely improved over the 20 years. Maybe they have more funding and manpower this time around due to the lack of Senate and perhaps some sympathy for the Empire for having lost that huge thing and the people within it. They could have played it up like it was 9/11 with all the fundraising and volunteers willing to help out. And the Force probably figures in there somehow. The Force explains all plot holes.

 

 

I just watched Episode IV again, and is that Wedge a little bitch or what? "Uh oh, my engine broke down, I have to go!" He's the coward of Star Wars. And why didn't Chewbacca receive a medal at the end?

[art_vandelay 0]

dp

Edited May 30, 2005 by art_vandelay

[Guest Fook]

I watched ROTJ today and there are quite a few lines that have new meaning now that ROTS is out.

 

Aside from the previously covered "Leia's mother" issue...

 

- Luke: "Yoda, you can't die!"

Yoda: "Strong am I in the force, but not that strong."

Before, it was a throwaway line. Now it's a reference to Darth Plaugius' dark side power of cheating death.

 

- Vader (to Luke): "Turn to the dark side! It is the only way to save your friends!"

Obviously a callback to Anakin turning to the dark side in order to save Padme's life. He wants Luke to do the same for his loved ones.

 

- The scene where Luke cuts off Vader's hand, but refuses to finish him (even though it was Vader who cut off his hand) has even more meaning now that we know that Anakin went through the same thing with Dooku. Luke was strong enough to resist the dark side, but Anakin was weak and succame to his anger.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

I watched ROTJ today and there are quite a few lines that have new meaning now that ROTS is out.

 

Aside from the previously covered "Leia's mother" issue...

 

- Luke: "Yoda, you can't die!"

  Yoda: "Strong am I in the force, but not that strong."

Before, it was a throwaway line.  Now it's a reference to Darth Plaugius' dark side power of cheating death.

 

- Vader (to Luke): "Turn to the dark side!  It is the only way to save your friends!"

Obviously a callback to Anakin turning to the dark side in order to save Padme's life.  He wants Luke to do the same for his loved ones.

 

- The scene where Luke cuts off Vader's hand, but refuses to finish him  (even though it was Vader who cut off his hand) has even more meaning now that we know that Anakin went through the same thing with Dooku. Luke was strong enough to resist the dark side, but Anakin was weak and succame to his anger.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

 

Don't forget...

 

<Yoda>Do not...underestimate...the powers of the Emperor

 

He knew that from personal experience insted of just rumors of The Emperor's powers.

[Rendclaw 0]

My list is as follows:

 

1. The Empire Strikes Back: Still the perfect combination of story, special effects, and music. Everything came together in such synchronicity, there was no way to top it, IMO.

 

2. Revenge of the Sith: Now that I have seen it, this one comes in second. It explained away about 90% of what was to come in a satisfactory way. You only got hints at how much of an evil, manipulative bastard Palpatine was in Jedi, and you got to see hime really turn the screws on Anakin here, not to mention the foresight of Order 66. My only complaint about that was how they managed to take out the majority of the Jedi Order in one night, but that could be explained away by how their numbers were whittled down during the Clone Wars. To see Anakin give in to his fear, anger and impatience was done very well.

 

3. A New Hope: Before I went to see Sith, I was going to post and place this one second, but after last night, I just could not. This one holds a special place in my heart because I was 8 years old when I saw it, and it had such a strong effect on me, it was pathetic.

 

4. Return of the Jedi: This one was good, but not as great as it should have been. Despite the popularity and hype, the movie seemed to be rushed to me, from the story to the music. The only thing that was pretty much on point were the special effects.

 

5. Attack of the Clones: Now we all agree for the most part that these last two movies blew. This one want a long way towards saving the franchise after the debacle that was the following movie. Lucas learned his lesson by pleasing the generation that made Star Wars famous, not by pandering to little kids.

 

6. The Phantom Menace: What can I say about this movie that hasn;t already been said, and said better than I could? Its is the combination of the story, special effects and music that makes a movie great, and John Williams did his job admirably.

 

They've already built it once so they can probably speed up the process considerably. Plus, construction technology must've surely improved over the 20 years. Maybe they have more funding and manpower this time around due to the lack of Senate and perhaps some sympathy for the Empire for having lost that huge thing and the people within it. They could have played it up like it was 9/11 with all the fundraising and volunteers willing to help out. And the Force probably figures in there somehow. The Force explains all plot holes.

 

The Death Star was new technology on such a grandiose scale, that there was no way that it could be be built faster, IMO. By the time the second one (by the way which was about 30-35% bigger than the original) was constructed, Palpatine had his ducks in a row. The majority of the galaxy was subjugated, he had a much bigger pool of funds and manpower to draw from, and he had the most brilliant minds working for him, willingly or not.

 

It has been suggested in the Rogue Squadron series of books (which were brilliantly done and add a lot of backstory as well) that Palpatine had started a propaganda campaign to completely discredit the Jedi, and we saw the beginnings of that when he first took power. Not to mention that Palpatine and Vader spent a good part of that 18 years hunting down the Jedi and subjugating key worlds, like Kashyyyk. A lot is left up to interpretation, which is as it should be. There was no way that Sith could explain away everything satisfactorily, not without making it at least three and a half hours in length, Peter Jackson-style.

 

Personally, that would not have been a bad idea. Trying to tie up all the loose ends in the space of two or two and a half hours can makes things seem forced and rushed.

[Anakin Flair 0]

According to an early draft of the script from Lucas, PAdme gave a sad smile at Leia when she was born, right before Padme dies. This is what Lei remembers.

[SuperJerk 0]

That's not stretching. That and Leia said her mother was always sad. Maybe Mrs. Organa felt sorry for Leia.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yes, its stretching.

 

Leia knew she was adopted.

 

She was asked about her "real" mother. If I didn't know I was adopted, and someone asked me if I knew anything about my "real" mother, then I'd wonder what the hell they were talking about rather than answer their questions like I know what they're talking about. Therefore, Leia had to know she was adopted.

 

Go back and watch the scene. Leia says she actually remembers feelings.

 

Now, let's pretend for a second that maybe, just maybe Leia has some sort of special powers that allow her to sense things she shouldn't be able to...as if she was CONNECTED TO THE FORCE JUST LIKE HER TWIN BROTHER AND FATHER!??!?!?! Gee, what are the chances of that?

 

 

Now, can we please shut the fuck up about this already?

Edited May 31, 2005 by RobotJerk

[Guest Flyboy]

- Vader (to Luke): "Turn to the dark side! It is the only way to save your friends!"

Obviously a callback to Anakin turning to the dark side in order to save Padme's life. He wants Luke to do the same for his loved ones.

 

Don't see how that really applies as it didn't help Anakin/Vader out too well in the end.

Edited May 31, 2005 by Flyboy