One and Only Star Wars Geekiness Thread

[Guest Essa_Angelico]

quick question- Order 66- was it only for killing the Jedi? Or was it also an order to occupy the planets the Clones were on? I ask because it seemed like the clones were killing the Wookies (or just didn't care that they were dead) after the order was given.

 

I believe the clones were killing wookies because they were protecting Yoda(see everyone loves the little guy).

 

Although Palpatine does despise all non-humans(with some exceptions) so the order could have been to destroy the locals and nab their world.

[CBright7831 0]

I noticed the clones acting rather hostile toward the citizens of Utapau after Order 66. Notice them pushing around the little guys while the medic and Commander Cody discuss Obi Wan. There had to be more about Order 66 than just 'kill the Jedi'. The clones went from heroes to dicks within seconds.

[Boner Kawanger 0]

Agreed. Order 66 was probably like the activation word for someone that's been brainwashed to go batshit crazy. Only difference is the clones were made that way from day one.

 

Anyways, I was watching Episode IV the other night and something hit me. One of the complaints stemming from the use of Artoo and Threepio in the prequels was the fact that they don't remember anything. Threepio's memory wipe solved that, but there was still Artoo. Is it possible that the Jawas gave him a memory wipe, or at least short circuted some of his memory with their droid stun gun? Just something to think about, I guess. He does still remember his mission. I don't know, it just got me thinking.

 

Oh, since I haven't posted anything in this thread, I saw Episode III at a midnight opening and loved it. Picking it apart doesn't even hurt it. It just had everything I've wanted to see in a movie, stuff I would do with my own Star Wars action figures years ago. Most impressive.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

Although Palpatine does despise all non-humans(with some exceptions) so the order could have been to destroy the locals and nab their world.

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Is the whole "Palpatine hates aliens" thing just an EU theory? In the movie, he definately had alien support and alien lackeys, like his guys that were with him when he created the Empire. Or the idea that he hates aliens was spread by the filthy rebel terrorists.

[Boner Kawanger 0]

You know, besides the occasional bounty hunter scum and lowly spies, only humans seem to work for the Empire...

[Carnival 0]

Who was the big blue alien man with palpatine at the end of episode 3 and what purpose does he serve?

[Guest Essa_Angelico]

Is the whole "Palpatine hates aliens" thing just an EU theory?

 

Yeah it's only been stated in the books that Palpatine hated all other races, it was tounched upon in the Thrawn trilogy.

 

Who was the big blue alien man with palpatine at the end of episode 3 and what purpose does he serve?

 

The fatish blue alien that's always in senate scenes? i thinks he's like a vice president or an assistant since he's always been with the chancellor (Vallorum and Palpatine)

 

I love the fact that Artoo knows whats going on but keeps quiet, when I used the watch the OT's i always said to my friends R2 knew more than he was letting on.

[Rendclaw 0]

Palpatine's subjugation of other races stems from the fact that almost all of the high-level officers, governors and moffs in the Empire were male and human... it was expanded on in the books, and that a lot of the key alien worlds were either subjugated or outright destroyed.

 

And Essa, you were absolutely right. I always felt that way from the first movie on as well.

[CBright7831 0]

Who was the big blue alien man with palpatine at the end of episode 3 and what purpose does he serve?

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His name is Mas Ameeda and he is Vice Chair of the Galactic Senate. When the Senate begins to bicker, he will stand up and yell "ORDER! WE SHALL HAVE ORDER HERE!" to quiet everyone down.

 

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character...edda/index.html

 

The gothic looking women with Palpatine is Sly Moore. She just sort of sits there and looks depressed.

 

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character...oore/index.html

 

Both meet their doom in between Episode III and IV according to the 'Making Of...' book, when Palpatine no longer has any use for them. Who carries out the deed is never explained, but it's anyone's guess.

[Carnival 0]

how is R2 suppossed to tell anyone the things he knows...well i guess he could 3PO...but 3PO would just call him crazy.

 

Well i guess Luke can understand him when he's flying his X-Wing.

 

"Thats right R2, where going to degeboh"

 

"Damnit. Oh well at least Vader isn't MY dad!"

 

"WHAT!?"

 

"oh nothing"

 

And I'm sure it's been explained in this thread, but Obi-Wan in IV acts like he has never seen R2. I just thought that was funny.

[Guest SP-1]

I don't get the vibe that Obi-Wan doesn't know Artoo. Obi-Wan calls him, "friend" or "little friend" when he first sees him. Plus, Obi-Wan isn't exactly spilling everything he knows to Luke, and when he does its "from a certain point of view."

[Carnival 0]

i don't know why i got the vibe that obi won acts like he's never seen R2? i'll have to watch it again.

[Guest Askewniverse]

I never got the vibe that Obi-Wan doesn't know R2, even before the prequels were made. Obi-Wan never says he doesn't know R2. He only says he doesn't remember owning any droids, which is true.

[Rendclaw 0]

Artoo knew the value of discretion, so he kept a lot of things to himself.

[Guest SP-1]

Plus, Threepio never believes him anyway.

[ZGangsta 0]

After seeing epIII and now knowing that R2 is not mind wiped, I take the "I don't remember owning any droids" scene as Obi-Wan just employing his sense of dry humour. Sir Alec says that line with sort of a twinkle in his eye as well, and he never does say anything about knowing R2 and 3P0, just that he never owned droids. So what he said was true, from a certain point of view. I actually really like the way that little segment plays out now knowing what we know from the prequels.

However, I always thought that the perfect way to deal with this little continuity hiccup would be to have had the Ewen Mcgregor Obi-Wan somehow work in saying the "I don't remember owning any droids" line to R2 in ROTS. This would make it like the two of them had a little running joke going on.

[Guest jm29195]

Agreed. Order 66 was probably like the activation word for someone that's been brainwashed to go batshit crazy. Only difference is the clones were made that way from day one.

 

 

It seemed like me to be a trigger word- something that's been traditionally used by bad guy's in films as a plot device- ie someone who can get close to an assasination target is hypnotised so that when the key word is said, they will automatically carry out the hit through subconscious orders.... I think an early example of this in another film is possibly the plan from the George Lazenby Bond film?

 

 

Is the whole "Palpatine hates aliens" thing just an EU theory?

 

I don't know if it counts as EU or not but there's a bit in the ROTS book which isn't in the films where 3PO says something along the lines that the republic is rounding all the droids up and putting them in internment camps...

[PLAGIARISM! 0]

Well I saw the movie, and liked it. Less cutesy noises from the robots would have been nice, but it was kept to a minimum. I think that other than that, it pretty much dealt with all it needed to.

[Art Sandusky 0]

R2 is also one of probably millions of astromech droids.

[CBright7831 0]

http://vadermakesaytmnd.ytmnd.com/

 

http://silentfilmstarwars.ytmnd.com/ - Holy shit, they actually made one without "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" in it and it was actually funny

[Guest limpidsage]

how come Owen doesn't recognize the droids in Episode IV?

[caboose 0]

Twenty or so years between seeing a pair of droids is a long time.

 

Another thing, doesn't Beru age horribly?

[Rendclaw 0]

So did Obi-Wan, when you think about it.... I think he was in his late thirties - early forties at the end of ROTS, so he would be in his late fifties to mid sixties by the time ANH comes around. I think its more of a reflection of the harsh conditions of Tatooine than anything else. With Owen and Beru being moisture farmers, thats an even harder existence than the seclusion that Obi-Wan put himself in.

 

And most people view droids as we view PCs in this day and age; a tool, nothing more. I think thats why Owen did not recognize the droids, aside from Artoo and Threepio being very common droid models.

 

The clones were undoubtedly created with these "Imperial" orders in mind, to be carried out at a moment's notice. Cody's personality changed drastically from the moment the order was given.

[BlackFlagg 0]

And most people view droids as we view PCs in this day and age; a tool, nothing more. I think thats why Owen did not recognize the droids, aside from Artoo and Threepio being very common droid models.

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Maybe he did recognize them and that's why he was so insistant on them getting there memories erased

[Guest Beingz0wningj00]

Little pointer... but Threepio didn't have his gold plating on when Owen last saw him.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Palpatine's subjugation of other races stems from the fact that almost all of the high-level officers, governors and moffs in the Empire were male and human... it was expanded on in the books, and that a lot of the key alien worlds were either subjugated or outright destroyed.

 

There is also the attitude of the Imperial officers whenever there are aliens around in the films.

 

"Where are you taking this...thing?"

[BlackFlagg 0]

Palpatine's dislike of aliens really shows in Grand Admiral Thrawn, only alien to reach such a high rank and one of the most brilliant commanders in the Imperial Fleet but still he's kept stationed far off in the outer rim where he had no chance of being able to help fight off the Rebels.

[CBright7831 0]

When it comes to Order 66, Jango Fett's "They'll do thier jobs well, I guarantee that" line now has more meaning, as someone pointed out. That shit faced smirk had made after he said that line said it all. His clones took out the Jedi, the same people who took out the Mandalorian warriors.

[Art Sandusky 0]

I didn't even think about that Jango line. That's tremendous. Think he was in on everything, at least to an extent?

[Conspiracy_Victim 0]

Palpatine's dislike of aliens really shows in Grand Admiral Thrawn, only alien to reach such a high rank and one of the most brilliant commanders in the Imperial Fleet but still he's kept stationed far off in the outer rim where he had no chance of being able to help fight off the Rebels.

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Actually later on in the EU its discovered that Thrawn's exile to the Outer Rim was planned by himself and Palpatine as an excuse for the Emperor to suddenly have his best commander sent into the sticks. He was sent out to map the Unknown Region and prepare for the invasion that takes place in the New Jedi Order series. Plus, Thrawn would be able to drawn on his own people, the Chiss, for some replacement and parts (even though he was persona non grata with them too after the Outbound Flight Incident). The books Survivor's Quest, Specter of the Past, and Vision of the Future cover all that pretty well.