Harry Potter Movies

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

The end of the GOF book was one of urgency and chaos and was basically THE pivital moment in the books...and you're telling me they didn't even have it in the movie?

[Anakin Flair 0]

Yeah, that's about it.

 

Keep in mind, though, that the studio problably want's to have a somewhat happy ending to each of the films, or even just an ENDING... They want a sense of finality to each movie, an not a to be continued feel like LOTR.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

Well they did have the scene where Dumbledore makes the speech to the students telling them Voldemort took out Cedric and has returned. But then they capped it off wtih a semi-upbeat scene with the Trio (i think.. i need to watch this again my memory is foggy).

[EricMM 0]

I'm wondering (hoping?) that the DVD's will have some deleted scenes or something.

 

I've said again and again that this movie, for the first time, heavily damaged to story in favor of a timeframe.

 

It's just going to get worse.

[buffybeast 0]

I, as a movie goer, enjoyed the movie. As a fan of the books, I was, once again, dissapointed. I didn't like the fact that they glossed over Harry's time in the Penseive, or the ending or even the events that happened underwater during the tournament. You lose the significance of the book when major events are deleted. why can't they make a part one and two like the Kill Bill movies? The next book, Order of the Phoenix, is a lot longer and more complex than the first four books. How will they incorporate all this into a sub three hour movie.

[EricMM 0]

Would anyone have been satisfied if they had ended "Harry potter: And the Goblet of Fire" part 1, after the dance and the 1st challange?

 

That way we could have had more of the beginning and probably a lot more of the end..?

[Nighthawk 0]

Speaking of that, there's no way they can do that for Order of the Phoenix. This movie was trimmed as low as it can go, and OotP is longer, and has more intricate plot details. It's just not possible.

After that, we're shorter again, so it's ok, but I will be shocked if they squeeze OotP into one movie.

[spiny norman 0]

What if they just made it a really long movie?

 

People watched Lawrence of Arabia and Gone with the Wind.

[Anakin Flair 0]

What if they just made it a really long movie?

 

People watched Lawrence of Arabia and Gone with the Wind.

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Yeah, but those movies were geared more towards the adult audience. First and Foremost, the studio sees the Harry Potter movis as being for kids. And most kids won't sit through four hours. Though, since the later stories are more fro older kids, I don't think they'd have to much trouble making it a 3-4 hour movie.

[Mole 0]

Question:

How come Harry say anything about seeing Lucius Malfoy at the graveyard? I would think that would be a PRETTTY big deal.

[spiny norman 0]

What if they just made it a really long movie?

 

People watched Lawrence of Arabia and Gone with the Wind.

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Yeah, but those movies were geared more towards the adult audience. First and Foremost, the studio sees the Harry Potter movis as being for kids. And most kids won't sit through four hours. Though, since the later stories are more fro older kids, I don't think they'd have to much trouble making it a 3-4 hour movie.

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But, by the same token, who would think kids would read 800 page books? Perhaps we underestimate their attention span. Just stick an Intermission in the middle there - I think they'd still watch.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

If Peter Jackson can condition a younger audience to sit through a 3 1/2 hour movie I've no doubt that Potter fans could do the same.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Question:

How come Harry say anything about seeing Lucius Malfoy at the graveyard? I would think that would be a PRETTTY big deal.

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In the book he did. It was part of the scene they didn't do for the movie that I was so mad about. In the book Cornelius Fudge (The Minister of Magic) shows up and Harry starts naming off Death Eaters who were in the graveyard and he mentions Lucius being there. But Fudge says Harry is crazy and doesn't believe that Voldemort is back. This of course sets up the events of OotP, which is why it should have been in the movie.

[EricMM 0]

It's not that the cuts made this a bad movie, it's just that the cuts will make the sequels much more difficult to understand, if you haven't read the books.

[Mole 0]

Question:

How come Harry say anything about seeing Lucius Malfoy at the graveyard? I would think that would be a PRETTTY big deal.

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In the book he did. It was part of the scene they didn't do for the movie that I was so mad about. In the book Cornelius Fudge (The Minister of Magic) shows up and Harry starts naming off Death Eaters who were in the graveyard and he mentions Lucius being there. But Fudge says Harry is crazy and doesn't believe that Voldemort is back. This of course sets up the events of OotP, which is why it should have been in the movie.

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I never read the books, but that was the only thing about the movie that pissed me off. It was the only reason the movie went from a A to a A- is because of that plot hole.

 

He is a semi-important character. Harry should have said something.

 

What was everyone's reaction when he said that?

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Snape gave Harry a look to tell him to shut up because Snape was about to go back undercover as a Death Eater to get info on Voldemort. But it was for naught as Fudge went off on a rampage about how everyone was insane so Harry never got to list off all the Death Eater names. Snape showed Fudge his Dark Mark on his arm and how it had become black, which meant Voldemort had returned as the Dark Mark Tattoo is how Voldemort calls his Death Eaters to him. Fudge still wouldn't believe it and stormed off in a huff. Dumbledore then set a task to Snape, McGonagall, and Hagrid to prepare for the coming war. But not before Dumbledore made Sirius reveal himself (he was there in dog form comforting Harry. Another thing the movie left out) Dumbledore then made Snape and Sirius shake hands to show that they were now on the same side. It was basically the turning point as everyone set off on their tasks and Fudge started his anti-Dumbledore campaign that plays a huge factor in OotP.

 

The tasks that Dumbledore set were:

Snape was to go undercover as a Death Eater since he used to be one

McGonagall was to gather up the remaining members of the original Order of the Phoenix

Hagrid was to go to the Giants and recruit them before Voldemort did (you don't find this out until OotP)

 

Basically all that was left out of the movie.

[Vyce 0]

Whoa. I read Goblet of Fire a few years back but I don't remember ANY of that stuff. Good think I'm re-reading it now.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Some of the stuff I said was revealed in Order of the Phoenix.

 

The rest is all from the chapter "The Parting of the Ways" in GOF.

[Mole 0]

Ohhh, so that is what OofP means.

 

Basically, it's the army, I am guessing.

 

And Harry is somehow going to lead them in one way or another? Me guesses again.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

They are sort of an army. Basically it's all those willing to do their part in the fight against Voldemort. Whether thats fighting or gathering intel or what have you. Dumbledore is the leader as they feel Harry is still too young, but essentially he will end up being the one who has to lead because of the prophecy (but I don't want to give any more away so I'll stop there)

[Anakin Flair 0]

I would assume all of the stuff they left out of the end of Goblet would be revealed in the beinging of Order. At elast the basics.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

They already have enough to cover from Order of the Phoenix as it is. It's the longest of the books so far.

[Mole 0]

They are sort of an army.  Basically it's all those willing to do their part in the fight against Voldemort.  Whether thats fighting or gathering intel or what have you.  Dumbledore is the leader as they feel Harry is still too young, but essentially he will end up being the one who has to lead because of the prophecy (but I don't want to give any more away so I'll stop there)

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No no, tell me. Please.

[Nighthawk 0]

Snape kills Dumbledore.

[Mole 0]

Snape kills Dumbledore.

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I knew that one.

 

But why?

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

That we probably won't find out until the last book.

 

At the end of Order of the Phoenix Harry is told of a prophecy that states that Harry is the one who has to kill Voldemort because "one cannot live while the other survives" as it states. Basically the prophecy is what started the whole mess because one of Voldemort's followers (Snape, but you don't find out it was him until Half-Blood Prince) overhears the prophecy being made years ago, but he only hears part of it and tells Voldemort. That is what caused Voldemort to hunt down and kill Harry's parents and try to kill Harry. Voldemort wanted to kill the person who was prophecied to kill him before he was even old enough to defend himself. Dumbledore knew about the prophecy, but he waited until he felt Harry was ready to hear it to tell him, which pissed Harry off pretty badly when Dumbledore finally told him. If you go back to the first book/movie Harry asks why Voldemort tried to kill him and Dumbledore says "that will have to wait for another time" that is because Dumbledore didn't think Harry was ready to know.

 

I don't feel like telling the whole story of what happens post-Goblet of Fire because there's so much detail and subplot, but there's an explaination of what I said before.

[EricMM 0]

anyone who feels like this plot would be good to know would be better served going to Barnes and Noble or Amazon, and get AT LEAST the 4th, 5th, and 6th books.

 

It's not just good plot that we have to retell, it's good STORY TELLING.

 

LaParka can't trot out every awsome line from the book......

[Mole 0]

That we probably won't find out until the last book.

 

At the end of Order of the Phoenix Harry is told of a prophecy that states that Harry is the one who has to kill Voldemort because "one cannot live while the other survives" as it states.  Basically the prophecy is what started the whole mess because one of Voldemort's followers (Snape, but you don't find out it was him until Half-Blood Prince) overhears the prophecy being made years ago, but he only hears part of it and tells Voldemort.  That is what caused Voldemort to hunt down and kill Harry's parents and try to kill Harry.  Voldemort wanted to kill the person who was prophecied to kill him before he was even old enough to defend himself.  Dumbledore knew about the prophecy, but he waited until he felt Harry was ready to hear it to tell him, which pissed Harry off pretty badly when Dumbledore finally told him.  If you go back to the first book/movie Harry asks why Voldemort tried to kill him and Dumbledore says "that will have to wait for another time" that is because Dumbledore didn't think Harry was ready to know.

 

I don't feel like telling the whole story of what happens post-Goblet of Fire because there's so much detail and subplot, but there's an explaination of what I said before.

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Sooo, this is almost exactly like what happened in Angel with Connor?

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

No and as much as I like Angel don't start making comparisons. Whedon didn't invent the idea of prophecies.

 

Last time I checked the Angel prophecy had nothing to do with one man having to kill an evil being and the prophecy in Angel was changed by that one guy to trick Angel. That hasn't happened in Harry Potter

[Mole 0]

No and as much as I like Angel don't start making comparisons.  Whedon didn't invent the idea of prophecies.

 

Last time I checked the Angel prophecy had nothing to do with one man having to kill an evil being and the prophecy in Angel was changed by that one guy to trick Angel.  That hasn't happened in Harry Potter

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I was talking about the whole prophecy thing. I know he didn't invent it.