The OAO Charlie and the Chocolate Factory Thread

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Is there any way this movie can be better than the 1971 film Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory?

 

Will it be more faithful to the book?

 

Does anyone even CARE if its more faithful to the book?

 

Will Tim Burton show the imagination he's shown in the past with Nightmare Before Christmas and Edward Scissorhands? Will it be another Planet of the Apes?

 

Will Johnny Depp's performance just creep people out?

[bob_barron 0]

1) Yes, since the original Wonka movie wasn't that great and strayed too far from the book.

 

2) Well they already said Violet gets offed the same way she did in the book, so good enough for me.

 

3) And yes, I care. I mean Wonka shouldn't be fucking singing. Charlie needs a father!

 

This new movie shows us Loompa Land- so I'm sold.

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Wonka added singing, a whole new subplot, changed Charlie's family, the way Violet is offed, and the ending is slightly different.

 

In the book, I don't remember Wonka being cranky at Charlie in the end for some of the stuff he did on the tour, that was totally added in. Much of the dialogue is different as well, although that's to be expected.

 

If this makes money, I hope they don't touch Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator. I love Roald Dahl, but that was an abortion of a book

[Golgo 13 0]

I'm sorry, but speaking purely from a visuals standpoint, Depp's look as Wonka is just awful.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

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Is there any way this movie can be better than the 1971 film Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory?

 

Since that movie is merely a "good" kid's film, absolutely it can. or it could suck.

 

Will it be more faithful to the book?

So I've heard.

 

Does anyone even CARE if its more faithful to the book?

I do.

 

And there are significant differences between the book, I'd say the most significant of which was the entire Slugworth testing the kids' loyalty subplot, which didn't exist, and the overall darker creepier tone. Wilder's Wonka was a supremely likeable guy who goes around singing, the scene where he starts singing in the "candyland" segment was about as far from the book's Wonka as you can get. I remember reading the book as a kid and actually having a sense of dark foreboding when they go into the factory.

There are lots of smaller things which escape me at the moment.

[bob_barron 0]

Book Wonka= A dick who won't eat cereal.

Movie Wonka= A nice happy who gets snippy at the end for no reason

[nl5xsk1 0]

Partially a threadjack ... but Veruca Salt was the first girl that I remember digging when I was a little kid. Something about her was such a turn-on to a preteen nl5.

[SuperJerk 0]

Book Wonka= A dick who won't eat cereal.

Movie Wonka= A nice happy who gets snippy at the end for no reason

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He didn't get snippy for no reason! Charlie broke the rules!

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

1) Will people please stop comparing the two? They're entirely different... it is like comparing the TV version of Dead Zone to the 1983 movie adaption (starring Walken, I might add) of King's book. Okay, maybe the parallel is a bit extreme, but the point is that the two versions should stand on their own merits, good and bad. The 1971 movie with Wilder is one, and this 2005 is another.

 

2) Definetly, from what I have seen and heard in all the movie clips, interviews, and trailers.

 

4) From what I've seens...yes.

 

5) If they're close-minded and moronic, then yes. I keep reading and hearing Michael Jackson comparisons and I'm just all 'Wait, what?'. The illogicalities of that comparison are astounding.

 

I enjoy hearing the creative process of Depp's (which, from all the CatCF previews/interviews I've downloaded, remain the same). Basically, he based the role on 'game show hosts put in a box and locked away somewhere' and how they're so outwardly polite and nice... yet underneath one knows there's something going on. The pasty-whiteness makes sense, as well. He's been in the factory for, what, fifteen years? Its doubtful he sees the sun, or even wants to see it.

 

Also... brilliant casting of Freddie Highmore; he was amazing in 'Finding Neverland' and he sure as hell will be astounding here. Already he seems to have more acting ability and sincerity in those few teaser clips than Peter Ostrum did in the entire 1971 movie. Not to mention the former movie's version of Charlie seemed far too...healthy. An interesting aspect of the Burton's vision is how Charlie's clothes don't quite fit.

[bob_barron 0]

He didn't get snippy for no reason! Charlie broke the rules!

 

Yea but it came out of nowhere and was out of character for him.

 

I hope they include the part where someone designed something to tell if a candy bar had a golden ticket but it went after everything that was gold and had to be destroyed.

 

Fuck, I love that book.

 

My only complaint about Depp, is that Wonka should look much older and shorter. In the book, he was a very small man.

 

I wonder if they will mention the grandparents didn't get out of bed for 20 years.

[SuperJerk 0]

He didn't get snippy for no reason! Charlie broke the rules!

 

Yea but it came out of nowhere and was out of character for him.

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But he wasn't really mad at him, though. He still planned on turning the factory over to Charlie, but he was testing the kid to see how bad he really wanted it.

[Exslade ZX 0]

I didn't even know there was a book.

 

And this movie looks totally gay. I don't know if it will be bad or not, but, it literally looks 'gay'.

[bob_barron 0]

You didn't know it was a book????? Wow.

 

Didn't Grandpa Joe come in and straighten Wonka out or something, either way it was a needless swerve that killed some of the movie. There's a reason it's not in the book.

 

I hope we get to see the kids as they leave the factory, another great part of the book. I tried to find the book today, but couldn't. I did see Matilda though- they sure fucked that one up.

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

How'd they screw Matilda up? Not intending the question to sound defensive (not a fan of the movie, really) but I am curious of your perspective.

[bob_barron 0]

I just remember watching it and noticing a lot had changed from the book.

 

It was just too over the top, and I don't think they made Matilda as badass it could've been.

 

I'd love to see them try and make Going Solo into a movie. It's my favourite book ever and it's about Dahl's experiences in World War II. That would be awesome if they could get it right.

[Jericholic82 0]

The problem to me is I dont remember the book, The teacher read it to us in like 5th grade and I read it later on, but that was like 13 years ago. and I havent read it sicne, but have seen the orginal movie, which I like, despite all the singing.

[Youth N Asia 0]

I really like the original. Cool movie, more adult than I thought it would be. The new one looks like a complete turd.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

I hope they include the part where someone designed something to tell if a candy bar had a golden ticket but it went after everything that was gold and had to be destroyed.

 

bahahaha! i forgot about that. i need to track down teh book again too.

[SuperJerk 0]

Didn't Grandpa Joe come in and straighten Wonka out or something, either way it was a needless swerve that killed some of the movie. There's a reason it's not in the book.

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Its not like the people who wrote the script for the movie got the idea from some extra pages Roald Dahl wrote but didn't use.

 

The reason it wasn't in the book was because the guy who wrote the book didn't think of it.

[bob_barron 0]

I know, but it was a stupid plot twist.

[DMann2003 0]

Sorry Bob, I'm gonna have to take some strong disagreement with some of your points.

 

I've read the book and seen the 71 film countless times and I love both, you seem hung up on the necessity of the film following the book slavishly.

 

Well as far as the ending goes, I never liked the fact that the book ends with Wonka going "oh Charlie, you're the last one left, why you WIN my factory". It just made Charlie lucky by outlasting the other kids greed. The film expands on this by showing Charlie as a good soul, and the reason Wonka loses it is because he was counting on Charlie to be the one, and at that moment he thought he was wrong about Charlie and was mad, "so shines a good deed in a weary world".

 

Veruca's demise was probably changed to the geese because the logistics on a 1000 squirrils would be too difficult in 1971 (plus it was a low budgeted film)

 

And how can you find no joy in songs like "Candyman", "I've Got a Golden Ticket", "Pure Imagination" and "I Want It Now". And I don't know how good Burton's film will be, but nothing's gonna top Roy Kinnear's exasperated performance as Mr. Salt.

 

And if you're hung up on changes and needless additions to the book, here's one in Burton's film *POSSIBLE SPOILER*...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...they gave Wonka a backstory of having an obsessed dentist for a father, now where the hell is that in the book?...

[bob_barron 0]

Well as far as the ending goes, I never liked the fact that the book ends with Wonka going "oh Charlie, you're the last one left, why you WIN my factory". It just made Charlie lucky by outlasting the other kids greed. The film expands on this by showing Charlie as a good soul, and the reason Wonka loses it is because he was counting on Charlie to be the one, and at that moment he thought he was wrong about Charlie and was mad, "so shines a good deed in a weary world".

 

Charlie wasn't lucky though. I mean he was the only one who was greatful for the whole thing (notice in the book, all the kids constantly complain the whole time) because of his impoverished background. I mean Wonka shouldn't have had any doubt about Charlie considering all the crap he put up from the other kids, and how he didn't put up with any from Charlie.

 

Veruca's demise was probably changed to the geese because the logistics on a 1000 squirrils would be too difficult in 1971 (plus it was a low budgeted film)

 

Squirrels>geese. I think this is in the movie, but I love Wonka's nonchalantness about the burning of the trash and how Veruca could be burned. I mean, awesome.

 

And how can you find no joy in songs like "Candyman", "I've Got a Golden Ticket", "Pure Imagination" and "I Want It Now". And I don't know how good Burton's film will be, but nothing's gonna top Roy Kinnear's exasperated performance as Mr. Salt.

 

They just seemed corny and tacked on to me. I mean, Willy Wonka doesn't sing!

 

Expanding on Wonka's background does stupid and like a waste of time. I mean why can't we just accept Wonka for Wonka?

[SuperJerk 0]

Squirrels>geese.

 

I can't argue with that.

[DMann2003 0]

And how can you find no joy in songs like "Candyman", "I've Got a Golden Ticket", "Pure Imagination" and "I Want It Now". And I don't know how good Burton's film will be, but nothing's gonna top Roy Kinnear's exasperated performance as Mr. Salt

 

They just seemed corny and tacked on to me. I mean, Willy Wonka doesn't sing!

 

 

Why couldn't he sing. He's a merry little prankster, he's always jumping about in the book pictures, skipping about.

 

Come with me, and you'll be in a world of Pure Imagination

Take a look and you'll see into your imagination

We'll begin, with a spin travelling in the world of my creation

What you see will defy...expectation

If you want to view paradise, simply look around and view it

Anything you want to, do it, Want to change the world, there's nothing to it

 

You're heartless man if you don't like that a little

[Aero 0]

I've never read the book, so would anyone mind saying how each kid got knocked off in it? I read in here that Veruca and Violet's were different than the movie, so I'm just curious.

 

As for Depp as Wonka, he definitely doesn't look right to me. He looks too young, but I'm used to Wilder's older version. I'm sure he'll probably have a good performance as usual, though. I've heard the idea of having Christopher Walken as Wonka a few times, also. I don't know if he'd be perfect, but I'd like to see him over Depp.

[SuperJerk 0]

Depp as Wonka reminds me of Michael Jackson for some reason.

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

Bob, my dear, the squirrels are indeed in the movie. You can see two previews of them here (along with nine other movie clips). I giggle with glee when the squirrels all tackle Veruca for the simple fact that it is too evil for a kids' movie. Also 'don't touch that squirrel's nuts' is horribly lame and bad, but... Depp saying it makes it seem so damn innocent.

 

Giant ring of keys > Veruca.

 

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I WANT A SQUIRREL DADDY!

 

Fuck Veruca Salt is awesome

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

"Oh, they're not for sale. She can't have one." Ah, I so love that... her glare afterwards. Brillaint.

 

Also. I want toffee hair.

[bob_barron 0]

Charlie got a positive review at ReelViews who said fans of the book should love it.

 

And....

 

CHARLIE HAS A DAD IN THE MOVIE!!!!