CanadianGuitarist 0 Report post Posted July 21, 2005 1) Who's the best of all time? Is it still Jack? Where is Tiger on that list? 2) Who had the bigger impact on society? Tiger or Jordan? 1-Jack and 2-Tiger IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted July 21, 2005 Tiger.... greater... Jordan? WTF? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted July 21, 2005 Jack is still the best of all time, but Tiger is catching up to him fast. And the answer is neither, because neither one really has voiced any opinions on important societal issues, even though I understand why. If you;re talking about impact on their particular sports, I would have to say Tiger. The NBA was already great when Jordan came along, and he took that popularity to another level sure, but we have been seeing the negative impact on the league for years, with a bunch on guys wanting to be just like Mike and not learning the fundamentals of the game and going for the highlights instead. Tiger came into a sports and not only dominated it for a number of years, but also gave its prominent members a SERIOUS wakeup call, while taking the popularity of the sport to at least two levels higher than it was. Advantage: Tiger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted July 21, 2005 Jack is still greater, due to longevity. The key question to ask is, if Tiger's career ended today, would it be better than Jack's career? Right now, the answer is a clear no. As for the other question, Tiger's impact is clearly greater, with the Tiger Woods Foundation and his impact on junior golf, especially in inner cities and among minorities. Jordan has never done anything like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted July 21, 2005 It's been over 8 years since Tiger won the Masters, and the PGA has yet to have a black golfer play on it's tour. Pete O'Neill, I believe was on the Futures a few years back, but I don't know what happened to him. Jack was the best player. While also being a businessman, a course designer, and a husband and father. If Tiger can have the success Jack had while juggling other aspects of life, than he'll be the best. Right know the best golfer is still Jack. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianGuitarist 0 Report post Posted July 21, 2005 Tiger.... greater... Jordan? WTF? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm factoring in that anyone in North American can identify Tiger Woods and has some idea of his accomplishments. Also, except for the Olympics, MJ pretty well stuck to North America. Tiger has won tournaments on 4 continents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted July 21, 2005 Calvin Peete was on the PGA Tour long before Tiger was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted July 21, 2005 Jack is still greater, due to longevity. The key question to ask is, if Tiger's career ended today, would it be better than Jack's career? Right now, the answer is a clear no. As for the other question, Tiger's impact is clearly greater, with the Tiger Woods Foundation and his impact on junior golf, especially in inner cities and among minorities. Jordan has never done anything like that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What the hell? Jordan has a foundation of his own and he has charities up the wazoo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted July 21, 2005 Not to mention the name value he had, and continues to have past his playing days. Anyone seen what a pair of Jordan's are worth nowadays. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danville_Wrestling 0 Report post Posted July 21, 2005 I think Greg Norman could've been one of the all-time great golfers, but is often overlooked b/c he had a lot of major championships stolen from him. I mean when you look @ the statistics this guy could've won the following tournaments in addition to his 1986 & 1993 British Open triumphs: 1986 Masters, 1986 US Open, 1986 PGA, 1987 Masters, 1989 British Open, 1993 PGA Championship, 1995 US Open, 1996 Masters, and the list continues to go on. Greg was a great player for the game that spanned different continents and revolutionized golf with coming up with the idea for the World Golf Championships we see today. However, for the sake of the post I think Nickalus is still the best NOT ONLY because of his 18 majors, but because he finished runner-up in majors an unbelievable amount of times (over thirty maybe?). That is a crazy number and while Tiger has 10 right now he's only finished runner-up in a major twice (2002 PGA and 2005 US Open). Thus, right now consistency goes to Jack. I think Tiger made a bigger impact than Jordan. A lot of kids I grew up with started playing golf because of Tiger, but kids were already enthralled w/basketball before Jordan came around. Both guys were big for their sport, but Tiger has made a bigger impact in TV ratings & involvement for kids in golf than Jordan I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2005 Norman didn't have anything stolen from him. He choked under the pressure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianGuitarist 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2005 Norman didn't have anything stolen from him. He choked under the pressure. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Bullshit. Mize's monster chip-in in 87? Jack finishing four under on his last four in 86? Tway from the bunker in 86? Azinger doing the same in 93? What were you saying? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caboose 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2005 I think Greg Norman could've been one of the all-time great golfers, but is often overlooked b/c he had a lot of major championships stolen from him. I mean when you look @ the statistics this guy could've won the following tournaments in addition to his 1986 & 1993 British Open triumphs: 1986 Masters, 1986 US Open, 1986 PGA, 1987 Masters, 1989 British Open, 1993 PGA Championship, 1995 US Open, 1996 Masters, and the list continues to go on. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thats an awful lot of majors to have "stolen". I think a more accurate statement is... Greg Norman could've been one of the all-time great golfers but is rightly overlooked b/c he lacked the the required temperament to get the job done most of the time. And thats putting it lightly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianGuitarist 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2005 I think Greg Norman could've been one of the all-time great golfers, but is often overlooked b/c he had a lot of major championships stolen from him. I mean when you look @ the statistics this guy could've won the following tournaments in addition to his 1986 & 1993 British Open triumphs: 1986 Masters, 1986 US Open, 1986 PGA, 1987 Masters, 1989 British Open, 1993 PGA Championship, 1995 US Open, 1996 Masters, and the list continues to go on. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thats an awful lot of majors to have "stolen". I think a more accurate statement is... Greg Norman could've been one of the all-time great golfers but is rightly overlooked b/c he lacked the the required temperament to get the job done most of the time. And thats putting it lightly. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The only choke job(and THAT'S putting it lightly, in your defence) was the 96 Masters. So I'd say we both have fair claims. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danville_Wrestling 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2005 Yea, I'll admit the 1996 Masters was a choke, but when you start looking at what this guy could've done it's unbelievable. Hell, in 1986 HE HELD THE LEAD IN ALL FOUR MAJORS HEADING INTO SUNDAY, something no other golfer has ever done, not even Tiger. I messed up a bit with the wording saying "stolen." The 1986 & '87 Masters, '86 PGA & '93 PGA were definitely stolen by unbelievable shots. Plus, didn't he lose by a stroke in New Orleans one year when David Frost knocked in a damn eagle from 90 yards with a sand wedge or something? Losing like that can mess up any guys mental picture, which I think contributed to Norman's demise in future tournaments. I'm not saying Norman is the GREATEST of all-time by any means, just saying that he could've been if all those majors had gone his way. Also, Norman still has a huge following of fans and I for one still pray that he can somehow get his ass back to Augusta and win (even though that'd be like a 1 in 1 billion chance now with his age, injuries, not being exempt into the tourney anymore, etc). However, if you think Phil Mickelson's reception was something last year by winning @ Augusta that'd be nothing like Norman finally managing to get a green jacket. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2005 I hate everything associated with the sport of golf, so I'm just going to say Michael Jordan wins, even though I didn't really look at the question and don't care to anyway. EDIT: Okay I did look. How has Tiger Woods had any impact on society? Because he proved that rich entitled black kids can be successful golfers too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianGuitarist 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2005 I hate everything associated with the sport of golf, so I'm just going to say Michael Jordan wins, even though I didn't really look at the question and don't care to anyway. EDIT: Okay I did look. How has Tiger Woods had any impact on society? Because he proved that rich entitled black kids can be successful golfers too? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How many commericals has Tiger been in? How many guest TV appearances has he made? How many newspaper and magazine covers has he been on? How many more people have taken up golf since Tiger became a house hold name? Rich entitled black kids? Go to any course on a Saturday and watch how many drunks are playing, or how many guys in t shirt and jeans? I'm not a white collar snob by any means, but Tiger's candour has taken the starch out of the proverbial stuffed shirt of golf from previous generations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianGuitarist 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2005 I hate everything associated with the sport of golf, so I'm just going to say Michael Jordan wins, even though I didn't really look at the question and don't care to anyway. EDIT: Okay I did look. How has Tiger Woods had any impact on society? Because he proved that rich entitled black kids can be successful golfers too? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How many commericals has Tiger been in? How many guest TV appearances has he made? How many newspaper and magazine covers has he been on? How many more people have taken up golf since Tiger became a house hold name? Rich entitled black kids? Go to any course on a Saturday and watch how many drunks are playing, or how many guys in t shirt and jeans? I'm not a white collar snob by any means, but Tiger's candour has taken the starch out of the proverbial stuffed shirt of golf from previous generations. The casual golf fan who tunes in when it's a major or Tiger's playing? That didn't exist 15 years ago. Every one in North American now knows who Tiger Woods is, and even a lot who are ignorant to golf also know who Singh or Els or Duval or Mickelson are. How many knew who Barkely or Ewing or Pippen were during Jordan's era? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2005 I hate everything associated with the sport of golf, so I'm just going to say Michael Jordan wins, even though I didn't really look at the question and don't care to anyway. EDIT: Okay I did look. How has Tiger Woods had any impact on society? Because he proved that rich entitled black kids can be successful golfers too? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How many commericals has Tiger been in? How many guest TV appearances has he made? How many newspaper and magazine covers has he been on? How many more people have taken up golf since Tiger became a house hold name? Rich entitled black kids? Go to any course on a Saturday and watch how many drunks are playing, or how many guys in t shirt and jeans? I'm not a white collar snob by any means, but Tiger's candour has taken the starch out of the proverbial stuffed shirt of golf from previous generations. The casual golf fan who tunes in when it's a major or Tiger's playing? That didn't exist 15 years ago. Every one in North American now knows who Tiger Woods is, and even a lot who are ignorant to golf also know who Singh or Els or Duval or Mickelson are. How many knew who Barkely or Ewing or Pippen were during Jordan's era? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Umm you're kidding, right? I know you like golf and all and I respect that, but I'm fairly certain a lot more people know who Charles Barkley and Scottie Pippen are moreso than Singh or Duval or Els. Mickelson maybe... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianGuitarist 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2005 I hate everything associated with the sport of golf, so I'm just going to say Michael Jordan wins, even though I didn't really look at the question and don't care to anyway. EDIT: Okay I did look. How has Tiger Woods had any impact on society? Because he proved that rich entitled black kids can be successful golfers too? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How many commericals has Tiger been in? How many guest TV appearances has he made? How many newspaper and magazine covers has he been on? How many more people have taken up golf since Tiger became a house hold name? Rich entitled black kids? Go to any course on a Saturday and watch how many drunks are playing, or how many guys in t shirt and jeans? I'm not a white collar snob by any means, but Tiger's candour has taken the starch out of the proverbial stuffed shirt of golf from previous generations. The casual golf fan who tunes in when it's a major or Tiger's playing? That didn't exist 15 years ago. Every one in North American now knows who Tiger Woods is, and even a lot who are ignorant to golf also know who Singh or Els or Duval or Mickelson are. How many knew who Barkely or Ewing or Pippen were during Jordan's era? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Umm you're kidding, right? I know you like golf and all and I respect that, but I'm fairly certain a lot more people know who Charles Barkley and Scottie Pippen are moreso than Singh or Duval or Els. Mickelson maybe... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, I suppose, and I didn't mention Magic or Bird. But I think the previous 3 paragraphs supercede it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2005 Those points I agreed with. Which is why I didn't address them. Tiger was very good for golf, but on a grander scale, I think Michael Jordan takes it because he made basketball the cool thing to play/watch throughout the world. Tiger still has time to overtake him though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2005 Drunk guys have been golfing long before Tiger Woods hit the scene. Drunk guys and golf are inextricably tied. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2005 I think you may have golf confused with another drunk sport which includes a ball. Bowling. But who doesn't like bowling? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2005 I don't. I'm left-handed when I'm not writing and for some reason I feel I am at a disadvantage. Is there a name for people like me, these lefties-but-righties-for-writing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2005 Yeah I don't really see drunk golfers, drunk bowlers on the other hand are dime a dozen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2005 My friend works at a country club selling alcohol to golfers. She's always being proposed to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
